Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Mark Newton]

On 20/03/2012, at 2:11 PM, "Future Aviation"  wrote:

> Together with the involuntary service fee it might keep DG afloat and owners 
> of LS and DG
> gliders can get the support needed to keep their gliders in the air.

I hope Glasflugel and Schneider never go broke, otherwise there'll be no 
support to keep all those Libelles, Hornets, and Boomerangs in the air.

Oh wait.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Future Aviation]

Hi Tim
 
With all due respect but I think you are missing the point ever so slightly
here. Let me explain!
 
When LS went bankrupt DG took over and promised an even better support than
the original manufacturer. 
In fact for the best part of a decade  Mr. Weber (owner of DG) never got
tired of advertising that he is not 
only the true saviour of all these LS gliders but also of all aircraft built
before DG went into liquidation.
 
Now the situation seems to have changed and Mr. Weber has learned the hard
way that one can make a 
small fortune in aviation as long as one starts with a big one. Failing to
develop a competitive glider in a 
shrinking market has pushed DG to the brink and it is truly amazing to see
how all this original marketing 
hype has disappeared. Contrary to other manufacturers customers not only pay
for spare parts but on top 
of it they are forced to pay a hefty annual fee just to be considered for
spare parts.  
 
Mr. Weber has now gone into retirement and factory staff is rightly
concerned that his accumulated wealth 
from previous business activities will no longer support an ailing glider
manufacturing division. Close observers 
know that the company is moving into non aviation related activities and the
gliding world can only hope that 
this is successful. Together with the involuntary service fee it might keep
DG afloat and owners of LS and DG 
gliders can get the support needed to keep their gliders in the air.
 
Hopefully the concept proves viable in the medium term. If not it would be
another nail in the coffin of gliding!
 
Kind regards to all!
 
Bernard
 
  
  _  

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Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:07 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders



It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering
expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in business
someone has to pay the bills.  I guess some factories might just load up the
price of new gliders, or their repair prices, or their price for parts, in
DG's case they are asking the owners of the older gliders to pay a
subscription.  Whatever way it is done, it can never be a charity.

I'm not defending their particular business model, only observing that
there's no such thing as a free launch.


Cheers 


Tim


tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare


On 20/03/2012 10:20, Ross McLean wrote: 

Up to that point I had always had a high regard for DG. Once they pulled
that little trick I was much less impressed with them. The LS8 is such a
great glider though I am now at their mercy.

ROSS



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Trezise
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders



Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through
Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the
factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around
AUD312.



John


 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Mike Borgelt]

At 09:57 AM 20/03/2012, you wrote:
It is a bit like lifelong roadside assist but 
not built into the cost of the vehicle.



It is actually like having a gun held to your 
head by a Policeman  and your wallet contents 
extracted and given to a mugger. Come  to think 
of it that's a good working model of the welfare state.


In the DG case you have the beneficial use of 
your property expropriated by the State unless 
you pay money to the DG company. I'm sure they 
love that "business" model. Bit like a Mafia 
protection racket. Nice glider, be a pity of you weren't allowed to use it.


Is there anything in the new flight manuals that 
is particularly critical or useful that couldn't 
be handled by downloading a new page off the net? 
We've always had a system of Airworthiness 
Directives to deal with anything critical and in 
most cases the owners pay for the repairs or mods or inspections at that time.


In the DG case the factory now has the incentive 
to produce a "new" flight manual every year to 
keep the money rolling in or come up with "new" 
small modifications to "maintain airworthiness" .


The willingness of people here to have their 
bellies tickled while their wallets are stolen is a bit of a worry.


DG bought the Type certificates off  the 
Administrator of LS and Glaser Dirks(how you go 
broke while making a top performing glider (LS8) 
that is selling well, of relatively simple 
construction that sold for about the same as 
competing types is another good question) and 
know what they were getting in to in the way of 
support requirements when they did so. The older 
glider types being supported had been flying for 
15 to 25 years when this occurred. I'd think 
anything critical might have already been uncovered by then.


