subject:"\[Aus\-soaring\] National Rules"

Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

2013-09-11 Thread Tim Shirley

I should also note that you dont need to remember that long link address.

 

The documents are available on the GFA website by navigating to Members Info
 Sport  Sport Docs.

 

Cheers

 

Tim

Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy
Temple
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 08:58
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

 

Hi Gary

 

I am not aware of any insurance changes. I will check and get back to you.

 

WRT rules

There is a second document on the GFA website document 10a which has all of
the rule changes in it.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM
<https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM&usp=sha
ring&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM>
&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM

 

Mandy

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary
Stevenson
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

 

Thanks Mandy.

Maybe you can save me a troll through the document. I am almost certain
there is a note on the Kingaroy Nationals web site that intimated  glider
insurance requirements had changed, and left it at that. Extremely
unsatisfactory!

 

Can you please give me a definitive answer on WHAT has changed regarding
competition insurance ... if anything!

 

To stretch the friendship a bit, can you please summarise the rule changes
from last season... if there have been any changes, and the relevant clause
numbers?

 

I am appreciative of your earlier advice, that some rumoured changes will
not happen this season, if at all.  I agree with you entirely that any such
proposals require exhaustive consideration and debate at the relevant
Pilots meetings.

 

Gary

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy
Temple
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:03 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

The rules are on the GFA website in Sports Documents

The 2013 Version is V2.5

 

Document 10

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM
<https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM&usp=sha
ring&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM>
&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM

 

Mandy

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:57 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

And when are we going to get the rules and the turnpoints for the Nats at
Kingaroy??

 

On 11 September 2013 18:41, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

John T - it really is crap.  Surely several 300km flights would out weigh
the 5hr requirement. Can remember doing 8 3/4 hrs in a skylark4 trying for
my 500km so come 2days before comps and try for 500km .   The important
thing is in a state comps you are not going to get shot down day after day.
I would suggest you put in a case and ask the powers that be.

 

Actually I can tell you there are several pilots in comps that have not
claimed badges yet are flying comps regularly.  I best not name them. Just
get a comp licence - it means nothing but makes you look good

 

Why does the GFA system totally ignore your airforce experience and airforce
really learn lookout unlike many glider pilots unfortunately. I hate this
sort of crap. 

 

I will see you there John OK

 

Ian McPhee 

 

On 11 September 2013 10:12, Tim Shirley  wrote:

Rules (and local rules) for State Competitions are set by State
Associations.

 

It has been usual for State Associations in recent times to adopt Nationals
Rules, but to make some local rules in regard to things like entry
requirements so as to allow less experienced pilots to enter.

 

Its the F in the GFA

 

J

 

Cheers

 

Tim

Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:36
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

Can anyone tell me why the pilot qualifications for State Championships are
different between Queensland and NSW ?  Some of the differences are pretty
minor, but is there any reason they should not be the same ? 

 

Issues: Qld: 20 hrs solo vs NSW: 25 hrs solo.  Qld Silver C distance vs NSW
Silver C plus one 300km flight. Qld 10

Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

2013-09-11 Thread Grant Hudson

Garry,

Nationals rule changes are highlighted in bold text in this document
available on the GA website.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM

See You at Waikerie in January
http://clubandsportsnationals2014waikerie.blogspot.com.au/ ?

Regards Grant.



Regards Grant.


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:

