[Aus-soaring] self declared fitness

[emilis prelgauskas]

On 18/05/2012, at 11:56 AM, Texler, Michael wrote:


How comfortable people feel about glider pilots flying with self
declared fitness to fly can be another topic for discussion!



Sometimes, in the rush toward having a rule to satisfy every situation,
we sometimes tend to forget that for many (a majority?)
of the 2000 sailplaners across Australia
are just flying for fun for themselves.
They risk themselves
(having had that conversation no doubt with loved ones)
often in a sailplane they own

and so the question has to be asked
what is achieved by grandma nanny
having a rule for every situation

when in the end
each glider pilot chooses to fly and takes the consequences
of that choice on themselves.

(A quite different topic is hiring a glider to someone else, flying 
more than one in the cockpit, etc.)


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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Michael Scutter]

I have a British gliding licence.
I wonder if that will count?

The German LBA accepted the British licence to fly in Germany!
 
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 From: Christopher  Mc Donnell 
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
; GGC Members 
 
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence
 

 
Citing from the CASA document 
entitled:
 
   Project FS 
12/21

      "An applicant for a CASA glider pilot 
certificate must hold a current pilot certificate issued by the GFA or another 
recognised authority"
 
(Bolding and italics are mine)
 
I have a little green book entitled:
 
 
  
FEDERATION AERONAUTIQUE
  
INTERNATIONALE
 
 
 
  AUSTRALIA
   (THE ROYAL FEDERATION 
OF
    
AERO CLUBS OF AUSTRALIA)
 
 
 
 
GLIDING CERTIFICATE
 
 
I cannot help but wonder whether that is compliant 
with the requirement above?
 
 
  
- Original Message - 
>From: Dave Long & Cath Lincoln 
>To: Discussion of issues relating  to Soaring in Australia. ; GGC Members 
>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:06 AM
>Subject: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding  licence
>
>
>Interesting.
> 
>http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935
> 
>Seems it won’t be much use to anyone unless you also have a  CASA pilot 
>licence.  Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding  licence.  There 
>will also be a number of people flying currently who  would not pass a Class 2 
>medical.
> 
>Dave Long
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Christopher Mc Donnell]

Citing from the CASA document entitled:

   Project FS 12/21

  "An applicant for a CASA glider pilot certificate must hold a current 
pilot certificate issued by the GFA or another recognised authority"

(Bolding and italics are mine)

I have a little green book entitled:


  FEDERATION AERONAUTIQUE
  INTERNATIONALE



  AUSTRALIA
   (THE ROYAL FEDERATION OF
AERO CLUBS OF AUSTRALIA)



 GLIDING CERTIFICATE


I cannot help but wonder whether that is compliant with the requirement above?


  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave Long & Cath Lincoln 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. ; GGC Members 
  Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:06 AM
  Subject: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence


  Interesting.

   

  http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935

   

  Seems it won't be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot 
licence.  Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence.  There will 
also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class 2 
medical.

   

  Dave Long



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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence, class 2 medicals

[Texler, Michael]

On the face of it, it seems like a good idea. I watch with interest.

Re requirements for a Class 2 medical, not onerous either and an
opportunity/prompt to keep yourself healthy!

>There will also be a number of people flying currently who would not
pass a Class 2 medical.

If that is the case, they would not be able to get the CASA licence,
unless they were able to have their medical problems fixed to the
satisfaction of the CASA medical office.

Being medically invalidated for your class 2 medical is not necessarily
the end of the road. Yes, there are horror stories people losing their
medical for what they feel are trivial reasons and having to fight tooth
and nail to get their Class 2 back again. But there are many other
stories of people having a health problem that does ground them
temporarily being able to manage the health problem (in consultation
with competent and sympathetic DAMEs and specialists) to the
satisfaction of CASA so that they can fly again. Don't forget your right
to a second opinion.

As it stands with GFA, pilots can make a health declaration (or have
their GP make a declaration). This relies upon trust in the individual
to be honest with themselves (and their GP).

How comfortable people feel about glider pilots flying with self
declared fitness to fly can be another topic for discussion!

Or to use the 'loved one' argument: Would you let a loved one, or family
member fly as a passenger with someone who declares their own fitness to
fly?

>From my own experience, my desire for flying has helped me maintain a
healthy way of life, because I want to remain healthy enough to do a
past-time I enjoy immensely still.

