Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-17 Thread Xyne
Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

When did spamming AUR become contributing? It's not big deal to create
one split PKGBUILD for each language provided by one upstream team. OP
could at least comply to our warnings and tips before I threatened him.

Until the AUR properly supports split packages, separate distinct packages
should not be considered spam.


If TU criticizes the decision taken after discussion on IRC then I think
something has gone very wrong. =)

Only a subset of TUs are on IRC and even fewer at any given moment. You cannot
expect TUs to even be aware of all discussion that occurs there, let
alone expect them to agree with it after the fact. Official discussion happens
on this list, where all TUs (and users) can follow and participate.


Regards,
Xyne



Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread Xyne
Kwpolska wrote:

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote:
 Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
really wild mood, trust me.

 What did he do that you consider spamming?

88 packages are quite a lot.  (src: OP’s original split PKGBUILD)

When did contributing to the AUR become spamming? The packages are for
separate languages and directly correspond to upstream. I do not consider that
spam at all. If anything, it is a commendable effort to provide those packages
despite the AURs inability to (fully) support split packages.

If TUs now threaten users who contribute too much then I think something has
gone very wrong.


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread Johannes Löthberg
On 01/13/2013 03:52 PM, Xyne wrote:
 Kwpolska wrote:
 
 On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote:
 Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

 It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
 workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
 really wild mood, trust me.

 What did he do that you consider spamming?

 88 packages are quite a lot.  (src: OP’s original split PKGBUILD)
 
 When did contributing to the AUR become spamming? The packages are for
 separate languages and directly correspond to upstream. I do not consider that
 spam at all. If anything, it is a commendable effort to provide those packages
 despite the AURs inability to (fully) support split packages.
 
 If TUs now threaten users who contribute too much then I think something has
 gone very wrong.
 

I wonder if he also consider the libreoffice packages in the repos to be
spam.

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread Bartłomiej Piotrowski
On 01/13/2013 03:52 PM, Xyne wrote:
 Kwpolska wrote:
 
 On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote:
 Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

 It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
 workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
 really wild mood, trust me.

 What did he do that you consider spamming?

 88 packages are quite a lot.  (src: OP’s original split PKGBUILD)
 
 When did contributing to the AUR become spamming? The packages are for
 separate languages and directly correspond to upstream. I do not consider that
 spam at all. If anything, it is a commendable effort to provide those packages
 despite the AURs inability to (fully) support split packages.
 
 If TUs now threaten users who contribute too much then I think something has
 gone very wrong.
 

When did spamming AUR become contributing? It's not big deal to create
one split PKGBUILD for each language provided by one upstream team. OP
could at least comply to our warnings and tips before I threatened him.

If TU criticizes the decision taken after discussion on IRC then I think
something has gone very wrong. =)

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread Bartłomiej Piotrowski
On 01/13/2013 04:00 PM, Johannes Löthberg wrote:
 On 01/13/2013 03:52 PM, Xyne wrote:
 Kwpolska wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote:
 Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

 It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
 workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
 really wild mood, trust me.

 What did he do that you consider spamming?

 88 packages are quite a lot.  (src: OP’s original split PKGBUILD)

 When did contributing to the AUR become spamming? The packages are for
 separate languages and directly correspond to upstream. I do not consider 
 that
 spam at all. If anything, it is a commendable effort to provide those 
 packages
 despite the AURs inability to (fully) support split packages.

 If TUs now threaten users who contribute too much then I think something has
 gone very wrong.

 
 I wonder if he also consider the libreoffice packages in the repos to be
 spam.
 

I wonder if you have something constructive to say.

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread Alexander Rødseth
Looking forward, what would it take for AUR to support split packages?
Are there any particular or known obstacles, if one were to try to
write a patch?

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread Kwpolska
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Alexander Rødseth rods...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking forward, what would it take for AUR to support split packages?
 Are there any particular or known obstacles, if one were to try to
 write a patch?

PHP is one known obstacle.  Bash parsing might be yet another one, but
that shouldn’t be *too* hard to deal with.

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-13 Thread canyonknight
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Alexander Rødseth rods...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking forward, what would it take for AUR to support split packages?
 Are there any particular or known obstacles, if one were to try to
 write a patch?

The relevant bug entry is FS#16394 [1]. Also the task it depends on,
FS#15043, is quite important [2]. The basic issue is PKGBUILD parsing
is really difficult to do.

Take a look at the source for pkgsubmit.php [3]. In particular, lines
122-272 are representative of the craziness that takes place when the
AUR currently tries to parse a PKGBUILD.

IMHO, the only realistic way of ever including split packages in the
AUR is the use of a source package metadata file. A dead easy to parse
file within a source tarball that can give the AUR all the information
it needs without all the bash parsing it currently attempts.

I actually did a test a while back of such a file that the AUR could
parse. It not only cut out a lot of cruft from the submission logic,
but also fixed a few bugs and made split packages feasible.

Just as a side note, a recent commit provides a more helpful error
message when a user tries to submit a split package [4]. The
particular PKGBUILD in the original post was crafted in a way so that
error wasn't triggered and that cryptic message was printed.


[1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16394
[2] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/15043
[3] https://projects.archlinux.org/aur.git/tree/web/html/pkgsubmit.php
[4] 
https://projects.archlinux.org/aur.git/commit/?id=789245077d1ded7b2aaf4631bbca2a9267690739


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-11 Thread Kwpolska
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote:
 Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
really wild mood, trust me.