>  Thanks Mandy.
>
> Maybe you can save me a troll through the document. I am almost certain
> there is a note on the Kingaroy Nationals web site that intimated  glider
> insurance requirements had changed, and left it at that. Extremely
> unsatisfactory!
>
> ** **
>
> Can you please give me a definitive answer on WHAT has changed regarding
> competition insurance ... if anything!
>
> ** **
>
> To stretch the friendship a bit, can you please summarise the rule changes
> from last season... if there have been any changes, and the relevant clause
> numbers?
>
> ** **
>
> I am appreciative of your earlier advice, that some rumoured changes will
> not happen this season, if at all.  I agree with you entirely that any such
> proposals require exhaustive consideration and debate at the relevant
> Pilot’s meetings.
>
> ** **
>
> Gary
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:
> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Mandy Temple
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:03 PM
> *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications
>
> ** **
>
> The rules are on the GFA website in Sports Documents
>
> The 2013 Version is V2.5
>
> ** **
>
> Document 10
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Mandy
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:
> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ron Sanders
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:57 PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications
>
> ** **
>
> And when are we going to get the rules and the turnpoints for the Nats at
> Kingaroy??
>
> ** **
>
> On 11 September 2013 18:41, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:
>
> John T - it really is crap.  Surely several 300km flights would out weigh
> the 5hr requirement. Can remember doing 8 3/4 hrs in a skylark4 trying for
> my 500km so come 2days before comps and try for 500km .   The important
> thing is in a state comps you are not going to get shot down day after day.
>  I would suggest you put in a case and ask the powers that be.
>
> ** **
>
> Actually I can tell you there are several pilots in comps that have not
> claimed badges yet are flying comps regularly.  I best not name them. Just
> get a comp licence - it means nothing but makes you look good
>
> ** **
>
> Why does the GFA system totally ignore your airforce experience and
> airforce really learn lookout unlike many glider pilots unfortunately. I
> hate this sort of crap. 
>
> ** **
>
> I will see you there John OK
>
> ** **
>
> Ian McPhee 
>
> ** **
>
> On 11 September 2013 10:12, Tim Shirley  wrote:
> 
>
>   Rules (and local rules) for State Competitions are set by State
> Associations.
>
>  
>
> It has been usual for State Associations in recent times to adopt
> Nationals Rules, but to make some local rules in regard to things like
> entry requirements so as to allow less experienced pilots to enter.
>
>  
>
> It’s the F in the GFA……
>
>  
>
> J
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
>  
>
> *Tim*
>
> *Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare*
>
>  
>
> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:
> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Trezise
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:36
> *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications
>
>  
>
> Can anyone tell me why the pilot qualifications for State Championships
> are different between Queensland and NSW ?  Some of the differences are
> pretty minor, but is there any reason they should not be the same ? 
>
>  
>
> Issues: Qld: 20 hrs solo vs NSW: 25 hrs solo.  Qld Silver C distance vs
> NSW Silver C plus one 300km flight. Qld 10 aerotows vs NSW no requirement.
> 
>
>  
>
> Can’t see any significant differences between Warwick and Lake Keepit
> which would justify different requirements for each site. 
>
>  
>
> Personally, it’s the second one which causes me a problem because,
> although I have done a number of 300km plus flights, total time has not
> exceeded 5 hours, and I see little point in just hanging around for 5 hours
> to get a boy scout badge. 
>
>  
>
> John
>   --
>
> No viru

Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

2013-09-11 Thread Mandy Temple

Hi Gary

 

I am not aware of any insurance changes. I will check and get back to you.

 

WRT rules

There is a second document on the GFA website document 10a which has all of
the rule changes in it.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM
<https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM&usp=sha
ring&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM>
&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM

 

Mandy

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary
Stevenson
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

 

Thanks Mandy.

Maybe you can save me a troll through the document. I am almost certain
there is a note on the Kingaroy Nationals web site that intimated  glider
insurance requirements had changed, and left it at that. Extremely
unsatisfactory!

 

Can you please give me a definitive answer on WHAT has changed regarding
competition insurance ... if anything!

 

To stretch the friendship a bit, can you please summarise the rule changes
from last season... if there have been any changes, and the relevant clause
numbers?

 

I am appreciative of your earlier advice, that some rumoured changes will
not happen this season, if at all.  I agree with you entirely that any such
proposals require exhaustive consideration and debate at the relevant
Pilots meetings.

 

Gary

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy
Temple
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:03 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

The rules are on the GFA website in Sports Documents

The 2013 Version is V2.5

 

Document 10

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM
<https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM&usp=sha
ring&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM>
&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM

 

Mandy

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:57 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

And when are we going to get the rules and the turnpoints for the Nats at
Kingaroy??

 

On 11 September 2013 18:41, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

John T - it really is crap.  Surely several 300km flights would out weigh
the 5hr requirement. Can remember doing 8 3/4 hrs in a skylark4 trying for
my 500km so come 2days before comps and try for 500km .   The important
thing is in a state comps you are not going to get shot down day after day.
I would suggest you put in a case and ask the powers that be.

