Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
Stefan Husmann schrieb: Thorsten Töpper schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 Hello, I've been playing for a while with the thought to apply as a Trusted User, but I never really had the courage to do so, well now I try it. About my person: I'm a 1990 born student from the south of Germany, I study Computer Science(first semester) and use Arch as my main system now since two years and 4 days. I'm mainly active in the german part of the community as the international forums and IRC are too lively for me to actively participate a lot, so I mostly only read the topics, but don't post in the threads. However I read nearly every mail at the mailing lists (except for the ones concerning problems of Users with software I haven't used in years e.g. KDE), but as my opinion was often already stated I don't feel that I have to repeat what's already been said, so I mail rarely to the lists too. About my skills: I'm programming in C since a few years, though I mostly review code in order to learn more, I'm also capable of the basics with python 2.5, several BASIC dialects, C++, Objective C, Java and of course shell scripting. Whereas the focus for the next years lies upon C and Java as they're both needed by my study. About my packages: I maintain 10 packages in AUR[1], whereby I also participate in the development of the i3 window manager to whom's project family 6 of these packages belong(3 projects, each as stable and git package), the other four are the git package of the newsbeuter feedreader and the cococpp package which is a build dependency for the previously named, structorizer which is a Java program to design structograms (or Nassi- Schneiderman diagrams) and a mecurial package for objfw which is a portable framework for the Objective C language, not one of them was adopted. If you want to see their history, I also keep them in a git repository at github.com[2]. About my Application: I asked Stefan Husmann if he would like to sponsor me and he agreed to do so. I have two Arch systems, my laptop running an i686 installation and my desktop machine running a x86_64 installation, both run without the testing repository. As I have to use Java and corresponding util- ities for my study I'd take care of orphanages of the Java development segment, but also orphans in the topics I'm mainly interested in(window managers, development and networks). And as I check my mail whenever it's possible I'd also help with the request of users regarding the administration of the AUR. If you want to search for me, my nick at Arch related sites is Atsutane. Regards Thorsten [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mK=Atsutane [2] http://github.com/Atsutane/packages - -- Jabber: atsut...@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAksIGCkACgkQOeTxfyla+/QIXgDgq6vF0HVT5ab9E2eMNjcRvxzw MLDlK0b2ILDHugDeLTJMdLx609Qhnh5Z87jPEDohZiLX0i4Cd/0HZQ== =uTIK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hello TUs, the discussion period for Thorstens application is over, let us start the 7-day voting period now. Good luck, Thorsten! Best Regards Stefan Hello, only two days are left in the voting period. and not all TUs have voted. Please vote and try to reach a quorum. Thanks and regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
Thorsten Töpper schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 Hello, I've been playing for a while with the thought to apply as a Trusted User, but I never really had the courage to do so, well now I try it. About my person: I'm a 1990 born student from the south of Germany, I study Computer Science(first semester) and use Arch as my main system now since two years and 4 days. I'm mainly active in the german part of the community as the international forums and IRC are too lively for me to actively participate a lot, so I mostly only read the topics, but don't post in the threads. However I read nearly every mail at the mailing lists (except for the ones concerning problems of Users with software I haven't used in years e.g. KDE), but as my opinion was often already stated I don't feel that I have to repeat what's already been said, so I mail rarely to the lists too. About my skills: I'm programming in C since a few years, though I mostly review code in order to learn more, I'm also capable of the basics with python 2.5, several BASIC dialects, C++, Objective C, Java and of course shell scripting. Whereas the focus for the next years lies upon C and Java as they're both needed by my study. About my packages: I maintain 10 packages in AUR[1], whereby I also participate in the development of the i3 window manager to whom's project family 6 of these packages belong(3 projects, each as stable and git package), the other four are the git package of the newsbeuter feedreader and the cococpp package which is a build dependency for the previously named, structorizer which is a Java program to design structograms (or Nassi- Schneiderman diagrams) and a mecurial package for objfw which is a portable framework for the Objective C language, not one of them was adopted. If you want to see their history, I also keep them in a git repository at github.com[2]. About my Application: I asked Stefan Husmann if he would like to sponsor me and he agreed to do so. I have two Arch systems, my laptop running an i686 installation and my desktop machine running a x86_64 installation, both run without the testing repository. As I have to use Java and corresponding util- ities for my study I'd take care of orphanages of the Java development segment, but also orphans in the topics I'm mainly interested in(window managers, development and networks). And as I check my mail whenever it's possible I'd also help with the request of users regarding the administration of the AUR. If you want to search for me, my nick at Arch related sites is Atsutane. Regards Thorsten [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mK=Atsutane [2] http://github.com/Atsutane/packages - -- Jabber: atsut...