Re: [Aus-soaring] Tail dolly

[DMcD]

There's a great story (from memory) from a book on pioneer aviation…

The pilot and passenger took off on a test flight of a prototype
aircraft. The passenger was an apprentice who had very recently joined
the company. The aircraft was an open twin cockpit biplane with two
pusher props. The engines were mounted high between the upper and
lower wings so that the arcs of the spinning propellors almost meshed
over the fuselage.

After climbing out, the pilot realised that he did not have enough
elevator authority to control the aircraft and of course they did not
have parachutes. He yelled to the passenger to climb out of his seat
and join him in the other cockpit to balance the plane.

The apprentice had to crawl along the top of the fuselage which was
probably nice and flat, but he had to crawl below and between the arcs
of the props, no doubt keeping his head well down.

And after that they landed fine… and some years later, the apprentice
went on to become the chairman of BOAC and no doubt had a healthy
respect for weight and balance.

D

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[Aus-soaring] First 750+ KM hang glider flights

[Bernie Baer]

 Queenslander Jonny Durand and American pilot Dustin Martin flew 760Km
today in Texas, surpassing the previous Open Distance record of 700Km.
See the Spot tracks at: 

http://chorlton.homeip.net/spotmap/zapata.html

(Need to select Jonny and Dustin on the LHS).
Looks like Jonny is driving around Lubbock, Tx right now with his Spot
still turned on.   
Yes, they had a tailwind.   :-)
 


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Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

[Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON]

BUT not all gliders are fitted with FLARM !

We would have to make them compulsory too.

Stuart FERGUSON 
Phone - 0419 797508


On 04/07/2012, at 13:03, tom claffey  wrote:

> REX could buy Flarms of course! ;] I would be happy if they made them 
> mandatory.
> After all, it is them wanting us to change, we outnumber them as well.
> Tom
> From: Mike Borgelt 
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
>  
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story
> 
> At 11:21 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:
>> Forwarded from Kim Taylor:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>>  
>> This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the regional
>> airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders. 
>> 
>> Rex had a near miss  involving a glider and one of their air ambulances.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Link to story : http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3538383.htm
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Kim T
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> 
> It would be nice if the GFA spokesperson got his facts straight.
> 
> A transponder like a Trig TT21 or 22 draws only 300mA or so and that includes 
> the altitude encoder. It fits a sub 57mm hole and is in two parts so the bit 
> in the panel is very short.
> 
> Not only that it is ADSB ready so it only needs a suitable approved GPS unit 
> and it is an ADSB OUT solution. Can be had for $2500 currently, maybe a bit 
> less. The only issue with ADSB OUT is the "approved"GPS source and this is an 
> area where some intelligent lobbying will pay. (God help us if the GFA does 
> this)
> 
> Claiming size/weight/power problems is a joke when power hungry colour moving 
> map displays draw around 500mA and new battery technology allows over 2.5 
> times the energy storage for less weight than the old sealed lead acid tech.
> 
> I find a fair number of RAAus aircraft don't have transponders either and 
> these will be as much of a hazard as gliders to Air Ambulance and Regional 
> airline ops although the RAAus guys seem to be better at radio use. I guess 
> Rex have TCAS in their Air Ambulances as otherwise you need to be in radar 
> coverage at least with Mode C. The Trig is a Mode S transponder BTW(includes 
> Mode C).
> 
> Imagine if the ABC found out that glider pilots are unlicensed.
> 
> Mike
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tail Dolly

[tom claffey]

The tow-rope was released by BOTH the tow-plane and the glider?
As I said earlier, if tow is stable I would want to climb to 3000' to do a 
handling check followed by a probably higher speed circuit or parachute down.
Once the combination is airborne a radio call will invariably hinder rather 
than help. [except perhaps airbrakes out.]  
We can leave parachutes in 2 seaters to another day. ;]
Tom




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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tail Dolly
 


Last sentence. A clue?

http://www.kfdm.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.tx/32466fe1-www.kfdm.com.shtml 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

[tom claffey]

REX could buy Flarms of course! ;] I would be happy if they made them mandatory.

After all, it is them wanting us to change, we outnumber them as well.