Fly safe, fly healthy

Michael Texler

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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Matt Gage]

Looks like this is very close to what people have been after for a long time - 
a way to get a license that is recognised in europe - where a Class 2 medical 
is required no matter which country you get licensed in.

I read this as if you have the new GFA certificate/license which can't be ICAO 
recognised, then you can then get the CASA license, which will be ICAO 
recognised - it's a bit of red-tape jumping to deal with international 
requirements, and for once, doesn't look too difficult to do.

It's got to be a lot cheaper, less time consuming and easier than getting a 
license from scratch in Europe - which is what some have done !


Matt

On 18/05/2012, at 11:06 , Dave Long & Cath Lincoln wrote:

> Interesting.
>  
> http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935
>  
> Seems it won’t be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot 
> licence.  Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence.  There 
> will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class 2 
> medical.
>  
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Dave Long & Cath Lincoln]

You're right; my mistake.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Scutter
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 11:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion Dave, I don't see any
requirement there for a GA licence.
Most other countries won't give you a foreign cert without a class 2
medical so if we are to be recognized by their authority (the problem
at the moment) that requirement seems reasonable.

-Matthew

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Long & Cath Lincoln
 wrote:
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935
>
>
>
> Seems it won’t be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot
> licence.  Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence.  There
> will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a
Class
> 2 medical.
>
>
>
> Dave Long
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Mark Newton]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:06:01AM +1000, Dave Long & Cath Lincoln wrote:

 > http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935
 > Seems it won't be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot
 > licence. 

Where do you read that?

I read the opposite: that it won't be much use to anyone unless
they're a GFA member ("The CASA glider pilot certificate will
only be valid while the holder continues to hold a valid GFA
pilot certificate" -- which, I gather, is the GFA GPC)

I wonder if the CAO 95.4 reference in GFA Operational Regulations
6.3.1 would enable someone to "... comply with the rules, orders,
directions and procedures contained in the GFA operational 
regulations..." without being a member?

 > Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence. 

You get to choose.  Discretionary expenditure.

  - mark
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Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Matthew Scutter]

I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion Dave, I don't see any
requirement there for a GA licence.
Most other countries won't give you a foreign cert without a class 2
medical so if we are to be recognized by their authority (the problem
at the moment) that requirement seems reasonable.

-Matthew

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Long & Cath Lincoln
 wrote:
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935
>
>
>
> Seems it won’t be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot
> licence.  Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence.  There
> will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class
> 2 medical.
>
>
>
> Dave Long
>
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[Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[Dave Long & Cath Lincoln]

Interesting.

 

http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935

 

Seems it won't be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot
licence.  Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence.  There
will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class
2 medical.

 

Dave Long

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

[Grant Davies]

Realistic suggestions Tim

 

Kindest Regards

Grant Davies

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 9:47 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Hi all,

If this effort was expended by a museum I'd be all for it.  I like to see
Tiger Moths and Spitfires flying too, but I would not propose to use them
for flying training or as front line fighters.

Instead of putting our effort into membership, promotion and state of the
art equipment, we think it is a triumph to spend heaps of money to get an
obsolete glider flying again so that we can train tomorrow's pilots in it. 

We are obviously not planning much of a future.  There must be a better way
forward, even for small operations.

Cheers 


Tim


tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare


On 18/05/2012 09:02, Grant Davies wrote: 

Hhhmmm think their fix is not really a fix. Gets them off the ground again
but does not extend the life. So makes for a very expensive patch job.

 

The real fix that extends the life of the Blanik has just been completed on
the first Australian Blanik extending its life out to 11,400 hrs
(predominantly winch launched). Although expensive the aircraft has another
50 years in it and suites our small club as an ab-initio trainer.

 

>From my understanding the guys mentioned below had nothing to do with this.
Dafydd Llewellyn's original modification was revisited and upgraded to
produce a new STC. A company (ARMCOM) has spent considerable amounts of time
and money to get set up to do these and offers to do them for the rest of
the world as well lol.

 

We don't do aeros aside from spins.

 

Kindest Regards

Grant Davies

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:27 AM
To: 'tom claffey'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Ah yes, good point Tom. Although most of the stuff they do is low speed
dives in formation with one usually inverted. The clips of their aeros are
quite gentle in reality.

I was actually just addressing the earlier question “Aren't Blaniks
grounded?”

ROSS

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem
that probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40
year old glider never really intended for aeros?