@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAksIGCkACgkQOeTxfyla+/QIXgDgq6vF0HVT5ab9E2eMNjcRvxzw MLDlK0b2ILDHugDeLTJMdLx609Qhnh5Z87jPEDohZiLX0i4Cd/0HZQ== =uTIK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hello TUs, the discussion period for Thorstens application is over, let us start the 7-day voting period now. Good luck, Thorsten! Best Regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 Hello, I just uploaded a new version of every of my PKGBUILDs, now only the Maintainer flag is set and I reverted the change to the license array in the MIT/BSD licensed PKGBUILDs, so that they're now again listed without the custom: in front of the license. As none of my packages requires a fakeroot for build and the discussion showed that the usage of both methods has some bonuses, I will use them as long as no problem with that occurs or is being reported to me. Regards Thorsten - -- Jabber: atsut...@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAksMR+sACgkQOeTxfyla+/R2CwDg2RcLQdJMBHcXXTixTkrC0Fvj grr2KjAVJ9iwcADgqWuueO2aw/CBZcMhSEyNhHNtbNOk+nIb2/khJg== =uJlj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 Hello, I've been playing for a while with the thought to apply as a Trusted User, but I never really had the courage to do so, well now I try it. About my person: I'm a 1990 born student from the south of Germany, I study Computer Science(first semester) and use Arch as my main system now since two years and 4 days. I'm mainly active in the german part of the community as the international forums and IRC are too lively for me to actively participate a lot, so I mostly only read the topics, but don't post in the threads. However I read nearly every mail at the mailing lists (except for the ones concerning problems of Users with software I haven't used in years e.g. KDE), but as my opinion was often already stated I don't feel that I have to repeat what's already been said, so I mail rarely to the lists too. About my skills: I'm programming in C since a few years, though I mostly review code in order to learn more, I'm also capable of the basics with python 2.5, several BASIC dialects, C++, Objective C, Java and of course shell scripting. Whereas the focus for the next years lies upon C and Java as they're both needed by my study. About my packages: I maintain 10 packages in AUR[1], whereby I also participate in the development of the i3 window manager to whom's project family 6 of these packages belong(3 projects, each as stable and git package), the other four are the git package of the newsbeuter feedreader and the cococpp package which is a build dependency for the previously named, structorizer which is a Java program to design structograms (or Nassi- Schneiderman diagrams) and a mecurial package for objfw which is a portable framework for the Objective C language, not one of them was adopted. If you want to see their history, I also keep them in a git repository at github.com[2]. About my Application: I asked Stefan Husmann if he would like to sponsor me and he agreed to do so. I have two Arch systems, my laptop running an i686 installation and my desktop machine running a x86_64 installation, both run without the testing repository. As I have to use Java and corresponding util- ities for my study I'd take care of orphanages of the Java development segment, but also orphans in the topics I'm mainly interested in(window managers, development and networks). And as I check my mail whenever it's possible I'd also help with the request of users regarding the administration of the AUR. If you want to search for me, my nick at Arch related sites is Atsutane. Regards Thorsten [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mK=Atsutane [2] http://github.com/Atsutane/packages - -- Jabber: atsut...@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAksIGCkACgkQOeTxfyla+/QIXgDgq6vF0HVT5ab9E2eMNjcRvxzw MLDlK0b2ILDHugDeLTJMdLx609Qhnh5Z87jPEDohZiLX0i4Cd/0HZQ== =uTIK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
Thorsten Töpper schrieb: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 Hello, I've been playing for a while with the thought to apply as a Trusted User, but I never really had the courage to do so, well now I try it. About my person: I'm a 1990 born student from the south of Germany, I study Computer Science(first semester) and use Arch as my main system now since two years and 4 days. I'm mainly active in the german part of the community as the international forums and IRC are too lively for me to actively participate a lot, so I mostly only read the topics, but don't post in the threads. However I read nearly every mail at the mailing lists (except for the ones concerning problems of Users with software I haven't used in years e.g. KDE), but as my opinion was often already stated I don't feel that I have to repeat what's already been said, so I mail rarely to the lists too. About my skills: I'm programming in C since a few years, though I mostly review code in order to learn more, I'm also capable of the basics with python 2.5, several BASIC dialects, C++, Objective C, Java and of course shell scripting. Whereas the focus for the next years lies upon C and Java as they're