Re: [Aus-soaring] cable pinouts
I just got this froma customer who was having trouble connecting an Oudie to B500. Looks like the cable pinout numbering is causing more problems and confusing everybody! Mike, I finally got it! The pinouts on the Oudie cable were different than shown on their website!! Thanks for your help!!! Frank -- Mike Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Certainly not easy to write as you say Tim; I remember Dad sitting down & writing a 2000 line pascal code program called, FAST: Flight Analysis Software Tool. Not sure how long it took Dad to make it though. George Lee used this program for his courses before SeeYou was out. An American code writer approached Dad to use the code, but turn it into a visual presentation like SeeYou, rather than Dads data only version. They wanted to call it, FASTER: Flight Analysis Software Tool - Enhanced Results SeeYou then came onto the market, SeeYou did a great job, FASTER was dropped as naturally it was a big job to transform it as far as SeeYou took it at that point. I wonder how much faster the WC's & other competitors of the past could've gone if they had access to this sort of stuff? Cheers, WPP > On 4 Mar 2014, at 10:34, Tim Shirley wrote: > > Hi John, > > I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price, but that's just me. > > Naviter are a commercial organisation, they put a product out there and > the market decides if they want to buy it. It is not compulsory. There is > at least one alternative called Strepla, and there used to be a UK product > called Tasknav, I am not sure if it is still around. None are free or even > particularly inexpensive, for exactly the same reason :) > > There is a well attended forum on the Naviter website and if you have > concerns about their product or pricing then that might be a good place to > discuss it as the company is quite active in responding. I have also found > them quick in their response to emails. > > I wrote my own flight analysis program many years ago, when SeeYou was just > starting up. I can assure you it is not even close to easy. > > Cheers > > Tim Shirley > > tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare > >> On 04/03/2014 11:15, DMcD wrote: >> Hello John, >> >> Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. >> Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every >> year. >> >> And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the >> only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop >> software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be >> that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a >> little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a >> bit more. >> >> Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as >> SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the >> trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program >> and the subscription would be less. >> >> It's a tricky call either way. >> >> D >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You
I don't think there is any argument here that the developers of SeeYou deserve compensation for their efforts. But their customers should be told that their action in upgrading the product may incur cost, particularly when this wasn't the case previously. Nick. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Rob Wintulich wrote: > Gentlemen, > > A lot of brilliant software has begun life as a project of passion, geeks > and or open source groups. No real commercial cost to produce. > However, once people, no matter how few or many, start to use and like > that software, the demands to improve, modify and add to it, begin. > Now the development is no longer a labour of love, but a labour of > pressure, stress and demands. > > The product goes commercial: even more pressure, stress and demands, not > to mention operating systems. > How to compensate? We buy a licence to use the software. We don't own > it, only the right to use it as we get it. Future development has to be > compensated as well. That can be done by buying a new licence to upgraded > versions as they are released or by subscriptions. > > If the product demand is globally huge, unit costs can be kept relatively > low, but if the customer base is small, say in 10's or 100's of thousands > only, costs are going to be much higher. > > As Tim Shirley said, 'I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price' > because > he knows what goes into writing this stuff and he values its output. > > I hate being held to ransom on anything so if I'm happy with my old car, I > keep it. If I want the new model, I pay for it. The new car doesn't > necessarily do any or much more than the old one, but no one is going to > give me a new one. Eventually the old program will not be compatible with > newer operating systems and will not work. Same dilemma, keep the old > computer and OS or get a new one > > Rob Wintulich > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You
Gentlemen, A lot of brilliant software has begun life as a project of passion, geeks and or open source groups. No real commercial cost to produce. However, once people, no matter how few or many, start to use and like that software, the demands to improve, modify and add to it, begin. Now the development is no longer a labour of love, but a labour of pressure, stress and demands. The product goes commercial: even more pressure, stress and demands, not to mention operating systems. How to compensate? We buy a licence to use the software. We don’t own it, only the right to use it as we get it. Future development has to be compensated as well. That can be done by buying a new licence to upgraded versions as they are released or by subscriptions. If the product demand is globally huge, unit costs can be kept relatively low, but if the customer base is small, say in 10’s or 100’s of thousands only, costs are going to be much higher. As Tim Shirley said, ‘I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price’ because he knows what goes into writing this stuff and he values its output. I hate being held to ransom on anything so if I’m happy with my old car, I keep it. If I want the new model, I pay for it. The new car doesn’t necessarily do any or much more than the old one, but no one is going to give me a new one. Eventually the old program will not be compatible with newer operating systems and will not work. Same dilemma, keep the old computer and OS or get a new one Rob Wintulich ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You