 What did he do that you consider spamming?

88 packages are quite a lot.  (src: OP’s original split PKGBUILD)

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread Felix Yan
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 04:19:56 PM Jorge Barroso wrote:
 Hello I'm making a package of iceweasel's translations with help of
 firefox' pkgbuild, but when I try to upload it aur throws an error that says
 
 Invalid name: only lowercase letters are allowed.
 
 
 
 What does that error exactly means? This is my pkgbuild
 
 http://pastebin.com/U37MwGri

AUR do not support splitted packages. See [1] for more info.

[1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16394

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread rafael ff1
2013/1/10 Jorge Barroso jorge.barroso...@gmail.com:
2013/1/10 Felix Yan felixonm...@gmail.com

AUR do not support splitted packages. See [1] for more info.

 [1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16394


 So what can I do? :S

Create one PKGBUILD for each package. I suggest a shell script to make
this creation/maintainance task more automatic.


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread Felix Yan
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 05:41:01 PM Jorge Barroso wrote:
 2013/1/10 Felix Yan felixonm...@gmail.com
 
 AUR do not support splitted packages. See [1] for more info.
 
  [1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16394
 
 So what can I do? :S

A workaround I saw is

pkgname=yourpkgbase
true  pkgname=('one' 'two' 'three' ...)

hope this helps :)

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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread Jorge Barroso
2013/1/10 rafael ff1 rafael.f...@gmail.com


 Create one PKGBUILD for each package. I suggest a shell script to make
 this creation/maintainance task more automatic.




2013/1/10 Felix Yan felixonm...@gmail.com


 A workaround I saw is

 pkgname=yourpkgbase
 true  pkgname=('one' 'two' 'three' ...)

 hope this helps :)


I'll try what you said felix :D rafael I did so, but there was a TU
(Barthalion) that removed all the packages and told me to make a split
package, and also that he'll suspend my account if I do it again :S


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread rafael ff1
2013/1/10 Jorge Barroso jorge.barroso...@gmail.com:
2013/1/10 rafael ff1 rafael.f...@gmail.com


 Create one PKGBUILD for each package. I suggest a shell script to make
 this creation/maintainance task more automatic.




2013/1/10 Felix Yan felixonm...@gmail.com


 A workaround I saw is

 pkgname=yourpkgbase
 true  pkgname=('one' 'two' 'three' ...)

 hope this helps :)


 I'll try what you said felix :D rafael I did so, but there was a TU
 (Barthalion) that removed all the packages and told me to make a split
 package, and also that he'll suspend my account if I do it again :S

... and AUR don't support split packages. Awesome situation. In this
case, better got with Felix's suggestion.


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread Bartłomiej Piotrowski
On 01/10/2013 06:18 PM, rafael ff1 wrote:
 2013/1/10 Jorge Barroso jorge.barroso...@gmail.com:
 2013/1/10 rafael ff1 rafael.f...@gmail.com


 Create one PKGBUILD for each package. I suggest a shell script to make
 this creation/maintainance task more automatic.




 2013/1/10 Felix Yan felixonm...@gmail.com


 A workaround I saw is

 pkgname=yourpkgbase
 true  pkgname=('one' 'two' 'three' ...)

 hope this helps :)


 I'll try what you said felix :D rafael I did so, but there was a TU
 (Barthalion) that removed all the packages and told me to make a split
 package, and also that he'll suspend my account if I do it again :S
 
 ... and AUR don't support split packages. Awesome situation. In this
 case, better got with Felix's suggestion.
 

It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
really wild mood, trust me.

-- 
Bartłomiej Piotrowski
Arch Linux Trusted User
http://archlinux.org/



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Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread rafael ff1
2013/1/10 Bartłomiej Piotrowski b...@bpiotrowski.pl:
 On 01/10/2013 06:18 PM, rafael ff1 wrote:
 2013/1/10 Jorge Barroso jorge.barroso...@gmail.com:
 2013/1/10 rafael ff1 rafael.f...@gmail.com


 Create one PKGBUILD for each package. I suggest a shell script to make
 this creation/maintainance task more automatic.




 2013/1/10 Felix Yan felixonm...@gmail.com


 A workaround I saw is

 pkgname=yourpkgbase
 true  pkgname=('one' 'two' 'three' ...)

 hope this helps :)


 I'll try what you said felix :D rafael I did so, but there was a TU
 (Barthalion) that removed all the packages and told me to make a split
 package, and also that he'll suspend my account if I do it again :S

 ... and AUR don't support split packages. Awesome situation. In this
 case, better got with Felix's suggestion.


 It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
 workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
 really wild mood, trust me.

 --
 Bartłomiej Piotrowski
 Arch Linux Trusted User
 http://archlinux.org/


I didn't said that I think your decision was wrong. Chill out. ;)


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread Jorge Barroso
2013/1/10 Bartłomiej Piotrowski b...@bpiotrowski.pl


 It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
 workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
 really wild mood, trust me.


Ok Bartłomiej, it wasn't my intention to offend you, sorry, I was just
describing my situation, and... yes, I've had no time until now, but I'm
going to try and let's see what can I do.

Although, I don't think I was spamming... but, you command...


Re: [aur-general] Only lower case letters?

2013-01-10 Thread Xyne
Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

It doesn't support them directly, but many packagers use Felix'
workaround. If you are going to spam AUR like Jorge did, I'll be in
really wild mood, trust me.

What did he do that you consider spamming?