Then again "there are few problems which if 
looked at in just the right way cannot be made 
more difficult or expensive to solve" - Poul Anderson's Law of Aerospace.


Mike



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From: Tim Shirley
To: 
Discussion 
of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders


It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the 
paperwork and engineering expertise for the 
older gliders and if they are going to stay in 
business someone has to pay the bills.  I guess 
some factories might just load up the price of 
new gliders, or their repair prices, or their 
price for parts, in DG's case they are asking 
the owners of the older gliders to pay a 
subscription.  Whatever way it is done, it can never be a charity.


I'm not defending their particular business 
model, only observing that there's no such thing as a free launch.


Cheers


Tim



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On 20/03/2012 10:20, Ross McLean wrote:
Up to that point I had always had a high regard 
for DG. Once they pulled that little trick I 
was much less impressed with them. The LS8 is 
such a great glider though I am now at their mercy.

ROSS
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Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM
To: 
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders
Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The 
annual fee if you go through Tom is Eu190 per 
year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. 
Direct to the factory (which allows you to deal 
directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around AUD312.

John



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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Christopher Mc Donnell]

Untitled DocumentIt is a bit like lifelong roadside assist but not built into 
the cost of the vehicle.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Shirley 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders



  It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering 
expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in business 
someone has to pay the bills.  I guess some factories might just load up the 
price of new gliders, or their repair prices, or their price for parts, in DG's 
case they are asking the owners of the older gliders to pay a subscription.  
Whatever way it is done, it can never be a charity.

  I'm not defending their particular business model, only observing that 
there's no such thing as a free launch.

  Cheers 

  Tim
  tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare


  On 20/03/2012 10:20, Ross McLean wrote: 
Up to that point I had always had a high regard for DG. Once they pulled 
that little trick I was much less impressed with them. The LS8 is such a great 
glider though I am now at their mercy.

ROSS



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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders



Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through 
Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the 
factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around AUD312.



John


 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 102, Issue 24

[Mark Newton]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 07:01:33AM +1100, wayne carter wrote:
 
 > I am postulating that the damage could easily be cause if the rope was
 > wrapped AROUND the wing and dragged thus.
 > There would be inadequate pulling force to break the weak link, but plenty
 > of force to saw into the wing with an abrasive rope and friction.

That'd be my speculation too.

The load on the tow rope under normal circumstances is only in the
order of 10 - 15 kg.  Lets say something went stupidly abnormal and
increased the load by a factor of ten, that's still only 150kg, 
which would be well within the limits of even the skinny rope that
a lot of clubs use for weak links.

Beverley folks: What color TOST link do you use at the tug end of the
rope?

(during my initial aerotow training I was taught that one of the
ways to recover from a slack rope was to crack the airbrakes open.
The demonstration of the technique involved the instructor deliberately
making the rope go slack, then opening the airbrakes a bit to show
it in action.  During the demonstration the slack loop became large
enough to run behind the wing, waving gently in the breeze slightly
above the wing's top surface, and I always thought it was in a 
prime position to get snagged on the airbrake blade.  Thanks, but in
a situation like that I'd rather deal with slack loops by
sideslipping!)

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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Tim Shirley]

It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering 
expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in 
business someone has to pay the bills.  I guess some factories might 
just load up the price of new gliders, or their repair prices, or their 
price for parts, in DG's case they are asking the owners of the older 
gliders to pay a subscription.  Whatever way it is done, it can never be 
a charity.


I'm not defending their particular business model, only observing that 
there's no such thing as a free launch.


Cheers


 /Tim/

/tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/


On 20/03/2012 10:20, Ross McLean wrote:


Up to that point I had always had a high regard for DG. Once they 
pulled that little trick I was much less impressed with them. The LS8 
is such a great glider though I am now at their mercy.


ROSS

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*John Trezise

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*To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
*Subject:* [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go 
through Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. 
Direct to the factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is 
Eu250 ... around AUD312.