Tom

 

  _  

From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
 
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the
original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they
are also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who
has a grounded Blanik can now choose to apply.  They have designed and
implemented the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely
airborne again.

See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website  

http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_h
tml

 

“Blanix airborne again 
04/08/2011
There is progress!!
The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in
airshow circles!
Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the "up and downs"
over! Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this
world:
"Aircraft design and certification ltd", an EASA-approved "design
organization" has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the "Blanik"
problem ... with success!
Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt
intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone
calls with the whole world were required to start the project can be.
The result is now in the form of STC - "Supplemental Type Certificate" -
above. In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks
and modified subsequently.
The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project,
is probably as Many will not soon forget 
The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this
modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world
Blanik is applicable!
Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air,
would appreciate it!”

Regards, ROSS

 

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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
john.mcfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM
To: 'Discus

Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

[Grant Davies]

Hi Carl,

 

We employed ARMCOM to install the new Llewellyn mod which replaces all of
the critical parts in the wing spa and tail plane.

 

The European mod does not replace these parts but only modifies the first
could of feet of the wing spa.

 

The most critical thing about this is a Blanik with the European mod is
still and aging aircraft. A Blanik with the new Llewellyn mod is no longer
an aging aircraft because all of the critical parts that fatigue have been
replaced.

 

If you wish to get in touch with ARMCOM let me know off list and I can put
you in touch with them.

 

Kindest Regards

Grant Davies

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Carl Ricard
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 9:10 AM
To: gr...@davies.id.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

How exactly did you get your Blanik flying again?
Carl

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Grant Davies  wrote:

Hhhmmm think their fix is not really a fix. Gets them off the ground again
but does not extend the life. So makes for a very expensive patch job.

 

The real fix that extends the life of the Blanik has just been completed on
the first Australian Blanik extending its life out to 11,400 hrs
(predominantly winch launched). Although expensive the aircraft has another
50 years in it and suites our small club as an ab-initio trainer.

 

>From my understanding the guys mentioned below had nothing to do with this.
Dafydd Llewellyn's original modification was revisited and upgraded to
produce a new STC. A company (ARMCOM) has spent considerable amounts of time
and money to get set up to do these and offers to do them for the rest of
the world as well lol.

 

We don't do aeros aside from spins.

 

Kindest Regards

Grant Davies

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:27 AM
To: 'tom claffey'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'


Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Ah yes, good point Tom. Although most of the stuff they do is low speed
dives in formation with one usually inverted. The clips of their aeros are
quite gentle in reality.

I was actually just addressing the earlier question "Aren't Blaniks
grounded?"

ROSS

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem
that probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40
year old glider never really intended for aeros?

Tom

 

  _  

From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
 
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the
original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they
are also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who
has a grounded Blanik can now choose to apply.  They have designed and
implemented the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely
airborne again.

See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website  

http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_h
tml

 

"Blanix airborne again 
04/08/2011
There is progress!!
The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in
airshow circles!
Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the "up and downs"
over! Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this
world:
"Aircraft design and certification ltd", an EASA-approved "design
organization" has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the "Blanik"
problem ... with success!
Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt
intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone
calls with the whole world were required to start the project can be.
The result is now in the form of STC - "Supplemental Type Certificate" -
above. In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks
and modified subsequently.
The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project,
is probably as Many will not soon forget 
The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this
modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world
Blanik is applicable!
Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air,
would appreciate it!"

Regards, ROSS

 

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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
john.mcfarlan

Re: [Aus-soaring] Hahnweide comp

[Adam Woolley]

Another good day for Schempp-Hirth, winning all 5 classes again :)

WPP



On 2012-05-14 00:32:18 + Adam Woolley  wrote:

> 
> 1st day - miserable.
> 2nd day - epic! Congrats to Mak Ichakawa & Andy Smith on a top first day 
> result, keep it up guys :)
> 
> STD Class Day Winner: Discus 2ax
> 15m Class Day Winner: Ventus 2ax
> 18m Class Day Winner: Ventus 2axcJ
> Two-Seater Day Winner: Arcus M
> Open Class Day Winner: Nimbus 4, tied with something else...
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad
> http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012-05-12 04:27:30 + C K  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For those interested, the Hahnweide competition has started today;
>> http://wettbewerb.wolf-hirth.de/index.php
>> 
>> Tasks and results are under the menu "Aufgaben/Wertung"
>> Chris
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

[Carl Ricard]

How exactly did you get your Blanik flying again?
Carl

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Grant Davies  wrote:

> Hhhmmm think their fix is not really a fix. Gets them off the ground again
> but does not extend the life. So makes for a *very* expensive patch job.**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> The real fix that extends the life of the Blanik has just been completed
> on the first Australian Blanik extending its life out to 11,400 hrs
> (predominantly winch launched). Although expensive the aircraft has another
> 50 years in it and suites our small club as an ab-initio trainer.
>
> ** **
>
> From my understanding the guys mentioned below had nothing to do with
> this. Dafydd Llewellyn's original modification was revisited and upgraded
> to produce a new STC. A company (ARMCOM) has spent considerable amounts of
> time and money to get set up to do these and offers to do them for the rest
> of the world as well lol.
>
> ** **
>
> We don't do aeros aside from spins.
>
> ** **
>
> Kindest Regards
>
> Grant Davies
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:
> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ross McLean
> *Sent:* Friday, 18 May 2012 8:27 AM
> *To:* 'tom claffey'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
> Australia.'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
>
> ** **
>
> Ah yes, good point Tom. Although most of the stuff they do is low speed
> dives in formation with one usually inverted. The clips of their aeros are
> quite gentle in reality.
>
> I was actually just addressing the earlier question “Aren't Blaniks
> grounded?”
>
> ROSS
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net]
> *On Behalf Of *tom claffey
> *Sent:* Friday, 18 May 2012 8:17 AM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
>
> ** **
>
> Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem
> that probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40
> year old glider never really intended for aeros?
>
> Tom
>
> ** **
> --
>
> *From:* Ross McLean 
> *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' <
> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
>
> ** **
>
> These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the
> original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they
> are also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who
> has a grounded Blanik can now choose to apply.  They have designed and
> implemented the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely
> airborne again.
>
> See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website  
>
>
> http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_html
> 
>
>  
>
> “Blanix airborne again 
> 04/08/2011
> There is progress!!
> The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell
> in airshow circles!
> Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the "up and downs"
> over! Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this
> world:
> "Aircraft design and certification ltd", an EASA-approved "design
> organization" has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the "Blanik"
> problem ... with success!
> Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year
> dealt intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and
> phone calls with the whole world were required to start the project can be
> .
> The result is now in the form of STC - "Supplemental Type Certificate" -
> above. In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for
> cracks and modified subsequently.
> The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project,
> is probably as Many will not soon forget 
> The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this
> modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world
> Blanik is applicable!
> Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air,
> would appreciate it!”
>
> Regards, ROSS
>
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net]
> On Behalf Of john.mcfarlane
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
>
>  
>
> In the second image - Look at the oil canning on the lower wing surface of
> 
>
> the inverted Blanik - Between the "Bull" and Airbrake box
>
>  
>
> Redbull has enough money to maintain a shed full of exotic and very much**
> **
>
> more expensive machines.  There is no AD due on new structure

Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

[Grant Davies]

Hhhmmm think their fix is not really a fix. Gets them off the ground again but 
does not extend the life. So makes for a very expensive patch job.

 

The real fix that extends the life of the Blanik has just been completed on the 
first Australian Blanik extending its life out to 11,400 hrs (predominantly 
winch launched). Although expensive the aircraft has another 50 years in it and 
suites our small club as an ab-initio trainer.

 

>From my understanding the guys mentioned below had nothing to do with this. 
>Dafydd Llewellyn's original modification was revisited and upgraded to produce 
>a new STC. A company (ARMCOM) has spent considerable amounts of time and money 
>to get set up to do these and offers to do them for the rest of the world as 
>well lol.

 

We don't do aeros aside from spins.

 

Kindest Regards

Grant Davies

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:27 AM
To: 'tom claffey'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Ah yes, good point Tom. Although most of the stuff they do is low speed dives 
in formation with one usually inverted. The clips of their aeros are quite 
gentle in reality.

I was actually just addressing the earlier question “Aren't Blaniks grounded?”

ROSS

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem that 
probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40 year old 
glider never really intended for aeros?

Tom

 

  _  

From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
 
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the 
original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they are 
also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who has a 
grounded Blanik can now choose to apply.  They have designed and implemented 
the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely airborne again.

