Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Teal]

Wow.

I've not been able to fly at all over the last year or so because of an 
injury. But any concerns I've had that getting back into gliding might 
mean having to deal with piles of sexist crap from misogynist creeps 
have now just been nicely demonstrated to be quite plausible.


Actually, that issue is just one of a bunch of things making it hard for 
me to get back into gliding at present. But it's a factor, oh yes it it. 
Thanks a ton, boys.



Teal

On 12/09/2014 9:05 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote:


Eew. It’s all lumpy

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Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a Schleicher model, no amount of money 
short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.




May I suggest you place your hail damaged one in the glue pot to help 
keep old ASK's and ASW,s flying.




Here is a hail damaged Schempp-Hirth Model of the same age, as you can 
see they are built to a higher quality







The other advantage is that all Schempp Hirths come in a variety of 
models to suit all tastes no matter sex or inclination. Attached below 
is the basic trainer and first solo machine.




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On 12 Sep 2014, at 5:56 am, Simon Rammelt > wrote:


Now THIS is hail damage!

On Sep 11, 2014 11:30 PM, "Michael Scutter"
mailto:michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au>> wrote:


Any rough guesses as to what the repair bill will be?




Michael
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Christopher McDonnell]

From: Rob Izatt 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:33 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

As I can attest to "silence' is what allows the bullies and the prejudiced to 
thrive. 
Rob Izatt


On 12/09/2014, at 11:05 AM, Michael Scutter wrote:


  I raised the question about possible repair cost and I also thought there 
might be damage to the leading edges and elsewhere. 

  I whole heatedly agree with Mark, Tim and Scott and no doubt others that were 
troubled by the replies but silent. 

  I was and am interested to hear from a knowledgeable person about what this 
sort of damage costs to repair and would it be covered by insurance?

  I had heard of one airline paying to repair an aircraft, even though the 
insurer had written it off. The airline decided it was better for their 
reputation to not have an aircraft destroyed. Perhaps they could then say they 
had not had a major crash. It might be urban myth?

  Respectfully 

  Michael

  On 12 Sep 2014, at 9:51, Scott Penrose  wrote:


THANK YOU TIM  I have been trying to work out what to say. Very VERY 
disappointed, but appreciate that there are people out there willing to stand 
up. Thanks 

Scott

On 12 Sep 2014, at 10:18 am, Tim Shirley  wrote:


  There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
simply breathtaking.

  Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not something 
I want in my inbox thanks.

  And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our 
sport.

  Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.


  Cheers

  Tim Shirley

  tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare

  On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:

Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money 
short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.





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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Christopher McDonnell]

From: Rob Izatt 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:31 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

I'm kinda stunned you ever thought gliding was inclusive Tim. 
Rob Izatt


On 12/09/2014, at 10:18 AM, Tim Shirley wrote:


  There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
simply breathtaking.

  Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not something I 
want in my inbox thanks.

  And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our sport.

  Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.


  Cheers

  Tim Shirley

  tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare

  On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:

Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money 
short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.






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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Lucas James]

Thanks Tim, Mark and Scott.

I also was flabbergasted with the recent posts.

I have trouble understanding how anyone in the twenty first century
could think that objectifying a person, then making them the butt of a
joke is acceptable. And no, the body builder follow-up is not
acceptable, nor does it excuse the first post.

regards,
Lucas


On 12/09/14 10:18, Tim Shirley wrote:
> There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one
> is simply breathtaking.
>
> Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not
> something I want in my inbox thanks.
>
> And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in
> our sport.
>
> Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.
>
> Cheers
>
> /Tim Shirley/
>
> /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/
>
> On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:
>> Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of
>> money short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Mike Borgelt]

Find the report. Great reading. An outstanding example of CRM and 
crew co-ordination.


Mike


At 11:19 AM 12/09/2014, you wrote:

At 11:05 AM 12/09/2014, you wrote:

I had heard of one airline paying to repair an aircraft, even 
though the insurer had written it off. The airline decided it was 
better for their reputation to not have an aircraft destroyed. 
Perhaps they could then say they had not had a major crash. It 
might be urban myth?


