Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Certainly not easy to write as you say Tim; I remember Dad sitting down & writing a 2000 line pascal code program called, FAST: Flight Analysis Software Tool. Not sure how long it took Dad to make it though. George Lee used this program for his courses before SeeYou was out. An American code writer approached Dad to use the code, but turn it into a visual presentation like SeeYou, rather than Dads data only version. They wanted to call it, FASTER: Flight Analysis Software Tool - Enhanced Results SeeYou then came onto the market, SeeYou did a great job, FASTER was dropped as naturally it was a big job to transform it as far as SeeYou took it at that point. I wonder how much faster the WC's & other competitors of the past could've gone if they had access to this sort of stuff? Cheers, WPP > On 4 Mar 2014, at 10:34, Tim Shirley wrote: > > Hi John, > > I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price, but that's just me. > > Naviter are a commercial organisation, they put a product out there and > the market decides if they want to buy it. It is not compulsory. There is > at least one alternative called Strepla, and there used to be a UK product > called Tasknav, I am not sure if it is still around. None are free or even > particularly inexpensive, for exactly the same reason :) > > There is a well attended forum on the Naviter website and if you have > concerns about their product or pricing then that might be a good place to > discuss it as the company is quite active in responding. I have also found > them quick in their response to emails. > > I wrote my own flight analysis program many years ago, when SeeYou was just > starting up. I can assure you it is not even close to easy. > > Cheers > > Tim Shirley > > tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare > >> On 04/03/2014 11:15, DMcD wrote: >> Hello John, >> >> Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. >> Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every >> year. >> >> And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the >> only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop >> software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be >> that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a >> little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a >> bit more. >> >> Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as >> SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the >> trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program >> and the subscription would be less. >> >> It's a tricky call either way. >> >> D >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hi John, I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price, but that's just me. Naviter are a commercial organisation, they put a product out there and the market decides if they want to buy it. It is not compulsory. There is at least one alternative called Strepla, and there used to be a UK product called Tasknav, I am not sure if it is still around. None are free or even particularly inexpensive, for exactly the same reason :) There is a well attended forum on the Naviter website and if you have concerns about their product or pricing then that might be a good place to discuss it as the company is quite active in responding. I have also found them quick in their response to emails. I wrote my own flight analysis program many years ago, when SeeYou was just starting up. I can assure you it is not even close to easy. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 04/03/2014 11:15, DMcD wrote: Hello John, Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every year. And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a bit more. Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program and the subscription would be less. It's a tricky call either way. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hello John, Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every year. And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a bit more. Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program and the subscription would be less. It's a tricky call either way. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hello John and All, The following is a link to the SeeYou page with the link to install version 5.43 http://www.naviter.com/products/seeyou/ I regards to the subscription please be aware that at the end of your annual period you can elect to not renew your subscription and you will be able to continue to run SeeYou on your PC with out any limitations for as long as you like. All you will loose is the ability to use the tablet versions for iPad and Android devices and will not get any free upgrades for SeeYou PC and SeeYou Mobile. Cheers, Al Go Soaring - Why should the birds have all the fun! www.gosoaring.com.au 07 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595 > On 4 Mar 2014, at 6:56, "Trezise" wrote: > > Just to relate my current experience with this program. > > In 2011, I purchased SeeYou for PC to facilitate flight analysis. As I > understood at the time, and from the documents related to the purchase, this > was a once-only cost. Since then, there have been a number of automatic > upgrades. > > However, after installing version 6.0 which just came as another upgrade, > this showed up as an “unregistered version” on the screen. Everything worked > well until I was advised that my trial had expired and functionality was now > seriously impaired until I paid an “annual subscription”. > > I queried Naviter, and the response was that they do things differently now > and an annual subscription is now part of the deal. It currently runs at Eu49 > per year which I think is pretty steep. I was given the options of either > paying up, or reverting to the last 5.xxx version. I have opted for the > moment to revert to the earlier version and have asked for a link as this > version has now been over-written by the latest version. > > This all seems to have happened very quietly. > > John > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Just to relate my current experience with this program. In 2011, I purchased SeeYou for PC to facilitate flight analysis. As I understood at the time, and from the documents related to the purchase, this was a once-only cost. Since then, there have been a number of automatic upgrades. However, after installing version 6.0 which just came as another upgrade, this showed up as an "unregistered version" on the screen. Everything worked well until I was advised that my trial had expired and functionality was now seriously impaired until I paid an "annual subscription". I queried Naviter, and the response was that they do things differently now and an annual subscription is now part of the deal. It currently runs at Eu49 per year which I think is pretty steep. I was given the options of either paying up, or reverting to the last 5.xxx version. I have opted for the moment to revert to the earlier version and have asked for a link as this version has now been over-written by the latest version. This all seems to have happened very quietly. John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
