Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
Adam, that you can, beware if push comes to shove as I understand it the blue licence you get from the BGA is still not assured by the UK CAA to be ICAO compliant. Why don't you chase around and get a proper EU licence from say the Dutch or somewherewhere they are not going to push the local language issue and let you do it in english. Ron On 28/03/2013, at 15:23, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Great Question Ron, I got what you were chasing straight up. I'm in the same boat for many of my future championships around the glove. For the others that haven't figured out the Question: Can I go to a Lithuanian competition and compete in a German registered glider; or Can I go to a Polish competition with a Slovakian registered glider; or Can I go to a Slovakian competition with a French registered glider: or etc One thing I can answer, when I obtain a BGA license I'll be able to fly a Finnish glider at the Finland Pre-WGC this year. Cheers, WPP On 28/03/2013, at 5:36 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License
All true I guess but the insurance is the real issue at the end of the day, they don't have to pay up unless you are TOTLLY within the law! On 28/03/2013, at 17:41, Terry Home terrycub...@bigpond.com wrote: Sounds like you have too many licenses Ron! Just put them all on the table and you should be right. Lucky for you, most Italian gliders are registered in Germany as the taxes etc are lower. My experience has been that you need to get an equivalence in the country of registration. Italian, French Norwegian. My Gfa white card plus a BGA 'licence' plus any other bit of paper and some patience resulted in the approval. Norway was easiest, basically a check flight. The more international your license the less patience you need. The ICAO language on the new Australian GPL should make it easier. Comments indicate that flying a German registered glider is the hardest. Terry Sent from my iPhone On 28/03/2013, at 5:40 PM, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Stephen, I am pretty sure that you have got the right answer. The issue for Aussies who go there in the future with the new GPC will be to get that endorsement or validation on their licence from the authority that registered the glider they are going to fly, you are right and that is the key. The present Blue license that the BGA issues is the same kind of con that we do (or used to) in that it is not ICAO compliant. What they are presently doing i guess is to get it so and then EASA compliant but at the mo it is not. Bureaucracy dontcha love it?? I rang the CASA the other day to ask why the endorsement self launching Glider was taken off my ATPL years ago. They said oh you can still fly your Nimbus 3 DM on your ATPL, just don't turn the motor off!! LOL CRY CRY Another one for you all, Do I need a bi-annual check in order to fly little aeroplanes, if I have six monthly tests and licence renewals renewals at work on my Aus ATPL?? R On 28 March 2013 14:36, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Ron, This is my understanding from digging into it a few years ago (and getting a French recognition of my PPL**). Hope it make sense to you. 1. To fly an aircraft registered to a particular country you need a matching license* issued by the country of aircraft registration. 2. The license can be one normally issued by the particular country or there can be some hoops to jump through where they will recognise a foreign license and and deem that equivalent (to some or all of the national license). 3. If you are legally flying a partcular countries registered aircraft, you may legally fly it into, out of, or inside a foriegn country provided that you meet the customs/border controls etc between the two. 4. There are effectively no controls between most (all?) European states due to an agreement in place for some years (Schengen treaty) So the real answer. Yes, you can fly an Italian glider in a German competition _if_ you have your license accepted by the Italians. *The big issue that we have (had) is that glider pilots in Australia (and UK and NZ) _dont_ (didn't) have a license. At least not one recognised by most foreign countries. **My French endorsement said something along the lines of can excercise all the priviledges of his license and as my PPL only had single engine below 5700kg and didn't have any glider endorsement I couldn't fly French gliders even though I have much more time in gliders than power. Regards SWK - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:58:32 +0800 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider Pilots License Guys , I have question regards this new license - if i get one and just say the selectors went stark raving mad and i got to represent Australia to attend an international competition in say Germany, And the only glider I could rent or hire was an Itialian one, can i fly it in German airspace?? Interested. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change
Re: [Aus-soaring] Spam:*******, Re: Glider Pilots License
Thanks wombat! R On 28/03/2013, at 20:25, Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au wrote: Ron and others Once the EASA licence happens any EU country will accept it to fly a glider registered in any EU country - your ATPL privileges apply to any aircraft registered in the country that issued the licence, or in any country that officially accepts or validates it. There is a formal treaty between Australia and New Zealand that does that, except that you must register a NZ licence to use it here or get an Australian one, whilst the kiwis just allow you to use the CASA licence. It is all part of the Chicago Convention that ICAO is based on, set up to regularise international air travel and dating from 1944. Some countries allow any suitably qualified pilot to fly their registered aircraft in the country of the pilot's licence, usually only for private flights. Others accept an Australian licence for private VFR flights in their airspace - the UK is one of those. Others again will issue a limited licence to Australian licence holders, and it is only valid while the 'home' licence and medical are valid. An Australian 'Special Pilot Licence' is a bit like this but allows either the medical certificate of the licence-issuing country or an Australian medical. Don't ask if the driver's licence medical works with a special pilot licence, I have not got that piece of information yet! However this licence is only for day VFR private flights, not night VFR or IFR. CASA only cancelled the project to issue a glider pilot licence recently, after the Part 61 rules were signed off, not out of malice but