both needed by my study. About my packages: I maintain 10 packages in AUR[1], whereby I also participate in the development of the i3 window manager to whom's project family 6 of these packages belong(3 projects, each as stable and git package), the other four are the git package of the newsbeuter feedreader and the cococpp package which is a build dependency for the previously named, structorizer which is a Java program to design structograms (or Nassi- Schneiderman diagrams) and a mecurial package for objfw which is a portable framework for the Objective C language, not one of them was adopted. If you want to see their history, I also keep them in a git repository at github.com[2]. About my Application: I asked Stefan Husmann if he would like to sponsor me and he agreed to do so. I have two Arch systems, my laptop running an i686 installation and my desktop machine running a x86_64 installation, both run without the testing repository. As I have to use Java and corresponding util- ities for my study I'd take care of orphanages of the Java development segment, but also orphans in the topics I'm mainly interested in(window managers, development and networks). And as I check my mail whenever it's possible I'd also help with the request of users regarding the administration of the AUR. If you want to search for me, my nick at Arch related sites is Atsutane. Regards Thorsten [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?SeB=mK=Atsutane [2] http://github.com/Atsutane/packages - -- Jabber: atsut...@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iFYEARELAAYFAksIGCkACgkQOeTxfyla+/QIXgDgq6vF0HVT5ab9E2eMNjcRvxzw MLDlK0b2ILDHugDeLTJMdLx609Qhnh5Z87jPEDohZiLX0i4Cd/0HZQ== =uTIK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hello, as Thorsten already said, I want want to sponsor his application as a TU. He is very wellknown in german forums I believe he is a responsible person and will be a good addition to our team. So let us start the five days deiscussion period. Regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
On 21/11/2009, Thorsten Töpper atsut...@freethoughts.de wrote: About my packages: I maintain 10 packages in AUR[1], whereby I also participate in the development of the i3 window manager to whom's project family 6 of these packages belong(3 projects, each as stable and git package), the other four are the git package of the newsbeuter feedreader and the cococpp package which is a build dependency for the previously named, structorizer which is a Java program to design structograms (or Nassi- Schneiderman diagrams) and a mecurial package for objfw which is a portable framework for the Objective C language, not one of them was adopted. If you want to see their history, I also keep them in a git repository at github.com[2]. Hi Thorsten, you don't need to include LICENSE file for packages that use GPL or common licenses (e.g. cococp), and you can omit 'custom:' when a package is licensed under BSD or MIT. Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Also, you don't need to put Contributor/Maintainer tag twice (e.g. objfw-hg) and you can omit empty arrays from PKGBUILD (e.g. newsbeuter-git). Ah, another little thing: don't include $pkgname in description (e.g. structorizer). Regards -- Andrea `bash` Scarpino Arch Linux Developer
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
Andrea Scarpino wrote: Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Hello :) Using both build() and package() is not necessary condition for use only with splitted packages, its avoid to use the fakeroot on building process that is not needed in 99% of packages. Good luck! -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:24:58 -0300 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Andrea Scarpino wrote: Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Hello :) Using both build() and package() is not necessary condition for use only with splitted packages, its avoid to use the fakeroot on building process that is not needed in 99% of packages. Good luck! Sorry, but I consider the use of fakeroot a good thing, it helps to reveal errors while packaging/creating the PKGBUILD at least. Don't know why it should be avoided.
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
Andrea Scarpino wrote (omissions by me) you don't need to include LICENSE file for packages that use GPL or common licenses (e.g. cococp), and you can omit 'custom:' when a package is licensed under BSD or MIT. It was my advise to include custom for BSD and MIT licenses, so if this is an error, it is mine. But I think having a custom in the license array makes it more clear where to look for the license file. Regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
On 21/11/2009, Stefan Husmann stefan-husm...@t-online.de wrote:
It was my advise to include custom for BSD and MIT licenses, so if this is
an error,
it is mine.
But I think having a custom in the license array makes it more clear where
to look
for the license file.
from[1]:
The BSD, MIT, zlib/png and Python licenses are special cases and
could not be included in the licenses package. For the sake of the
license array, it is treated as a common license (license=('BSD'),
license=('MIT'), license=('ZLIB') and license=('Python')) but
technically each one is a custom license because each one has its own
copyright line. Any packages licensed under these four should have its
own unique license stored in /usr/share/licenses/pkgname. Some
packages may not be covered by a single license. In these cases,
multiple entries may be made in the license array, e.g. license=('GPL'
'custom:name of license').
