Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Horsham Week 2012 entries
1. Worlds/Pre-Worlds 2. World Grand Prix 3. MultiClass Nationals, 4. ClubClass Nationals, 5. Junior Nationals, 6. Australian Qualifying Grand Prix, 7. Horsham Week, 8. Narromine Cup, 9. Womens Week, 10. Squad Week, 11. Qld Easter Comps, 12. Speed Week, 13. Lake Keepit Regatta, 14. SA Coaching Week, 15. Vic Coaching Week, 16. Qld State Comps, 17. NSW State Comps, 18. Vic State Comps, 19. SA State Comps, 20. WA State Comps, Did I forget anything? Probably. MultiClass, ClubClass and Juniors all have to be scheduled so as not to conflict in their dates and geography and ideally not to conflict with any of the World Championship events. There also needs to be at least two weeks separation between them. Horsham Week and Narromine Cup are fixed to long standing traditional dates, Qualifying GP ideally follows closely after the MultiClass, Womens Week often closely aligns with Club Class (immediately before or after). Logistics, ideal weather patterns (varying from Qld to SA), availability of tugs, gliders and organising crews also play a large part in the scheduling thought process. It is a challenging exercise in scheduling and logistics and sometimes despite all of everyone’s best efforts and good will, one or another of these events will collide. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 11:55 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Horsham Week 2012 entries You could equally blame the club class for taking up multi-class's traditional first 2 weeks of January, or ; those who wish to fly both club and multi Nats but find it too demanding [or downright dangerous] to fly both back to back, or ; those that wish to fly both but thought 1 week in between not worth going back to work for and 5 weeks too long. There are many competing interests here and all valid, the SC had to decide and they did! Apart from historical pigheadedness, exactly why couldn't Horsham week put the comp back a little if they are worried about losing pilots this year.?? There is a constant battle between Nrm Cup/ NSW comps/ Junior Nats/ Women's week too - the calendar is full! Tom [oh to be retired!]:] _ From: rolf a. buelter rbuel...@hotmail.com To: aus soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: Horsham Week 2012 entries Hear, Hear!! Rgds - Rolf From: maxh...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: Horsham Week 2012 entries Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:31:34 +1100 To: p...@mander.net.au Hi Paul Perhaps you should ask the organisers of the multi class nationals that question! In the mid to late 1960's I was doing a lot of flying in the Boomerang in which I got my 3 diamonds by Nov 1968, [ No 6 but number 4 actually earn't in Australia and only the second 3 diamond badge fully earn't in Australia as the heights for two of those other 3 badges were done overseas.] one of the few 3 diamonds badges earn't in an all wood aircraft. The best period for flying in those years seemed to be around the end of January and into early February. Also by then the grain farmers had finished harvest and there were the big paddocks open for landing if one got caught out. We held our first competition in Easter 1966 but it was obvious that Easter was far too late to do any real flying. I had read an article in the American Soaring around that time by an american who had flown at an 8 day long competition at Angers in France. The article was called Eight days at Angers. I realised about then that if we held a competition starting on a Saturday and going through until the following Saturday it would be a nice week of flying for most pilots and would give them time to get home on Sunday and back to work for the next week. So when the club [ Wimmera Soaring Club ] came to make a decision on what and when and if we held another competition following the not very successful 1966 Easter competition I suggested that we hold this 8 day competition beginning around the second full week in February. There were other factors involved in this timing as well as Waikerie, Benalla and a host of then new clubs were all busy organising competitions all over the place for the then very rapidly expanding gliding movement so we had to fit in. The first 8 day, week long competition was held at Dooen out of the paddock across the highway and immediately east of the 660 foot high Dooen Wireless mast from the 18th to the 26th February 1967,. As I remember it there were 8 competitors and I think [ but am not sure ] we flew I think for all of the 8 days. On 14 th
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
At 07:31 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote:  an annual calendar of events published on the GFA web site --- and coordinated by? --- Wolkenkuckucksheim ! - Original Message - Yeah, it is called anarcho-tyranny Regulate the minutae of people's behaviour while missing the big picture. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Mike we already have there here in Canberra ;) I would prefer to see it managed by those who have a vested interest in maximising the outcome for the majority sure it will not satisfy everyone you never can but hopefully it would be better than it is now. == Chris I will do it; all bribes gratefully accepted J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 8:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events At 07:31 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote:  an annual calendar of events published on the GFA web site --- and coordinated by? --- Wolkenkuckucksheim ! - Original Message - Yeah, it is called anarcho-tyranny Regulate the minutae of people's behaviour while missing the big picture. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Yes, but will it be managed? Surely this should have been addressed by the national body years ago, as in the CAMS example you gave and many other sports. - Original Message - From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Mike - we already have there here in Canberra ;) I would prefer to see it managed by those who have a vested interest in maximising the outcome for the majority - sure it will not satisfy everyone you never can but hopefully it would be better than it is now. == Chris - I will do it; all bribes gratefully accepted J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 8:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events At 07:31 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote:  an annual calendar of events published on the GFA web site --- and coordinated by? --- Wolkenkuckucksheim ! - Original Message - Yeah, it is called anarcho-tyranny Regulate the minutae of people's behaviour while missing the big picture. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0 Content-Language: en-au Mike we already have there here in Canberra ;) Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions Co-ordinating Committee. These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few WA pilots go to Nationals. You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow time for annual leave applications etc. A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've forgotten you ever knew. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Mike, The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just dropped a C somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they deal with a lot more than just Co-ordination. Ross McLean is the current chair. The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict with a Nationals and so can a club. South Australia is holding an event in conflict with the Club Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham clashing with the multiclass. And it was always thus, though of course scheduling was a bit easier when we had only one Nationals and not three. It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only dark to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries. In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there are so few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least in the case of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing to host them. What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for gliding events of all types at present. It's probably better to have this problem than the other one. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 12/11/2011 10:09, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0 Content-Language: en-au Mike -- we already have there here in Canberra ;) Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions Co-ordinating Committee. These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few WA pilots go to Nationals. You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow time for annual leave applications etc. A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've forgotten you ever knew. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePO4 cells
I've found the following: http://www.all-battery.com/Tenergy3.2V15Ah40152SLiFePO4EnergyCellRechargeableBattery-30078.aspx These are 15 Amp-hour 3.2 volts per cell. 4 cells make a nominal 12 volt battery.(14.4 fully charged, better than 11 volts discharged) and are UL listed and the test schedule is described. 150 Amp maximum current. Each cell is 151 long x 40mm diameter and 480 grams. LiFePO4 is the safest current lithium technology. I'm happy enough that these are safe in a gliders under normal discharge although I don't plan to charge in the aircraft. Each pack weighs less than the standard 7A-h gel cell and has over twice the energy content. You can find the cost of the cells and shipping by going to their shopping cart. Don't forget GST here. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 98, Issue 23
Hello All There is a calendar of events on the GFA website. Members and Clubs, as wells as CDs etc are able to request something to go on the Calendar. If you are a member, you will also receive a magazine which has a 2 month calendar centerfold with events included. http://www.gfa.org.au/imis15/GFA/News/Calendar Hope the season goes well everyone. Anita ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