Tom



 From: Mike Borgelt 
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
 
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story
 

At 11:21 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:

Forwarded from Kim
Taylor:
>
>Hi All,
>
> 
>This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the
regional
>airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders. 
>
>Rex had a near miss  involving a glider and one of their air
ambulances.
>
> 
>
>Link to story : http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3538383.htm
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Regards,
>
> 
>
>Kim T
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It would be nice if the GFA spokesperson got his facts straight.

A transponder like a Trig TT21 or 22 draws only 300mA or so and that
includes the altitude encoder. It fits a sub 57mm hole and is in two
parts so the bit in the panel is very short.

Not only that it is ADSB ready so it only needs a suitable approved GPS
unit and it is an ADSB OUT solution. Can be had for $2500 currently,
maybe a bit less. The only issue with ADSB OUT is the
"approved"GPS source and this is an area where some intelligent
lobbying will pay. (God help us if the GFA does this)

Claiming size/weight/power problems is a joke when power hungry colour
moving map displays draw around 500mA and new battery technology allows
over 2.5 times the energy storage for less weight than the old sealed
lead acid tech.

I find a fair number of RAAus aircraft don't have transponders either and
these will be as much of a hazard as gliders to Air Ambulance and
Regional airline ops although the RAAus guys seem to be better at radio
use. I guess Rex have TCAS in their Air Ambulances as otherwise you need
to be in radar coverage at least with Mode C. The Trig is a Mode S
transponder BTW(includes Mode C).

Imagine if the ABC found out that glider pilots are unlicensed.

Mike
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Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

[Mike Borgelt]

At 11:21 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:

Forwarded from Kim Taylor:

Hi All,


This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the regional
airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders.

Rex had a near miss  involving a glider and one of their air ambulances.



Link to story : http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3538383.htm





Regards,



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It would be nice if the GFA spokesperson got his facts straight.

A transponder like a Trig TT21 or 22 draws only 300mA or so and that 
includes the altitude encoder. It fits a sub 57mm hole and is in two 
parts so the bit in the panel is very short.


Not only that it is ADSB ready so it only needs a suitable approved 
GPS unit and it is an ADSB OUT solution. Can be had for $2500 
currently, maybe a bit less. The only issue with ADSB OUT is the 
"approved"GPS source and this is an area where some intelligent 
lobbying will pay. (God help us if the GFA does this)


Claiming size/weight/power problems is a joke when power hungry 
colour moving map displays draw around 500mA and new battery 
technology allows over 2.5 times the energy storage for less weight 
than the old sealed lead acid tech.


I find a fair number of RAAus aircraft don't have transponders either 
and these will be as much of a hazard as gliders to Air Ambulance and 
Regional airline ops although the RAAus guys seem to be better at 
radio use. I guess Rex have TCAS in their Air Ambulances as otherwise 
you need to be in radar coverage at least with Mode C. The Trig is a 
Mode S transponder BTW(includes Mode C).


Imagine if the ABC found out that glider pilots are unlicensed.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tail Dolly

[Mike Borgelt]

Thanks Derek,

I'll have a look later.

Mike

At 11:32 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:
We used to operate IS28's at Camden, and I have 300 hours flying 
them(mostly 20 minute flights...)

They spin very nicely and predictably but are sensitive to c of g.
I flew one once with the front seat passenger (weighed) just over 
the placard limit. At about 100 feet we hit a thermal: the nose rose 
and continued to do so despite application of full forward stick. I 
thought my number was up and was reaching for the release when the 
glider suddenly responded and a normal airotow resumed. Very scary.


I've attached the w&b for an American IS28 fyi



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At 07:47 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:


Last sentence. A clue?

http://www.kfdm.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.tx/32466fe1-www.kfdm.com.shtml 


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No. It could just have easily been the kid in the front seat 
grabbing the stick. Or his mother. Maybe a result of panic from the 
radio warning.


I'm cool with consenting adults only, flying in gliders. i.e. you 
must be 18 or older.


Perhaps somebody here operates an IS28? If so please give us the 
weight and balance numbers and cockpit placards and we can see what 
5 to 7 Kg of tail dolly left on can do.


There have been numerous instances of gliders flying quite 
successfully with the dolly attached. It is also a fact that gliders 
are tested with the C of G 20mm behind the placarded aft limit 
including spin recoveries.