See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website  

http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_html

 

“Blanix airborne again 
04/08/2011
There is progress!!
The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in 
airshow circles!
Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the "up and downs" over! 
Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this world:
"Aircraft design and certification ltd", an EASA-approved "design organization" 
has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the "Blanik" problem ... with 
success!
Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt 
intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone calls 
with the whole world were required to start the project can be.
The result is now in the form of STC - "Supplemental Type Certificate" - above. 
In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks and 
modified subsequently.
The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project, is 
probably as Many will not soon forget 
The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this 
modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world 
Blanik is applicable!
Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air, would 
appreciate it!”

Regards, ROSS

 

-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of john.mcfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

In the second image - Look at the oil canning on the lower wing surface of

the inverted Blanik - Between the "Bull" and Airbrake box

 

Redbull has enough money to maintain a shed full of exotic and very much

more expensive machines.  There is no AD due on new structures, me

personally I would have just replaced the entire Attach and Carry through

items and Wings with new ones.  Not even a challenging job to replace if you

make decisions like that - and would still much cheaper than new glass.

 

-Original Message-

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net

[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete

Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 7:08 PM

To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:39:57 +1000

Mike Borgelt  wrote:

 

Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

[Ross McLean]

Ah yes, good point Tom. Although most of the stuff they do is low speed dives 
in formation with one usually inverted. The clips of their aeros are quite 
gentle in reality.

I was actually just addressing the earlier question “Aren't Blaniks grounded?”

ROSS

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem that 
probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40 year old 
glider never really intended for aeros?

Tom

 

  _  

From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
 
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the 
original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they are 
also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who has a 
grounded Blanik can now choose to apply.  They have designed and implemented 
the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely airborne again.

See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website  

http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_html

 

“Blanix airborne again 
04/08/2011
There is progress!!
The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in 
airshow circles!
Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the "up and downs" over! 
Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this world:
"Aircraft design and certification ltd", an EASA-approved "design organization" 
has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the "Blanik" problem ... with 
success!
Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt 
intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone calls 
with the whole world were required to start the project can be.
The result is now in the form of STC - "Supplemental Type Certificate" - above. 
In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks and 
modified subsequently.
The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project, is 
probably as Many will not soon forget 
The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this 
modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world 
Blanik is applicable!
Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air, would 
appreciate it!”

Regards, ROSS

 

-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of john.mcfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

In the second image - Look at the oil canning on the lower wing surface of

the inverted Blanik - Between the "Bull" and Airbrake box

 

Redbull has enough money to maintain a shed full of exotic and very much

more expensive machines.  There is no AD due on new structures, me

personally I would have just replaced the entire Attach and Carry through

items and Wings with new ones.  Not even a challenging job to replace if you

make decisions like that - and would still much cheaper than new glass.

 

-Original Message-

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net

[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete

Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 7:08 PM

To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio

 

On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:39:57 +1000

Mike Borgelt  wrote:

 

> At 08:24 AM 16/05/2012, you wrote:

> >I wondered what the glide ratio of those flying suits was.

> >

> >

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144792/Redbull-skydivers-skies-high

-Austria.html

> 

> 

> Looking at the pictures, about 2

> 

> Aren't Blaniks grounded? Or at least non aerobatic?

 

uhm, Red Bull? Adrenalin, stunts? Flying Blaniks is part of the act.

 

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[tom claffey]

Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem that 
probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40 year old 
glider never really intended for aeros?
Tom




 From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
 
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
 

These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the 
original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they are 
also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who has a 
grounded Blanik can now choose to apply.  They have designed and implemented 
the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely airborne again.
See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website  
http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_html
 
“Blanixairborne again 
04/08/2011
There is progress!!
The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in 
airshow circles!
Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the "up and downs" over! 
Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this world:
"Aircraft design and certification ltd", an EASA-approved "design organization" 
has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the "Blanik" problem ... with 
success!
Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt 
intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone calls 
with the whole world were required to start the project can be.
The result is now in the form of STC - "Supplemental Type Certificate" - above. 
In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks and 
modified subsequently.
The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project, is 
probably as Many will not soon forget 
The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this 
modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world 
Blanik is applicable!
Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air, would 
appreciate it!”
Regards, ROSS
 
-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of john.mcfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
 
In the second image - Look at the oil canning on the lower wing surface of
the inverted Blanik - Between the "Bull" and Airbrake box
 
Redbull has enough money to maintain a shed full of exotic and very much
more expensive machines.  There is no AD due on new structures, me
personally I would have just replaced the entire Attach and Carry through
items and Wings with new ones.  Not even a challenging job to replace if you
make decisions like that - and would still much cheaper than new glass.
 