John



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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Ross McLean]

Up to that point I had always had a high regard for DG. Once they pulled
that little trick I was much less impressed with them. The LS8 is such a
great glider though I am now at their mercy.

ROSS

 

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To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

 

Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through
Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the
factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around
AUD312.

 

John

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[Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[John Trezise]

Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through
Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the
factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around
AUD312.

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 102, Issue 24

[wayne carter]

Re: Practice hook up procedure (Ian Mc Phee)

I am postulating that the damage could easily be cause if the rope was
wrapped AROUND the wing and dragged thus.
There would be inadequate pulling force to break the weak link, but plenty
of force to saw into the wing with an abrasive rope and friction.

Wayne Carter
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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Ross McLean]

$657.80 was the invoiced amount

ROSS

 

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Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 12:51 PM
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Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

 

Hi Ross,

 

You are fortunate you were not required to pay retrospectively for 2010 and
2011. I had to and I am pretty sure everyone else did. The rules then were
that anyone joining any time in the future would have to pay retrospectively
to 2010, and I think this is still the case for anyone who has owned their
glider since pre- 2010. The recent change just announced enables a person
purchasing a glider to only be liable to pay for the current year whereas
before the new owner would be liable for any unpaid fees for that serial
number glider dating back to 2010. I signed up directly with the factory at
the time. The LK LS gliders were signed up through Tom but I think two years
subscriptions were paid. 

 

John

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding books for sale

[Catherine Conway]

Hi Jim. I'm interested in the Welsh and Irving book if still available  since I 
lost my copy years ago.  

I'm back in the country tomorrow

Cath


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On 19/03/2012, at 2:39 PM, "Jim Hackett"  wrote:

> Hi guys:
> 
> I have the following gliding books for sale. When making an offer, include 
> something for postage (and tell me if you are not in Oz). Postage will be in 
> a safe packet from Cairns. Books 2 and 3 below look a bit old but are fine. 
> With dust jackets. Thanks. Jim Hackett.
> 
> The Cloudspotter's Guide by Gavin Pretor-Pinney
> Meteorology for Glider Pilots (third international ed.) by CE Wallington 
> New Soaring Pilot by Welch and Irving
> Streckensegelflug (in German; this means 'Cross-Country Soaring') by Helmut 
> Reichmann
> Sailplanes 1965-2006 by Martin Simons
> Advanced Soaring Made Easy (first ed.) by Bernard Eckey
> Advanced Soaring Made Easy (second ed.) by Bernard Eckey
> 
> Cheers. Jim.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Catherine Conway]

I'm in Singapore on my way back from Germany on a gliding related trip.  I 
spoke to people there about the issue and while I don't know if it's a general 
impression, people i met were not happy with the DG fee and and felt that those 
that paid it did not get value for money or good service. Some of them said 
that on multiple occasions parts were not available and would either have to be 
made by DG or the drawings were offered so the aircraft owner could have them 
made.

Cath

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On 19/03/2012, at 6:58 AM, "John Trezise" 
mailto:tre...@ozemail.com.au>> wrote:

Looks like this issue is still on the boil. Apparently the legality has been 
challenged with DG threatening to withdraw all support if it all becomes too 
hard.

One change to note though is that if you now buy an old LS or DG glider, you 
will not be liable for back payments of the license fee ... only for the 
current year fee. This was going to be an issue in the future if you purchased 
a glider which had not been subscribing (for example, under the old rules if 
you purchased one this year, you would be up for three years license fees if 
fees had not been paid by the previous owner ... at around Eu250 per year 
(less if you do it through Tom)). Probably the next stage would be to limit 
the retrospective cost to owners who have avoided paying up to now as it would 
be great if ever owner was on board.

Personally I think it is a great insurance policy and the work which has been 
done on flight and maintenance manuals, and the response to engineering queries 
I have had has been great. The list of spares available has also been growing. 
Hopefully, this will continue so that everyone sees they are continuing to get 
value for money. I did subscribe to the LS forum, but all of the issues raised 
could have been easily sorted by “expert” advice by the factory.