I agree with Tom. Radio warnings can hurt as much as they help. 
Haven't we had a couple of nasty damage accidents which would have 
only been normal belly landings if not for the last moment attempts 
to get the gear down?


This season has been a terrible one so far in North Amercia for 
fatalities. One 11000 hour pilot and aircraft mechanic on r.a.s. 
recently said he maybe should maybe reconsider his involvement in the activity.


Mike

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[Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

[Texler, Michael]

Forwarded from Kim Taylor:

Hi All,

 
This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the regional
airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders. 

Rex had a near miss  involving a glider and one of their air ambulances.

 

Link to story : http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3538383.htm

 

 

Regards,

 

Kim T

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

[Geoff Vincent]

Hi folks,

To all who responded to my query - thanks for the ideas, tips and 
recommendations, much appreciated.


Regards,

Geoff V

At 05:09 PM 3/07/2012, Scott Penrose wrote:

Eucalyptus. Works great.

Sent from my iPhone

On 03/07/2012, at 16:51, Geoff Vincent  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Can anyone recommend a product that can be used safely on a 
polyurethane 2-pack finish to remove the adhesive residue from 
double-sided tape, left behind when old mylar seals are taken 
off?  I'm sure whatever is available would need blending with 
plenty of elbow grease.

>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff V
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tail Dolly

[Mike Borgelt]

At 07:47 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:


Last sentence. A clue?

http://www.kfdm.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.tx/32466fe1-www.kfdm.com.shtml 


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No. It could just have easily been the kid in the front seat grabbing 
the stick. Or his mother. Maybe a result of panic from the radio warning.


I'm cool with consenting adults only, flying in gliders. i.e. you 
must be 18 or older.


Perhaps somebody here operates an IS28? If so please give us the 
weight and balance numbers and cockpit placards and we can see what 5 
to 7 Kg of tail dolly left on can do.


There have been numerous instances of gliders flying quite 
successfully with the dolly attached. It is also a fact that gliders 
are tested with the C of G 20mm behind the placarded aft limit 
including spin recoveries.


I agree with Tom. Radio warnings can hurt as much as they help. 
Haven't we had a couple of nasty damage accidents which would have 
only been normal belly landings if not for the last moment attempts 
to get the gear down?


This season has been a terrible one so far in North Amercia for 
fatalities. One 11000 hour pilot and aircraft mechanic on r.a.s. 
recently said he maybe should maybe reconsider his involvement in the activity.


Mike
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[Aus-soaring] Tail Dolly

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Last sentence. A clue?http://www.kfdm.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.tx/32466fe1-www.kfdm.com.shtml ___
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

[Rob Wintulich]

De-Solv-it, 
Sticky Spot and Stain Remover
Natural Citrus Base
Manufactured by RCR International P/L, Level 2, 3 Joseph Avenue, Chifley 
Business Park, Moorabbin Airport, Vic. 3194

Thoroughly recommend this product for softening and dissolving accryllic 
adhesive as used in most adhesive tapes, stickers and signwriting vinyl 
porducts.  I have never found it to react adversly with any substrates.  
Available in most supermarkets.  I keep a 750ml spray bottle on hand always and 
it lasts 'forever'.  I believe Oomph is very similar.

Rob W
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  I use a a commercial product called "Oomph" available at supermarkets etc.
  It is a universal glue solvent used for taking all those pesky labels off new 
stuff and thus is very benign. 


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  Mike, do you have a particular commercial product in mind?

  Geoff V

  At 05:12 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:

Hi Geoff,

I just used wax and grease remover on some tape residue on the BD4 with 2 
pack Pu finish. Works OK. Best if you cover it so it can soak for a while ie 
newspaper strips cover with plastic.


Mike

At 04:43 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:

  Hi folks,

  Can anyone recommend a product that can be used safely on a polyurethane 
2-pack finish to remove the adhesive residue from double-sided tape, left 
behind when old mylar seals are taken off?  I'm sure whatever is available 
would need blending with plenty of elbow grease.