[1] - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Building_Packages_in_Arch_Linux
--
Andrea `bash` Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
hollun...@gmx.at schrieb: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:24:58 -0300 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Andrea Scarpino wrote: Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Hello :) Using both build() and package() is not necessary condition for use only with splitted packages, its avoid to use the fakeroot on building process that is not needed in 99% of packages. Good luck! Sorry, but I consider the use of fakeroot a good thing, it helps to reveal errors while packaging/creating the PKGBUILD at least. Don't know why it should be avoided. The build process normally does not need root permissions at all. So it is save to build als normal user and nessasary to install as faked root. Regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:09:27 +0100 Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org wrote: Hi Thorsten, you don't need to include LICENSE file for packages that use GPL or common licenses (e.g. cococp), and you can omit 'custom:' when a package is licensed under BSD or MIT. Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Also, you don't need to put Contributor/Maintainer tag twice (e.g. objfw-hg) and you can omit empty arrays from PKGBUILD (e.g. newsbeuter-git). Ah, another little thing: don't include $pkgname in description (e.g. structorizer). Regards Hello Andrea, when I packaged cococpp I stumbled upon this paragraph in the text: As an exception, it is allowed to write an extension of Coco/R that is used as a plugin in non-free software. which I had not read in another GPL license file I read so far, so I decided to include it to the package in order to avoid any legal problems. As namcap always throwed a unnecessary warning if only the Maintainer tag was set, I decided to simply set both because I thought it wouldn't disturb anyone and I had a warning less when I was proving my packages. As Stefan already said, he told me to set a custom in front of the license I will change that when it is clarified how it should be. I'll upload a new structorizer package with a fixed description in the next few minutes. For the usage of both methods(build and package), I thought it's much nicer to read for people who are new to Arch and read their first PKGBUILDs and as the packages didn't need fakeroot to build I used it. Regards - -- Jabber: atsut...@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iFUEARELAAYFAksIKKUACgkQOeTxfyla+/SfOgDYh+41Vi97OFPPTO5VnxtVvpyl A9psMOmq66wUAN4+2Aew9cW0c1foq6eWcbWo6BaJCrLtBrEcuUXi =JkFe -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: Sorry, but I consider the use of fakeroot a good thing, it helps to reveal errors while packaging/creating the PKGBUILD at least. Don't know why it should be avoided. Sorry, but you are wrong. Since when using fakeroot when not needed is a good thing ? How can it reveal errors ? Care to elaborate ? We are all very curious :)
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:13:17 +0100 Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: Sorry, but I consider the use of fakeroot a good thing, it helps to reveal errors while packaging/creating the PKGBUILD at least. Don't know why it should be avoided. Sorry, but you are wrong. Since when using fakeroot when not needed is a good thing ? How can it reveal errors ? Care to elaborate ? We are all very curious :) You know about DESTDIR and all that? Some apps don't support it, some semm to support it and don't really. In those cases you get notified, can patch makefiles or work around it some other way. I had a number of these cases in my 50+ PKGBUILDs. Might be that building as user would reveal these as well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about all possible consequences and everything that could go wrong, but I doubt that a small compile speed gain, according to another mail, is worth it.
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
2009/11/22 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar: Andrea Scarpino wrote: Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Hello :) Using both build() and package() is not necessary condition for use only with splitted packages, its avoid to use the fakeroot on building process that is not needed in 99% of packages. It's also good to be able to use the -R flag to makepkg which you can't do without the separate functions :)
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
On Sun 22 Nov 2009 07:34 +1100, Phillip Smith wrote: 2009/11/22 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar: Andrea Scarpino wrote: Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Hello :) Using both build() and package() is not necessary condition for use only with splitted packages, its avoid to use the fakeroot on building process that is not needed in 99% of packages. It's also good to be able to use the -R flag to makepkg which you can't do without the separate functions :) Actually you can repackage without a package function. Whatever is contained in $pkgdir will be made into a package.
Re: [aur-general] Application as a Trusted User
Loui Chang wrote: On Sun 22 Nov 2009 07:34 +1100, Phillip Smith wrote: 2009/11/22 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar: Andrea Scarpino wrote: Why do you use package() function when the package isn't a splitted package? Hello :) Using both build() and package() is not necessary condition for use only with splitted packages, its avoid to use the fakeroot on building process that is not needed in 99% of packages. It's also good to be able to use the -R flag to makepkg which you can't do without the separate functions :) Actually you can repackage without a package function. Whatever is contained in $pkgdir will be made into a package. Yes, but it is rather crap... without the package() function using -R is only useful if you want to change a variable in the PKGBUILD (pkgdesc, depends,...). With a package() function, you can actually change the contents of the package. Splitting of the build and package steps is one of the most under-appreciated features in the last pacman release. It is really good to see someone actually using it. (I do not and I implemented it!) Allan
