Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
Use the Wayback Machine! http://archive.org/web/ For those not familiar with the Wayback Machine, it is an archive of the web: not in its entirety, but very comprehensive nonetheless. Anyway the syndicate agreement was in the June 2001 snapshot. The proviso is reproduced below: This document contains typical and usual provisions for a glider syndicate agreement plus an addendum when a licensed T-Hanger or hanger space is being used by the syndicate. It is offered free of charge to GFA members by MatthewsFolbigg however careful advice should to be taken before using it as it will not apply verbatum to many syndicate arrangements. Also, partnership laws are somewhat different in each state of Australia and are distinctly different in other countries. GFA members are welcome to telephone Paul Matthews on (02) 9806 7453 for brief advice as to their needs without charge. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015 9:24 AM To: Laurie Hoffman; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates Hi all, Such a document was there at one time, but not now. I suspect it was removed because it isn't a matter where GFA has any involvement, and because of a concern that members who used it uncritically could later claim that a problem arising was to some extent GFA's fault. So having it there could have placed GFA as a party to an otherwise private dispute. This is speculation. I don't have any knowledge of the reasons it was there in the first place, or the official reasons for its removal. I don't have a copy. Members who are currently in syndicates may well have agreements they could share with the original questioner on a private basis. Although I am very happy with my current syndicate arrangements, I agree with Mike that the ideal number of syndicate members is an odd number less than 3. Cheers Tim Shirley tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare On 24/03/2015 9:00 AM, Laurie Hoffman wrote: GFA used to have a suggested syndicate formation pro forma which may still be available on the website. Regards Laurie Hoffman _ From: Mike Borgelt <mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:50 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke Rule 1. There shall be only one member in the syndicate. Rule 2. See Rule 1. Guaranteed to avoid problems. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring syndicat.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Syndicates
The following may be of interest. It's a sample partnership agreement published by AOPA USA for use in the United States of Litigation. It's quite extensive. CJ https://www.dropbox.com/s/r6j1vfsiiy9i46x/aopa%20sample%20agreement.pdf?dl=0 iPhone Transmission > On 24 Mar, 2015, at 09:24, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at >aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Syndicates (trevor.bu...@bigpond.com) > 2. Simulator (trevor.bu...@bigpond.com) > 3. Re: Syndicates (Christopher McDonnell) > 4. Re: Syndicates (Mike Borgelt) > 5. Re: Syndicates (Laurie Hoffman) > 6. Re: Syndicates (Tim Shirley) > > > -------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:48:41 +1000 > From: > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates > To: > Message-ID: <555B303012744331BFB9ADE037FCDDD4@TBPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than > getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate > operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help > avoid a bad experience that you have had? > > Trevor Burke > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150323/63708f94/attachment.html> > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:51:10 +1000 > From: > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Simulator > To: > Message-ID: <7330B8D2701344518F091F0335865DB0@TBPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Does anyone know where the trailer mounted simulator is? I would like to > borrow it. > > Trevor Burke > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150323/02c9c5ad/attachment.html> > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:54:54 +1000 > From: "Christopher McDonnell" > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There used to be a ?pro forma agreement? on the Regulator?s web site. I?ll > have a look if it is still there. > > From: trevor.bu...@bigpond.com > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 6:48 PM > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates > > Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting > in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and > exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad > experience that you have had? > > Trevor Burke > > > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20150323/0b9aa639/attachment.html> > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:50:02 +1000 > From: Mike Borgelt > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" > > At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: >> Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult >> than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for >> syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules >> that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? >> Tr
Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
Hi all, Such a document was there at one time, but not now. I suspect it was removed because it isn't a matter where GFA has any involvement, and because of a concern that members who used it uncritically could later claim that a problem arising was to some extent GFA's fault. So having it there could have placed GFA as a party to an otherwise private dispute. This is speculation. I don't have any knowledge of the reasons it was there in the first place, or the official reasons for its removal. I don't have a copy. Members who are currently in syndicates may well have agreements they could share with the original questioner on a private basis. Although I am very happy with my current syndicate arrangements, I agree with Mike that the ideal number of syndicate members is an odd number less than 3. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 24/03/2015 9:00 AM, Laurie Hoffman wrote: GFA used to have a suggested syndicate formation pro forma which may still be available on the website. Regards Laurie Hoffman * * / / *From:* Mike Borgelt *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Sent:* Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:50 *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke Rule 1. There shall be only one member in the syndicate. Rule 2. See Rule 1. Guaranteed to avoid problems. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
GFA used to have a suggested syndicate formation pro forma which may still be available on the website. Regards Laurie Hoffman From: Mike Borgelt To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:50 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: Getting out ofpartnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Doesanyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exitof members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a badexperience that you have had? Trevor Burke Rule 1. There shall be only one member in the syndicate. Rule 2. See Rule 1. Guaranteed to avoid problems. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke Rule 1. There shall be only one member in the syndicate. Rule 2. See Rule 1. Guaranteed to avoid problems. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
There used to be a “pro forma agreement” on the Regulator’s web site. I’ll have a look if it is still there. From: trevor.bu...@bigpond.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 6:48 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Syndicates
Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