because the law already exists and will be in force from 4 December this year. It is unlikely they would have got a CAO in place any earlier as all such work ceases in the period before a Federal election. Now all you have to hope for is that the Europeans will accept the Part 61 Glider Pilot Licence, even if it is fully compliant with the ICAO Glider Pilot Licence in Annex 1. I think it will be, as it needs a Class 2 medical as a minimum. On your related question about BFR, any check for the issue or renewal of an aeroplane endorsement or rating qualifies as an aeroplane BFR and any licence includes the privileges of the lower category licence, so your Instrument Rating renewal covers a light aeroplane BFR. And the reason the SLG rating disappeared was that self launching gliders were moved into the single engine aeroplane below 5700 kg endorsement about 15 years ago, so the quote about not turning the engine off is *cks provided you have the current glider qualification (but the CASA person you asked seems not to know the history - most of them are junior or contract call centre staff and not all the Inspectors know the reasons either.) (Not unique to Australia!) Stephen scored 99%. There are a few minor points of air law that vary from country to country, particularly at the sub-ICAO recreational level, but the aviation law is to obey the rules of the country you are in. The Customs and Quarantine laws must be observed but not for aviation reasons, just compliance with different international treaties. Hope this answers everyone's questions - if you have others ask me off line please and I will try to answer, or refer you to someone who can give a definitive answer. Wombat Sent from my iPad On 28/03/2013, at 9:30 PM, opsw...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Ron, whole thing's academic. Casa canned the glider pilots licence. It will become part of the new part 61 when they promulgate it. . Topic: Closure of Standards Development Project – FS 12/21 Jill Collinge (CASA) posted 26 March 2013 15:29 Dear Flight Crew Licensing Standards Sub-committee Members Please be advised of the closure of Standards Development project – FS 12/21 - Early Implementation of CASR Part 61 provisions - CASA Glider Pilot Licence This project has been cancelled due to the imminent implementation of CASR Part 61 which contains the required licence provisions. Full details of the archived project can be found at: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts...MS:PWA::pc=PC_100935 Kind regards Jill Collinge Standards Division So stop worrying... Peter Heath Terry Home terrycub...@bigpond.com wrote: = Sounds like you have too many licenses Ron! Just put them all on the table and you should be right. Lucky for you, most Italian gliders are registered in Germany as the taxes etc are lower. My experience has been that you need to get an equivalence in the country of registration. Italian, French Norwegian. My Gfa white card plus a BGA 'licence' plus any other bit of paper and some patience resulted in the approval. Norway was easiest, basically a check flight. The more international your license the less patience you need. The ICAO language on the new
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bird strike
Tell us more. Do we need to add Evasive Air Combat Manoeuvring to our skill set? Mike At 07:29 PM 30/03/2013, you wrote: Rip eagle 29/03/2013. Missed out on flying today down one glider. Had a few close calls over the years this eagle was dead was serious. Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bird strike
On 31/03/2013, at 10:21 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Tell us more. Do we need to add Evasive Air Combat Manoeuvring to our skill set? I think the eagles are better at that bit than we are :) - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Scales Weight Loss
Yes Gary, we did have the scales and I think I remember passing them on to Lisa Trotter. Although I could be wrong there. They were, I think, GFA property. Don't know why you didn't ask me at the time as I had to deal with all Maurie's things! I will try to look out the stuff Maurie I did on the weight loss during flight. It was quite often about 2kg or more. I think I still have all the heart rate info too. I don't know if Maurie published it all. If so, it would be in one of the A4 type SGs. Gary, I will look out all the files on this and pass them on to you if you are interested. Ann On 31/03/2013 12:00, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Interesting that you mention a comparison with motorsport. MaurieBradley (Bradney)(who incidentally, as National Coach at that time, originally set up the first visits to the AIS), liked to draw a comparison with marathon runners. You mention doing weighing to measure water consumption. You do not have to do this. If you started a flight with 5 law of drinking water and ended with 3 law left, then it is quite obvious that you consumed 2 law! This means nothing! However, among the many things that Maurie did to advance our sport (almost certainly for the first time anywhere in the world), was that he did a great deal of actual weighing of competition pilots, before and after a flight.[In passing, I might mention that he also fitted out - generally the same pilots who agreed to being weighed - many pilots with a heart rate monitor. It would seem reasonable that these would give a level of stress, when correlated against the pilots verbal report. (and maybe GPS data - this may have been before GPS was available???) Anyway, under stress, glider pilots routinely recorded heart rates of well over 200 .Personally, I do not find this surprising. Re weight loss, what Maurie found out was that inevitably, there was a significant daily weight loss of pilots flying in competitions. Ann Woolf , can you give us more detail? I am sure that Maurie must have published this data, and of major importance, the conclusions he drew. Matthew, what you must understand is that in this weighing, a set of bathroom scales WILL NOT DO. Maurie used scales that measured to within a few grams. Obviously these scales cost a whole lot more than everyday bathroom scales. A figure that springs to mind is $400 at the time. However I am prepared to be corrected on this. After Maurie died, I enquired as to the whereabouts of these scales. I first contacted Cath Conway and then Bernard Eckley , both being RTO Sports SA around this time. Each denied having the scales, although knowing about them. It is highly unlikely that the scales were sent to the local tip. So I wonder where these scales ended up? Who has a VERY accurate set of bathroom scales? Gary ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
