Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
Why not just rename it java-gstreamer-java? That way we can respect the archlinux policies, and also keep the origal name for anyone trying to find it on the aur. I chuckled. I assume this isn't a serious suggestion. Though it would solve it, it's not really a solution. As I was reading the replies to this thread I actually thought of java-gstreamer-java too before I saw Laurie's suggestion. It does sound a bit silly but it makes sense at the same time if gstreamer-java can only be meaningfully used by Java. With the current packaging guidelines, the language- prefix makes it instantly clear that the packages is a libarary/modules/etc of that language and not a stand-alone/front-end application. This is very useful in the absence of clear categories or tags when a user is browsing the list of available packages. Perhaps we can all agree that the best solution is to use the name gstreamer-java, which is quite clear as Aaron pointed out, but put java-gstreamer and java-gstreamer-java in the provides array for the sake of uniformity. To be honest, I'm not really bothered either way and I only asked about the name originally because I was unaware that the upstream name was gstreamer-java. Xyne
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:22:12 +0300 Vitaliy Berdinskikh skippe...@root.ua wrote: java-gstreamer http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24668 duplicate of gstreamer-java http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25892 If this package contains a set of java bindings, shouldn't it be named java-gstreamer as recommended by the Java Package Guidelines [1]? Why was it renamed? [1] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Java_Package_Guidelines
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
В Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:05:09 +0200 Xyne x...@archlinux.ca пишет: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:22:12 +0300 Vitaliy Berdinskikh skippe...@root.ua wrote: java-gstreamer http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24668 duplicate of gstreamer-java http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25892 If this package contains a set of java bindings, shouldn't it be named java-gstreamer as recommended by the Java Package Guidelines [1]? Why was it renamed? The original name is gstreamer-java http://gstreamer-java.googlecode.com/ -- Sincerely yours, Vitaliy Berdinskikh (Виталий Бердинских) xmpp:vita...@berdinskikh.in.ua SIP phone: 17473293...@proxy01.sipphone.com
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
On 23/06/2009, Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com wrote:
So does the policy override the project name of generically named
things (like libraries)? I'm just wondering where exactly there is a
split between where the name should be respected vs the policy.
I think so, if there are java package policies we should respect they.
We could use provides=('gstreamer-java') to keep the original and
known project name and pkgname=java-gstreamer to respect policies.
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Andrea `bash` Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
Excerpts from Vitaliy Berdinskikh's message of Tue Jun 23 16:06:28 -0400 2009: В Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:55 +0200 Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org пишет: On 23/06/2009, Vitaliy Berdinskikh skippe...@root.ua wrote: The original name is gstreamer-java But we have the policies, so if you want to package a project respect ours policies. please adopt java-gstreamer; after this, someone will delete gstreamer-java * If a Java library has a generic name, the package name should be prepended with the title java- to help distinguish it from other libraries. This is not necessary with uniquely named packages (like JUnit), end-user programs (like Eclipse), or libraries that can be uniquely described with another prefix (like jakarta-commons-collections or apache-ant). I'd say that gstreamer-java is a generically named library, so it should probably be java-gstreamer. Thanks for clearing it up. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) Q: What's the big deal about rm, I have been deleting stuff for years? And never lost anything.. oops! A: ... -- From the Frequently Unasked Questions
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
Excerpts from Laurie Clark-Michalek's message of Tue Jun 23 16:45:04 -0400 2009: 2009/6/23 Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com: Excerpts from Vitaliy Berdinskikh's message of Tue Jun 23 16:06:28 -0400 2009: В Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:55 +0200 Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org пишет: On 23/06/2009, Vitaliy Berdinskikh skippe...@root.ua wrote: The original name is gstreamer-java But we have the policies, so if you want to package a project respect ours policies. please adopt java-gstreamer; after this, someone will delete gstreamer-java * If a Java library has a generic name, the package name should be prepended with the title java- to help distinguish it from other libraries. This is not necessary with uniquely named packages (like JUnit), end-user programs (like Eclipse), or libraries that can be uniquely described with another prefix (like jakarta-commons-collections or apache-ant). I'd say that gstreamer-java is a generically named library, so it should probably be java-gstreamer. Thanks for clearing it up. Why not just rename it java-gstreamer-java? That way we can respect the archlinux policies, and also keep the origal name for anyone trying to find it on the aur. I chuckled. I assume this isn't a serious suggestion. Though it would solve it, it's not really a solution. I'm think I agree with Andrea still. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) 'Ooohh.. FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to Linux over the wire. Film at 11.' -- Linus Torvalds
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Andrei Thorpgar...@gmail.com wrote: Excerpts from Laurie Clark-Michalek's message of Tue Jun 23 16:45:04 -0400 2009: 2009/6/23 Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com: Excerpts from Vitaliy Berdinskikh's message of Tue Jun 23 16:06:28 -0400 2009: В Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:55 +0200 Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org пишет: On 23/06/2009, Vitaliy Berdinskikh skippe...@root.ua wrote: The original name is gstreamer-java But we have the policies, so if you want to package a project respect ours policies. please adopt java-gstreamer; after this, someone will delete gstreamer-java * If a Java library has a generic name, the package name should be prepended with the title java- to help distinguish it from other libraries. This is not necessary with uniquely named packages (like JUnit), end-user programs (like Eclipse), or libraries that can be uniquely described with another prefix (like jakarta-commons-collections or apache-ant). I'd say that gstreamer-java is a generically named library, so it should probably be java-gstreamer. Thanks for clearing it up. Why not just rename it java-gstreamer-java? That way we can respect the archlinux policies, and also keep the origal name for anyone trying to find it on the aur. I chuckled. I assume this isn't a serious suggestion. Though it would solve it, it's not really a solution. I'm think I agree with Andrea still. Just a note - I feel that it's always preferable to stick with upstream names. If it becomes too generic, then we can tack on some nomenclature. Case in point: feedparser. WTF is that? Oh it's python-feedparser! These bindings are named well enough for my tastes in the original upstream project.
Re: [aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
Excerpts from Aaron Griffin's message of Tue Jun 23 16:52:19 -0400 2009: 2009/6/23 Laurie Clark-Michalek bluepepp...@archlinux.us: Why not just rename it java-gstreamer-java? That way we can respect the archlinux policies, and also keep the origal name for anyone trying to find it on the aur. I'm voting for java-jstreamer-gstreamer-java-bindings-plugin-blue++ You don't get to be the boss without this kind of expertise in problem solving. Well done ;) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) - DDD no longer requires the librx library. Consequently, librx errors can no more cause DDD to crash. -- DDD
[aur-general] Request: Removal of java-gstreamer
java-gstreamer http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24668 duplicate of gstreamer-java http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25892 -- Sincerely yours, Vitaliy Berdinskikh (Виталий Бердинских) xmpp:vita...@berdinskikh.in.ua SIP phone: 17473293...@proxy01.sipphone.com