I must agree that this move to the subscription model was badly handled and let Naviter know my views. Surprisingly they agreed with them. I also reverted my version to 5.43, and will not upgrade unless there is a compelling reason to do so in the future. I can only hope that my See You Mobile on the Oudie will not move to the same model. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014 11:28 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] See You Thanks Al. It was a very simple process to reload the downgraded version (5.43) which has now over-written the 6.0 version. I just keep getting prompted to upgrade again ! I think the subscription process is a bit complicated with the ability to subscribe or unsubscribe. If the amount was say $A20/year to cover the cost of upgrades if and when they occurred, I would just pay it. However, with the current amount, I would want to think that the upgrade provided real value before just paying up. Agree, it is a brilliant program ! Rgds John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hi John, I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price, but that's just me. Naviter are a commercial organisation, they put a product out there and the market decides if they want to buy it. It is not compulsory. There is at least one alternative called Strepla, and there used to be a UK product called Tasknav, I am not sure if it is still around. None are free or even particularly inexpensive, for exactly the same reason :) There is a well attended forum on the Naviter website and if you have concerns about their product or pricing then that might be a good place to discuss it as the company is quite active in responding. I have also found them quick in their response to emails. I wrote my own flight analysis program many years ago, when SeeYou was just starting up. I can assure you it is not even close to easy. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 04/03/2014 11:15, DMcD wrote: Hello John, Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every year. And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a bit more. Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program and the subscription would be less. It's a tricky call either way. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] See You
Thanks Al. It was a very simple process to reload the downgraded version (5.43) which has now over-written the 6.0 version. I just keep getting prompted to upgrade again ! I think the subscription process is a bit complicated with the ability to subscribe or unsubscribe. If the amount was say $A20/year to cover the cost of upgrades if and when they occurred, I would just pay it. However, with the current amount, I would want to think that the upgrade provided real value before just paying up. Agree, it is a brilliant program ! Rgds John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hello John, Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every year. And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a bit more. Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program and the subscription would be less. It's a tricky call either way. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hello John and All, The following is a link to the SeeYou page with the link to install version 5.43 http://www.naviter.com/products/seeyou/ I regards to the subscription please be aware that at the end of your annual period you can elect to not renew your subscription and you will be able to continue to run SeeYou on your PC with out any limitations for as long as you like. All you will loose is the ability to use the tablet versions for iPad and Android devices and will not get any free upgrades for SeeYou PC and SeeYou Mobile. Cheers, Al Go Soaring - Why should the birds have all the fun! www.gosoaring.com.au 07 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595 > On 4 Mar 2014, at 6:56, "Trezise" wrote: > > Just to relate my current experience with this program. > > In 2011, I purchased SeeYou for PC to facilitate flight analysis. As I > understood at the time, and from the documents related to the purchase, this > was a once-only cost. Since then, there have been a number of automatic > upgrades. > > However, after installing version 6.0 which just came as another upgrade, > this showed up as an “unregistered version” on the screen. Everything worked > well until I was advised that my trial had expired and functionality was now > seriously impaired until I paid an “annual subscription”. > > I queried Naviter, and the response was that they do things differently now > and an annual subscription is now part of the deal. It currently runs at Eu49 > per year which I think is pretty steep. I was given the options of either > paying up, or reverting to the last 5.xxx version. I have opted for the > moment to revert to the earlier version and have asked for a link as this > version has now been over-written by the latest version. > > This all seems to have happened very quietly. > > John > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Qld Easter Comps at Goondiwindi - 18-26/04 - get in now before the early bird finishes!!
The Qld Easter Comps is at Goondiwindi again from the 18-26/04 - get in now before the early bird finishes after 07/03/14. Go to http://glidingqueensland.org.au/EasterComp2014/info.php?comp_id=1 to register or contact Dave Donald on 0409059929 and icans...@y7mail.com. Entries will be capped at 50 for this popular event, so get your entry in now to ensure your spot. Regards, Dave Do not go gentle into that good night - Dylan Thomas___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Just to relate my current experience with this program. In 2011, I purchased SeeYou for PC to facilitate flight analysis. As I understood at the time, and from the documents related to the purchase, this was a once-only cost. Since then, there have been a number of automatic upgrades. However, after installing version 6.0 which just came as another upgrade, this showed up as an "unregistered version" on the screen. Everything worked well until I was advised that my trial had expired and functionality was now seriously impaired until I paid an "annual subscription". I queried Naviter, and the response was that they do things differently now and an annual subscription is now part of the deal. It currently runs at Eu49 per year which I think is pretty steep. I was given the options of either paying up, or reverting to the last 5.xxx version. I have opted for the moment to revert to the earlier version and have asked for a link as this version has now been over-written by the latest version. This all seems to have happened very quietly. John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
