[aur-general] IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate's
Preferably we want to achieve: - No download of full tarball for users that use the system jre - Default of installing the bundled jre (because that's the recommendation from jetbrains). - Only 1 source package to reduce maintenance I count 4 options: A) 2 packages: "base-with-jre" and "base-without-jre" B) 2 packages: "base" opt-depends on "jre-bundled" or a system jre C) 1 split-package generating the 2 packages from option B D) 1 split-package generating 4 packages: "base", "base-jre-meta", "base-jre-system", "base-jre-bundled" I think A) and C) are the best compromises. We're currently using A). So I'm fine with keeping it as it is now.
Re: [aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
Yes I would also totally agree with the split package approach for an
optional jre. And FYI, you can find CLion a perfect example for
implementing this:
https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=clion .
Eli Schwartz via aur-general 于2017年2月6日周一
上午1:59写道：
> On 02/05/2017 07:17 AM, Reto Kaiser wrote:
> >> I personally prefer the flag thing
> > [...]
> >> The "-meta" thing is a little...
> > [...]
> >> The cleanest solution may very well be what we have now.
> >
> > Agree, the thing with the meta packages is a bit overcomplicated.
> > How about a single PKGFILE, which creates two packages with the "split
> > package" mechanism (one with, one without JRE).
> > @uwolfer wdyt? I can prepare the code.
>
> Perhaps you could create two split packages, one for
> intellij-idea-utimate-edition, one for the bundled JRE... and have the
> former optdepend on the latter and on the system JRE.
>
> The four-way split, meta-package dependency is over-engineered, but
> without the repo package providing ${pkgbase}-jre I don't see how to do
> it via a clean dependency *at all*... since Arch Linux users are always
> expected to pay attention to pacman's output e.g. optdepends, this
> shouldn't pose a problem to users.
>
> It wouldn't be the first package to *need* at-least-one-of its
> optdepends to be installed.
>
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Re: [aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
On 02/05/2017 07:17 AM, Reto Kaiser wrote:
>> I personally prefer the flag thing
> [...]
>> The "-meta" thing is a little...
> [...]
>> The cleanest solution may very well be what we have now.
>
> Agree, the thing with the meta packages is a bit overcomplicated.
> How about a single PKGFILE, which creates two packages with the "split
> package" mechanism (one with, one without JRE).
> @uwolfer wdyt? I can prepare the code.
Perhaps you could create two split packages, one for
intellij-idea-utimate-edition, one for the bundled JRE... and have the
former optdepend on the latter and on the system JRE.
The four-way split, meta-package dependency is over-engineered, but
without the repo package providing ${pkgbase}-jre I don't see how to do
it via a clean dependency *at all*... since Arch Linux users are always
expected to pay attention to pacman's output e.g. optdepends, this
shouldn't pose a problem to users.
It wouldn't be the first package to *need* at-least-one-of its
optdepends to be installed.
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Re: [aur-general] IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate's
Reto Kaiser reto at retokaiser.com (Sun Feb 5 12:17:00 UTC 2017) > Det nimetonmaili at gmail.com (Sat Feb 4 15:57:20 UTC 2017) > > I personally prefer the flag thing > [...] > > The "-meta" thing is a little... > [...] > > The cleanest solution may very well be what we have now. > > Agree, the thing with the meta packages is a bit overcomplicated. > How about a single PKGFILE, which creates two packages with the "split > package" mechanism (one with, one without JRE). > @uwolfer wdyt? I can prepare the code. All suggestions so far have been about a single PKGBUILD, so I'm assuming you mean a single source (the larger one), and then removing the jre/ folder from the other. That kind of takes the advantage away of the smaller download (503M vs. 572M), and will always create a conflict after build. Det
[aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
> I personally prefer the flag thing [...] > The "-meta" thing is a little... [...] > The cleanest solution may very well be what we have now. Agree, the thing with the meta packages is a bit overcomplicated. How about a single PKGFILE, which creates two packages with the "split package" mechanism (one with, one without JRE). @uwolfer wdyt? I can prepare the code.
Re: [aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
Reto Kaiser reto at retokaiser.com (Thu Feb 2 19:38:33 UTC 2017)
(Mailing list didn't accept my message, sorry for sending it again)
I've created the "-bundled-jre" version of the IDEA package after
discussion with the maintainer of the "-ultimate-edition" version
("uwolfer").