-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 7:08 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
 
On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:39:57 +1000
Mike Borgelt  wrote:
 
> At 08:24 AM 16/05/2012, you wrote:
> >I wondered what the glide ratio of those flying suits was.
> >
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144792/Redbull-skydivers-skies-high
-Austria.html
> 
> 
> Looking at the pictures, about 2
> 
> Aren't Blaniks grounded? Or at least non aerobatic?
 
uhm, Red Bull? Adrenalin, stunts? Flying Blaniks is part of the act.
 
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[Aus-soaring] Darling Downs weather for the weekend of 19 - 20 May 2012 - updated

[Robert Hart]

  
  
Hi folks

The updated weekend forecast is available at http://the-white-knight-speaks.blogspot.com.au
and it should be a good weekend, but now with some cloud possible on
both days. Take your winter woolies with you though, as the nights
are going to be cold!!!

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Carbon jets

[Mike Borgelt]

At 08:07 PM 17/05/2012, you wrote:

Hi Jim,

Exposure, as you know, is a function of altitude, time at altitude, 
latitude and as with the B787, structure.
So if you're a long- haul pilot flying over the poles (eg. Asia to 
the USA) in a B787 the radiation dosage should be higher.


Long-haul airline unions have been trying to append some science to 
the debate for a good decade or so but the big airline corporations 
aren't about to do anything that will cost either money or 
productivity or open up any pathway that may ultimately lead to 
compensation. Small airlines can barely afford to survive let alone 
give away productivity on poorly articulated issues like radiation. 
The science is about as well defined as that surrounding climate 
change. The science behind fatigue and flight time limitations is 
finally on the front burner but the radiation issue has barely been addressed.


I guess the argument with passengers is that they are infrequent 
travelers compared to aircrew so not worthy of consideration.


I remember years ago doing my annual medical with the Qantas doc, 
Ion Morrison, who in a throw-away comment said that he was concerned 
by what he saw as a serious uptrend in tumors amongst flight crew.


Best regards,
Brian DuRieu




Then again just this morning:

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-prolonged-exposure-dose-rate-poses-dna.html

I'd worry more about the circadian disrythmia than radiation for 
airline crews. Likely this has an effect on the body's immune system.


Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Carbon jets

[Brian Du Rieu]

Hi Jim,

Exposure, as you know, is a function of altitude, time at altitude, latitude 
and as with the B787, structure. 
So if you're a long- haul pilot flying over the poles (eg. Asia to the USA) 
 in a B787 the radiation dosage should be higher. 

Long-haul airline unions have been trying to append some science to the debate 
for a good decade or so but the big airline corporations aren't about to do 
anything that will cost either money or productivity or open up any pathway 
that may ultimately lead to compensation. Small airlines can barely afford to 
survive let alone give away productivity on poorly articulated issues like 
radiation. The science is about as well defined as that surrounding climate 
change. The science behind fatigue and flight time limitations is finally on 
the front burner but the radiation issue has barely been addressed.

I guess the argument with passengers is that they are infrequent travelers 
compared to aircrew so not worthy of consideration.

I remember years ago doing my annual medical with the Qantas doc, Ion Morrison, 
who in a throw-away comment said that he was concerned by what he saw as a 
serious uptrend in tumors amongst flight crew.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Carbon jets

[Mike Borgelt]

At 07:39 PM 17/05/2012, you wrote:
For all the airline pilots out there: With the 787 being a mostly 
carbon fuselage, anyone know what the increase in radiation dose is 
to crew and passengers. The old ali jets would have filtered 
(attenuated) some rays but carbon is totally radiolucent. Anyone 
ever questioned this?


Jim




AFAIK aluminium is terrible. It creates lots of high energy 
secondaries from the initial cosmic ray (Spalling).


Low atomic weight is usually desirable for radiation protection. 
Hydrogen in the form of water or plastics like polyethylene (which 
also has lots of carbon atoms) is good.


With high altitude aircraft, X-rays aren't the problem. Cosmic 
rays(solar protons) and higher atomic weight nucleii from galactic 
cosmic rays are.


Mike


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[Aus-soaring] Carbon jets

[Jim crowhurst]

For all the airline pilots out there: With the 787 being a mostly carbon 
fuselage, anyone know what the increase in radiation dose is to crew and 
passengers. The old ali jets would have filtered (attenuated) some rays but 
carbon is totally radiolucent. Anyone ever questioned this?

Jim

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