 

Actually I can tell you there are several pilots in comps that have not
claimed badges yet are flying comps regularly.  I best not name them. Just
get a comp licence - it means nothing but makes you look good

 

Why does the GFA system totally ignore your airforce experience and airforce
really learn lookout unlike many glider pilots unfortunately. I hate this
sort of crap. 

 

I will see you there John OK

 

Ian McPhee 

 

On 11 September 2013 10:12, Tim Shirley  wrote:

Rules (and local rules) for State Competitions are set by State
Associations.

 

It has been usual for State Associations in recent times to adopt Nationals
Rules, but to make some local rules in regard to things like entry
requirements so as to allow less experienced pilots to enter.

 

Its the F in the GFA

 

J

 

Cheers

 

Tim

Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:36
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

Can anyone tell me why the pilot qualifications for State Championships are
different between Queensland and NSW ?  Some of the differences are pretty
minor, but is there any reason they should not be the same ? 

 

Issues: Qld: 20 hrs solo vs NSW: 25 hrs solo.  Qld Silver C distance vs NSW
Silver C plus one 300km flight. Qld 10 aerotows vs NSW no requirement.

 

Cant see any significant differences between Warwick and Lake Keepit which
would justify different requirements for each site. 

 

Personally, its the second one which causes me a problem because, although
I have done a number of 300km plus flights, total time has not exceeded 5
hours, and I see little point in just hanging around for 5 hours to get a
boy scout badge. 

 

John

  _  

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Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules

2013-09-11 Thread Gary Stevenson

Thanks Mandy.

Maybe you can save me a troll through the document. I am almost certain
there is a note on the Kingaroy Nationals web site that intimated  glider
insurance requirements had changed, and left it at that. Extremely
unsatisfactory!

 

Can you please give me a definitive answer on WHAT has changed regarding
competition insurance ... if anything!

 

To stretch the friendship a bit, can you please summarise the rule changes
from last season... if there have been any changes, and the relevant clause
numbers?

 

I am appreciative of your earlier advice, that some rumoured changes will
not happen this season, if at all.  I agree with you entirely that any such
proposals require exhaustive consideration and debate at the relevant
Pilots meetings.

 

Gary

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy
Temple
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:03 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

The rules are on the GFA website in Sports Documents

The 2013 Version is V2.5

 

Document 10

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM

&usp=sharing&tid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM

 

Mandy

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:57 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

And when are we going to get the rules and the turnpoints for the Nats at
Kingaroy??

 

On 11 September 2013 18:41, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

John T - it really is crap.  Surely several 300km flights would out weigh
the 5hr requirement. Can remember doing 8 3/4 hrs in a skylark4 trying for
my 500km so come 2days before comps and try for 500km .   The important
thing is in a state comps you are not going to get shot down day after day.
I would suggest you put in a case and ask the powers that be.

 

Actually I can tell you there are several pilots in comps that have not
claimed badges yet are flying comps regularly.  I best not name them. Just
get a comp licence - it means nothing but makes you look good

 

Why does the GFA system totally ignore your airforce experience and airforce
really learn lookout unlike many glider pilots unfortunately. I hate this
sort of crap. 

 

I will see you there John OK

 

Ian McPhee 

 

On 11 September 2013 10:12, Tim Shirley  wrote:

Rules (and local rules) for State Competitions are set by State
Associations.

 

It has been usual for State Associations in recent times to adopt Nationals
Rules, but to make some local rules in regard to things like entry
requirements so as to allow less experienced pilots to enter.

 

Its the F in the GFA

 

J

 

Cheers

 

Tim

Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:36
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications

 

Can anyone tell me why the pilot qualifications for State Championships are
different between Queensland and NSW ?  Some of the differences are pretty
minor, but is there any reason they should not be the same ? 

 

Issues: Qld: 20 hrs solo vs NSW: 25 hrs solo.  Qld Silver C distance vs NSW
Silver C plus one 300km flight. Qld 10 aerotows vs NSW no requirement.

 

Cant see any significant differences between Warwick and Lake Keepit which
would justify different requirements for each site. 

 

Personally, its the second one which causes me a problem because, although
I have done a number of 300km plus flights, total time has not exceeded 5
hours, and I see little point in just hanging around for 5 hours to get a
boy scout badge. 

 

John

  _  

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