Some people want to have the bundled JRE, others would like to use a
system-wide installed JRE. The extra package "intellij-jdk" is not
guaranteed to be the same version than was shipped with the specific IDE.
Together with "pschichtel" we came up with yet another approach using
split- and meta-packages: The main package is
"intellij-idea-ultimate-edition" and depends on
"intellij-idea-ultimate-edition-jre-meta". This JRE meta package is not a
real package, but it is provided by two other packages:
- intellij-idea-ultimate-edition-jre-bundled: The JRE bundled with the
Jetbrains download.
- intellij-idea-ultimate-edition-jre-system: The default "java-environment"
package.
Code can be found here:
> https://github.com/njam/intellij-idea-ultimate-edition
I think it would be best to use this to create a single package
"intellij-idea-ultimate-edition". What do you think?
Regards
Reto
I personally prefer the flag thing mentioned by Leonidas (also, what I use in e.g.
nvidia-full-beta-all:
https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=nvidia-full-beta-all). The
"-meta" thing is a little...
I'd make the -no-jdk tarball the default, and whenever you change the _IntelliJ_JRE flag to
"1", you would automatically get the one with the bundled JRE (e.g. [[ -d
/usr/share/intellij-idea-ultimate-edition/jre/ ]]), until you'd set _(force_)system_JRE=1 (default
"0", which you'd otherwise never need to touch).
But that's also a little..."manual"... The cleanest solution may very well be
what we have now.
Det
[aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
(Mailing list didn't accept my message, sorry for sending it again)
I've created the "-bundled-jre" version of the IDEA package after
discussion with the maintainer of the "-ultimate-edition" version
("uwolfer").
Some people want to have the bundled JRE, others would like to use a
system-wide installed JRE. The extra package "intellij-jdk" is not
guaranteed to be the same version than was shipped with the specific IDE.
Together with "pschichtel" we came up with yet another approach using
split- and meta-packages: The main package is
"intellij-idea-ultimate-edition" and depends on
"intellij-idea-ultimate-edition-jre-meta". This JRE meta package is not a
real package, but it is provided by two other packages:
- intellij-idea-ultimate-edition-jre-bundled: The JRE bundled with the
Jetbrains download.
- intellij-idea-ultimate-edition-jre-system: The default "java-environment"
package.
Code can be found here:
https://github.com/njam/intellij-idea-ultimate-edition
I think it would be best to use this to create a single package
"intellij-idea-ultimate-edition". What do you think?
Regards
Reto
Re: [aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
On 02/02/17, Det via aur-general wrote: > Sup, > > Currently we have 3 non-split IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate's in the AUR > (there are other ones too, but they're not duplicates): > > - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ultimate-edition/ > (most popular one, no bundled JRE) > - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ue-bundled-jre/ > (same, but with bundled JRE) > - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-jdk/ (just the bundled JRE) > > We probably don't need all 3, so I wonder we could trim one of these? > >Det Hello I'm the maintainer for the EAP [0] version in AUR. I use a flag in PKGBUILD to allow the users to remove the JDK during build. There's also a way [1] to set the JDK of IDEA, along with the classic environmental variables (IDEA_JDK, IDEA_JDK_64 etc). [0]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ue-eap/ [1]: pinned comment in above package Regards, -- Leonidas Spyropoulos A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Re: [aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
Det said on Thu Feb 2 06:25:58 UTC 2017: Sup, Currently we have 3 non-split IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate's in the AUR (there are other ones too, but they're not duplicates): -https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ultimate-edition/ (most popular one, no bundled JRE) -https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ue-bundled-jre/ (same, but with bundled JRE) -https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-jdk/ (just the bundled JRE) We probably don't need all 3, so I wonder we could trim one of these? Det Correction. The "intellij-jdk" is obviously indeed JDK... Det
[aur-general] Intellij IDEA Ultimate's
Sup, Currently we have 3 non-split IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate's in the AUR (there are other ones too, but they're not duplicates): - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ultimate-edition/ (most popular one, no bundled JRE) - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-idea-ue-bundled-jre/ (same, but with bundled JRE) - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intellij-jdk/ (just the bundled JRE) We probably don't need all 3, so I wonder we could trim one of these? Det