  Thanks,

  Geoff V

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tail dolly

[tom claffey]

On of the things I take from this is not to simply release if someone on the 
ground yells "abort, abort, abort" or "get-off, get-off, get-off"!!
This was already in my mind after Clem Bowman's accident about 12 years ago. 
[if he had not heeded that call he may have been able to use the chute from a 
stable tow to height!]

Whatever the C of G or state of the glider they can probably be fixed with 
altitude or speed, neither of which you have if you get off low.
While still on the ground then of course get off ASAP.
Something to think about!
Tom




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>>None of which tells us about the actual weight and balance state of the 
>>aircraft at the time.
>>Still sounds like a stall /spin.

The engine on a DG-400 weighs about 60 kgs and sits entirely behind
the CofG of the glider. If you remove it completely, to compensate,
you fit just a 1 kg weight just in front of the tail wheel.

What does the average tail dolly weigh? 5-7 kgs?  It's only a guess
but that would affect the weight and balance wouldn't it?

Another issue is centre of pressure movement with varying angle of
attack. (Are we allowed to talk about centre of pressure movement
these days?) Some foils are very much more sensitive to angle of
attack and I suppose if these factors contributed to a stall and
resulting spin, then you are of course correct… it still sounds like a
stall/spin. Caused by the tail dolly weight out on the end of a long
lever.

D

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

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I use a a commercial product called "Oomph" available at supermarkets etc.It is a universal glue solvent used for taking all those pesky labels off new stuff and thus is very benign. 


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Hi Geoff,I just used wax and grease remover on some tape residue on the BD4 with 2 pack Pu finish. Works OK. Best if you cover it so it can soak for a while ie newspaper strips cover with plastic.MikeAt 04:43 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:
Hi folks,Can anyone recommend a product that can be used safely on a polyurethane 2-pack finish to remove the adhesive residue from double-sided tape, left behind when old mylar seals are taken off?  I'm sure whatever is available would need blending with plenty of elbow grease.Thanks,Geoff V___Aus-soaring mailing listAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netTo check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978www.borgeltinstruments.comtel:   07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784mob: 042835 5784 :  int+61-42835 5784P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___Aus-soaring mailing listAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netTo check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___Aus-soaring mailing listAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netTo check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

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I use a a commercial product called "Oomph" available at supermarkets etc.It is a universal glue solvent used for taking all those pesky labels off new stuff and thus is very benign. 


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Hi Geoff,I just used wax and grease remover on some tape residue on the BD4 with 2 pack Pu finish. Works OK. Best if you cover it so it can soak for a while ie newspaper strips cover with plastic.MikeAt 04:43 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

[Geoff Vincent]

Mike, do you have a particular commercial product in mind?

Geoff V

At 05:12 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:

Hi Geoff,

I just used wax and grease remover on some tape residue on the BD4 
with 2 pack Pu finish. Works OK. Best if you cover it so it can soak 
for a while ie newspaper strips cover with plastic.



Mike

At 04:43 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:

Hi folks,

Can anyone recommend a product that can be used safely on a 
polyurethane 2-pack finish to remove the adhesive residue from 
double-sided tape, left behind when old mylar seals are taken 
off?  I'm sure whatever is available would need blending with 
plenty of elbow grease.


Thanks,

Geoff V

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

[Mike Borgelt]

Hi Geoff,

I just used wax and grease remover on some tape residue on the BD4 
with 2 pack Pu finish. Works OK. Best if you cover it so it can soak 
for a while ie newspaper strips cover with plastic.



Mike

At 04:43 PM 3/07/2012, you wrote:

Hi folks,

Can anyone recommend a product that can be used safely on a 
polyurethane 2-pack finish to remove the adhesive residue from 
double-sided tape, left behind when old mylar seals are taken 
off?  I'm sure whatever is available would need blending with plenty 
of elbow grease.


Thanks,

Geoff V

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Removal of double-sided tape adhesive residue

[Scott Penrose]

Eucalyptus. Works great. 

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On 03/07/2012, at 16:51, Geoff Vincent  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Can anyone recommend a product that can be used safely on a polyurethane 
> 2-pack finish to remove the adhesive residue from double-sided tape, left 
> behind when old mylar seals are taken off?  I'm sure whatever is available 
> would need blending with plenty of elbow grease.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geoff V
> 
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