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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS1-R

2016-05-10 Thread Richard Frawley

I wish the answer had been 42



> On 11 May 2016, at 3:55 PM, Bob Dircks  wrote:
> 
> My point all along was the error in the units quoted.
> 
> Ok my response might have appeared obscure. sorry.
> 
> But in a field where sound physics is necessary, anyone quoting figures 
> should be very careful about the units used.
> 
> There is a huge difference between 8 square meters and 8 meters square !
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Adam Woolley  > wrote:
> The Diana 2 has an 8.16m.sq wing, so entirely possible that this 'JS1R' is 
> only 8m.sq
> 
> Sounds like a bullet to me!
> WPP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 7:05 PM -0700, "Bob Dircks"  > wrote:
> 
> maybe.. it certainly looks like a joke!
> 
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Richard Frawley  > wrote:
> a joke Bob
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 May 2016, at 12:03 PM, Bob Dircks > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not going to argue with aerodynamicists...  if they say its 8m square... 
>> then that's good enough for me!
>> 
>> By my basic maths that means the aspect ratio is.. um its gotta 
>> be 64 divide by 8 no, that's not right,
>> Pi times diameter divide by the circumference
>> 
>> Yeah that's it equals 1 !
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Richard Frawley > > wrote:
>> it should be tapered and not square, Pukatrucks have stolen that way already 
>> ! (well rectangle anyway)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 May 2016, at 11:47 AM, Bob Dircks >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 8m square that's a bloody big wing it'll have to weigh about 3.5 
>>> tons to get a reasonable wing loading !
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Richard Hatch >> > wrote:
>>> Just heard, 8m.sq wing!  
>>> 
>>> Not sure how well it'll go though in the broken thermals though.  Perhaps 
>>> it's going to be of limited production like the Diana 2, set up for record 
>>> flying on perfect days!?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mike Borgelt 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Nothing on the Jonker website or Google search. Lots of JS-1 but they seem 
>>> to be racing cars or guitars.
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine why anyone would design a new 15M racing class glider 
>>> nowadays.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 09:38 PM 4/18/2016, you wrote:
 JS1-Racing
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS1-R

2016-05-10 Thread Richard Frawley

http://forum.condorsoaring.com/viewtopic.php?t=15473 


duckhawk flight experiance


> On 11 May 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter  wrote:
> 
> The Duckhawk has a 7.4sqm wing @ 525kg(!), and the Diana 2 a 8.16sqm at 
> 500kg. The Diana at least is renowned for its ability to climb in the weak 
> conditions.
> 
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Adam Woolley  > wrote:
> The Diana 2 has an 8.16m.sq wing, so entirely possible that this 'JS1R' is 
> only 8m.sq
> 
> Sounds like a bullet to me!
> WPP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 7:05 PM -0700, "Bob Dircks"  > wrote:
> 
> maybe.. it certainly looks like a joke!
> 
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Richard Frawley  > wrote:
> a joke Bob
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 May 2016, at 12:03 PM, Bob Dircks > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not going to argue with aerodynamicists...  if they say its 8m square... 
>> then that's good enough for me!
>> 
>> By my basic maths that means the aspect ratio is.. um its gotta 
>> be 64 divide by 8 no, that's not right,
>> Pi times diameter divide by the circumference
>> 
>> Yeah that's it equals 1 !
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Richard Frawley > > wrote:
>> it should be tapered and not square, Pukatrucks have stolen that way already 
>> ! (well rectangle anyway)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 May 2016, at 11:47 AM, Bob Dircks >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 8m square that's a bloody big wing it'll have to weigh about 3.5 
>>> tons to get a reasonable wing loading !
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Richard Hatch >> > wrote:
>>> Just heard, 8m.sq wing!  
>>> 
>>> Not sure how well it'll go though in the broken thermals though.  Perhaps 
>>> it's going to be of limited production like the Diana 2, set up for record 
>>> flying on perfect days!?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mike Borgelt 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Nothing on the Jonker website or Google search. Lots of JS-1 but they seem 
>>> to be racing cars or guitars.
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine why anyone would design a new 15M racing class glider 
>>> nowadays.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 09:38 PM 4/18/2016, you wrote:
 JS1-Racing
 
 Newly developed fuselage
 15m racing class
 
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS1-R

2016-05-10 Thread Matthew Scutter

The Duckhawk has a 7.4sqm wing @ 525kg(!), and the Diana 2 a 8.16sqm at
500kg. The Diana at least is renowned for its ability to climb in the weak
conditions.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Adam Woolley  wrote:

> The Diana 2 has an 8.16m.sq wing, so entirely possible that this 'JS1R' is
> only 8m.sq
>
> Sounds like a bullet to me!
> WPP
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 7:05 PM -0700, "Bob Dircks" 
> wrote:
>
> maybe.. it certainly looks like a joke!
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Richard Frawley 
> wrote:
>
>> a joke Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 May 2016, at 12:03 PM, Bob Dircks  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not going to argue with aerodynamicists...  if they say its 8m
>> square... then that's good enough for me!
>>
>> By my basic maths that means the aspect ratio is.. um its
>> gotta be 64 divide by 8 no, that's not right,
>> Pi times diameter divide by the circumference
>>
>> Yeah that's it equals 1 !
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Richard Frawley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it should be tapered and not square, Pukatrucks have stolen that way
>>> already ! (well rectangle anyway)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 May 2016, at 11:47 AM, Bob Dircks  wrote:
>>>
>>> 8m square that's a bloody big wing it'll have to weigh about 3.5
>>> tons to get a reasonable wing loading !
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Richard Hatch 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Just heard, 8m.sq wing!

 Not sure how well it'll go though in the broken thermals though.
 Perhaps it's going to be of limited production like the Diana 2, set up for
 record flying on perfect days!?

 On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mike Borgelt <
 mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:

> Nothing on the Jonker website or Google search. Lots of JS-1 but they
> seem to be racing cars or guitars.
>
> I can't imagine why anyone would design a new 15M racing class glider
> nowadays.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> At 09:38 PM 4/18/2016, you wrote:
>
> JS1-Racing
>
> Newly developed fuselage
> 15m racing class
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS1-R

2016-05-10 Thread Bob Dircks

8m square that's a bloody big wing it'll have to weigh about 3.5
tons to get a reasonable wing loading !

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Richard Hatch  wrote:

> Just heard, 8m.sq wing!
>
> Not sure how well it'll go though in the broken thermals though.  Perhaps
> it's going to be of limited production like the Diana 2, set up for record
> flying on perfect days!?
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mike Borgelt <
> mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:
>
>> Nothing on the Jonker website or Google search. Lots of JS-1 but they
>> seem to be racing cars or guitars.
>>
>> I can't imagine why anyone would design a new 15M racing class glider
>> nowadays.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 09:38 PM 4/18/2016, you wrote:
>>
>> JS1-Racing
>>
>> Newly developed fuselage
>> 15m racing class
>>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS1-R

2016-05-10 Thread Richard Hatch

Just heard, 8m.sq wing!

Not sure how well it'll go though in the broken thermals though.  Perhaps
it's going to be of limited production like the Diana 2, set up for record
flying on perfect days!?

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Mike Borgelt <
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:

> Nothing on the Jonker website or Google search. Lots of JS-1 but they seem
> to be racing cars or guitars.
>
> I can't imagine why anyone would design a new 15M racing class glider
> nowadays.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> At 09:38 PM 4/18/2016, you wrote:
>
> JS1-Racing
>
> Newly developed fuselage
> 15m racing class
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Any towballs heading east from Perth?

2016-05-10 Thread opsworx

Justin, consider putting it on the train to Parkes then picking up. Very cost 
effective.  I had looked at bringing a truck from Perth and it was cheaper than 
the fuel let alone other costs with less potential for damege, wheel bearings, 
chassis cracks  etc. .  

Peter Heath 




 Justin Couch  wrote: 

=
Purchasing a glider in WA and would like to bring it east. I'm in 
Sydney, but happy to meet anywhere over to Adelaide/Melbourne etc. 
Trailer is an old Komet with a single seater in it, and in OK condition. 
Not ready to bring the trailer today, but anywhere (probably) 2-6 weeks 
from now would be ideal. Obviously, will cough up some cash for the fuel 
etc.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 1000km in a 1-26

2016-05-10 Thread Jim Staniforth

The 1-26 is a pretty basic glider. L/D is 23:1 and the right side of the 
polar is steep. Daniel is a great pilot.

Some of you may have met him at the Junior Worlds at Narromine.
Jim



On 5/8/2016 8:00 PM, Justin Couch wrote:
For those not watching r.a.s, A 1000km flight has just been completed 
in a Schweizer 1-26 in the USA. Out and back on ridges.


http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0qx3v8UKt3rtQecIVYYZyf39kIpQSWBMk 



This was his second attempt. First was about 2 weeks ago, but this 
time he nailed it.




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Re: [Aus-soaring] spinning

2016-05-10 Thread Mike Borgelt

Yes, the rules are so complex and large that they 
contradict themselves in many places and even the 
CASA staff don't understand them.


Never mind, according to some CASA staff  pilots 
are just criminals who haven't been caught yet.



Mike


At 02:27 PM 5/10/2016, you wrote:
On May 10, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Mike Borgelt 
 wrote: > Your 
answer is 100% correct and utterly useless but 
now I know this is the CASA building. Theyâre 
often not 100% correct.   - mark 
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