Respectfully

Michael



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Rob Izatt]

As I can attest to "silence' is what allows the bullies and the prejudiced to 
thrive.
Rob Izatt


On 12/09/2014, at 11:05 AM, Michael Scutter wrote:

> I raised the question about possible repair cost and I also thought there 
> might be damage to the leading edges and elsewhere. 
> 
> I whole heatedly agree with Mark, Tim and Scott and no doubt others that were 
> troubled by the replies but silent. 
> 
> I was and am interested to hear from a knowledgeable person about what this 
> sort of damage costs to repair and would it be covered by insurance?
> 
> I had heard of one airline paying to repair an aircraft, even though the 
> insurer had written it off. The airline decided it was better for their 
> reputation to not have an aircraft destroyed. Perhaps they could then say 
> they had not had a major crash. It might be urban myth?
> 
> Respectfully 
> 
> Michael
> 
> On 12 Sep 2014, at 9:51, Scott Penrose  wrote:
> 
>> THANK YOU TIM  I have been trying to work out what to say. Very VERY 
>> disappointed, but appreciate that there are people out there willing to 
>> stand up. Thanks
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 12 Sep 2014, at 10:18 am, Tim Shirley  wrote:
>> 
>>> There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
>>> simply breathtaking.
>>> 
>>> Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not something I 
>>> want in my inbox thanks.
>>> 
>>> And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our 
>>> sport.
>>> 
>>> Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Tim Shirley
>>> 
>>> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
>>> 
>>> On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:
 Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money 
 short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.
 
 
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Rob Izatt]

I'm kinda stunned you ever thought gliding was inclusive Tim.
Rob Izatt


On 12/09/2014, at 10:18 AM, Tim Shirley wrote:

> There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
> simply breathtaking.
> 
> Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not something I 
> want in my inbox thanks.
> 
> And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our sport.
> 
> Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim Shirley
> 
> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
> 
> On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:
>> Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money 
>> short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Mike Borgelt]

At 11:05 AM 12/09/2014, you wrote:

I had heard of one airline paying to repair an aircraft, even though 
the insurer had written it off. The airline decided it was better 
for their reputation to not have an aircraft destroyed. Perhaps they 
could then say they had not had a major crash. It might be urban myth?


Respectfully

Michael




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Mike






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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Michael Scutter]

I raised the question about possible repair cost and I also thought there might 
be damage to the leading edges and elsewhere. 

I whole heatedly agree with Mark, Tim and Scott and no doubt others that were 
troubled by the replies but silent. 

I was and am interested to hear from a knowledgeable person about what this 
sort of damage costs to repair and would it be covered by insurance?

I had heard of one airline paying to repair an aircraft, even though the 
insurer had written it off. The airline decided it was better for their 
reputation to not have an aircraft destroyed. Perhaps they could then say they 
had not had a major crash. It might be urban myth?

Respectfully 

Michael

> On 12 Sep 2014, at 9:51, Scott Penrose  wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU TIM  I have been trying to work out what to say. Very VERY 
> disappointed, but appreciate that there are people out there willing to stand 
> up. Thanks
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On 12 Sep 2014, at 10:18 am, Tim Shirley  wrote:
>> 
>> There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
>> simply breathtaking.
>> 
>> Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not something I 
>> want in my inbox thanks.
>> 
>> And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our 
>> sport.
>> 
>> Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Tim Shirley
>> 
>> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
>> 
>>> On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:
>>> Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money 
>>> short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Scott Penrose]

THANK YOU TIM  I have been trying to work out what to say. Very VERY 
disappointed, but appreciate that there are people out there willing to stand 
up. Thanks

Scott

On 12 Sep 2014, at 10:18 am, Tim Shirley  wrote:

> There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
> simply breathtaking.
> 
> Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not something I 
> want in my inbox thanks.
> 
> And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our sport.
> 
> Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim Shirley
> 
> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
> 
> On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:
>> Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money 
>> short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Tim Shirley]

There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list.  But this one is 
simply breathtaking.


Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic.  Not 
something I want in my inbox thanks.


And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our 
sport.


Some subsequent comments are only making it worse.  Stop it, please.

Cheers

/Tim Shirley/

/tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/

On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote:
Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of 
money short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.






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Re: [Aus-soaring] Bluetooth connection

[Mike Borgelt]

Anyone wanting to connect to nexus or other android devices with 
Bluetooth from serial outputs on vario systems can use one of these:


https://gridconnect.com/serial-to-bluetooth.html

We can supply suitable adapter cables.

And the name is right. :-)

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage

[Mark Newton]

People, please.

(got a problem with retaining women in gliding? yeah, probably got one of 
those. God only knows why, eh?)

  - mark

On 12 Sep, 2014, at 7:27 am, Justin Sinclair  wrote:

> Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a  Schleicher model, no amount of money short 
> of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it.



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[Aus-soaring] Cost,

[Michael Scutter]

Any rough guesses as to what the repair bill will be?



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Hail damage

[Mark Newton]

On 11 Sep, 2014, at 10:28 am, Ron  wrote:

> What was wrong with the weather radar??

Before or after?

  - mark


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