John
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure

[John Parncutt]

 

 

The weak link MUST be placed at the tug end of the rope, otherwise it can't
protect the tug in the event of fence strikes. 

We used to use a short length of 6mm rope as the weak link which was less
risk of damaging the glider if it were to fail. 

However we have now moved from this method to the more precise Tost weak
link with the calibrated dual links.

One thing I would suggest is that the Tost link is attached so that if it
fails the housing of the weak link stays at the tug end, which means less
bits coming back towards the glider!

 

John Parncutt

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee
Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 6:55 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure

 

My experience is a weak link at the tow plane end where it does not get
damaged by wear (dragged on ground at landing) etc and if a light glider is
used then maybe another weak link is clipped in to end of rope at glider
end.  I am not too keen on extra weight on the glider end of rope as could
do damage to glider canopies.  I believe it cut badly into rear of wing of
glider and rope eventually broke near the tug.  I am sure somebody will fill
us all in eventually

 

Ian M

On 19 March 2012 12:36,  wrote:

Though I don't understand much about this specific incident, surely having
the rope wrapped around the back of the wind would cause some of the load in
the rope to be distributed into the wing itself?  This would mean the
section of rope between the wing and the hook would be under less load than
the rest of the rope and therefor the weak link wouldn't break?

 

Just a theory

 

Tom




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To:

"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."


Cc:

 

Sent:

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Subject:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure





There is a brief report on GFA web site but no mention of why weak link
failed to break before the damage was done.  I am not trying to upset club
members.  Ian M

On 19 March 2012 10:57, Ben Jones  wrote:

What happened in WA is such a secret, the members haven't been informed yet.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders

[Mike Borgelt]

At 08:57 AM 19/03/2012, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_001E_01CD05B6.AF270850"
Content-Language: en-au

Looks like this issue is still on the boil. Apparently the legality 
has been challenged with DG threatening to withdraw all support if 
it all becomes too hard.


One change to note though is that if you now buy an old LS or DG 
glider, you will not be liable for back payments of the license fee 
... only for the current year fee. This was going to be an issue in 
the future if you purchased a glider which had not been subscribing 
(for example, under the old rules if you purchased one this year, 
you would be up for three years license fees if fees had not been 
paid by the previous owner ... at around Eu250 per year (less if 
you do it through Tom)). Probably the next stage would be to limit 
the retrospective cost to owners who have avoided paying up to now 
as it would be great if ever owner was on board.


Personally I think it is a great insurance policy and the work which 
has been done on flight and maintenance manuals, and the response to 
engineering queries I have had has been great. The list of spares 
available has also been growing. Hopefully, this will continue so 
that everyone sees they are continuing to get value for money. I did 
subscribe to the LS forum, but all of the issues raised could have 
been easily sorted by "expert" advice by the factory.


John



Yes but you get the same support from the other factories without the fee.

Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure

[Ian Mc Phee]

My experience is a weak link at the tow plane end where it does not get
damaged by wear (dragged on ground at landing) etc and if a light glider is
used then maybe another weak link is clipped in to end of rope at glider
end.  I am not too keen on extra weight on the glider end of rope as could
do damage to glider canopies.  I believe it cut badly into rear of wing of
glider and rope eventually broke near the tug.  I am sure somebody will
fill us all in eventually

Ian M

On 19 March 2012 12:36,  wrote:

> Though I don't understand much about this specific incident, surely having
> the rope wrapped around the back of the wind would cause some of the load
> in the rope to be distributed into the wing itself?  This would mean the
> section of rope between the wing and the hook would be under less load than
> the rest of the rope and therefor the weak link wouldn't break?
>
> Just a theory
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From:
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> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
>
> To:
> "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <
> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:34:48 +1100
> Subject:
> Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure
>
>
>
> There is a brief report on GFA web site but no mention of why weak link
> failed to break before the damage was done.  I am not trying to upset club
> members.  Ian M
>
> On 19 March 2012 10:57, Ben Jones  wrote:
>
>> What happened in WA is such a secret, the members haven’t been informed
>> yet.
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