Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Hi Mike,
Thank God - He used it you know, for communicating with Moses - that you did
not use SLATE as your medium!
Thanks for the translation.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Mike Timbrell
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
G’day Gary,
I knew I should never have used that heavy paper in those hypothetical exams!
BTW, the text is Italian. “There is half a sea between saying doing.”
mike
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gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 11:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Hi Tim,
Roaming hands are common worldwide, but the Romans are now gone, and except
for specialists - have you read the ultimate text (The Specialist), on dunny
building by the way? - {another example of lost knowledge}, so is the Latin
language! Thank God for google fish, but I am a bit confused as to what ear I
should put it in.
Your post reminds me of one (possibly hypothetical), way of grading exam
papers. Find a building higher than one storey, go to the head of the stairs,
and then toss all exam papers into the ether. They will all come to earth, and
it is then a simple matter to grade the papers. The ones that go furthest get
the highest mark, and the ones that land closest to the stairs get the lowest
mark. Warning: Please be aware that sometimes bullshit baffles brains! In
essence, it is a bit like scoring a glider competition really!
Thanks for your recent advice on using flarm for logging gold and silver
badge flights. I had a nice flight - was it only yesterday?
The wheel turns. Hope your own Wednesday flight was good value?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Tim Shirley
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
The best handicap system I have heard of for gliding (admittedly
theroretical) worked like this.
1. At the start of the competition each pilot nominates the value of
his or her glider. These valuations are made public.
2. The handicaps are then based on the pilots valuation according to
some fairly simple formula – the lower value, the more favourable the handicap
of course.
3. The he pilot signs a guarantee that they will sell the glider to
anyone who comes up with the valuation figure, at the end of the competition.
That should sort out the problem quite nicely I think. Anyone interested
in a cheap JS1 that just won the Nationals? J
And, for those who have posted on this topic without ever having organised,
scored or handicapped a gliding competition, or in fact have done anything here
except bitch about those that do, there are a few words just under my signature
below. Google translator will soon tell you why they are relevant to you.
Do it yourselves next time.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:41
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to
start early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite
- at a National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking
should be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking should
be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the day were then
corrected. The system was tried once, and promptly abandoned, as being
unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The first and possibly major
problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for the gliders competing. Number
crunching (laughable today), was also a problem, as I recall. In my view, it
might now prove profitable to revisit the principles of the ME concept, and
check their workability in the current hi-tek environment.
Ann Woolf - given the tremendous (mind boggling?) - work that you have done on
compiling the electronic AG data base - could I please call upon you to put the
article(s?), that appeared in Australian Gliding, on this web site, for the
perusal and comment of a latter generation of glider pilots?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: nimb...@internode.on.net
To: aus-soaring
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
How about letting the previous generation 20m gliders fly in 15m class where
the handicaps are much closer as compared to current generation open class.
The other factor that gives the higher performance gliders an advantage over
the previous generation gliders when there is a large handicap spread is poor
task setting.
This occurs when racing tasks are set that force the lower performance
gliders to fly in weaker conditions by having to start early or finish later.
Where there is a significant spread in handicaps then racing tasks should not
be set.
Regards
Peter
Sent from my HTC smartphone
- Reply message -
From: Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29
Ron,
Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have
different performance characteristics in different weather, which
handicaps can't take into account.
The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt
day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day.
This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the
handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather
the higher performance gliders have an advantage.
Technical ways to 'solve' this have been postulated for years,
different handicaps for different weather etc, all of which sounds to
me like too much work.
How we solve it now is grouping the gliders in relatively similar
performance classes.
If higher performance gliders have an advantage in stronger weather,
it makes sense they should not be able to come 'down' a class and fly
with lower performance gliders.
Whether it should work the other way depends on whether you believe
that lower performance gliders have an edge in weaker weather.
Personally I think the lower performance gliders do have an edge in
survival weather, but that is almost entirely negated because we get
less weak weather than strong, and we don't set tasks in survival
weather (how often is a day cancelled for being too strong? ;) )
I think the cause of this discussion is that while STD class is mostly
populated with top-of-the-line STD class ships, 15M class is largely
previous generation gliders - so many STD class pilots (particularly
those in previous generation STD class gliders, myself included), feel
we're flying closer to our 'effective' performance class in 15M.
tldr; The system is a 'good enough' compromise.
-matthew
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ron resand...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you missed the point
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
The best handicap system I have heard of for gliding (admittedly theroretical)
worked like this.
1. At the start of the competition each pilot nominates the value of his
or her glider. These valuations are made public.
2. The handicaps are then based on the pilots valuation according to some
fairly simple formula – the lower value, the more favourable the handicap of
course.
3. The he pilot signs a guarantee that they will sell the glider to
anyone who comes up with the valuation figure, at the end of the competition.
That should sort out the problem quite nicely I think. Anyone interested in a
cheap JS1 that just won the Nationals? J
And, for those who have posted on this topic without ever having organised,
scored or handicapped a gliding competition, or in fact have done anything here
except bitch about those that do, there are a few words just under my signature
below. Google translator will soon tell you why they are relevant to you.
Do it yourselves next time.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:41
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking should
be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the day were then
corrected. The system was tried once, and promptly abandoned, as being
unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The first and possibly major
problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for the gliders competing. Number
crunching (laughable today), was also a problem, as I recall. In my view, it
might now prove profitable to revisit the principles of the ME concept, and
check their workability in the current hi-tek environment.
Ann Woolf - given the tremendous (mind boggling?) - work that you have done on
compiling the electronic AG data base - could I please call upon you to put the
article(s?), that appeared in Australian Gliding, on this web site, for the
perusal and comment of a latter generation of glider pilots?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: nimb...@internode.on.net
To: aus-soaring mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
How about letting the previous generation 20m gliders fly in 15m class where
the handicaps are much closer as compared to current generation open class.
The other factor that gives the higher performance gliders an advantage over
the previous generation gliders when there is a large handicap spread is poor
task setting.
This occurs when racing tasks are set that force the lower performance gliders
to fly in weaker conditions by having to start early or finish later. Where
there is a significant spread in handicaps then racing tasks should not be set.
Regards
Peter
Sent from my HTC smartphone
- Reply message -
From: Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29
Ron,
Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have
different performance characteristics in different weather, which
handicaps can't take into account.
The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt
day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day.
This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the
handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather
the higher performance gliders have
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Hi Tim,
Roaming hands are common worldwide, but the Romans are now gone, and except for
specialists - have you read the ultimate text (The Specialist), on dunny
building by the way? - {another example of lost knowledge}, so is the Latin
language! Thank God for google fish, but I am a bit confused as to what ear I
should put it in.
Your post reminds me of one (possibly hypothetical), way of grading exam
papers. Find a building higher than one storey, go to the head of the stairs,
and then toss all exam papers into the ether. They will all come to earth, and
it is then a simple matter to grade the papers. The ones that go furthest get
the highest mark, and the ones that land closest to the stairs get the lowest
mark. Warning: Please be aware that sometimes bullshit baffles brains! In
essence, it is a bit like scoring a glider competition really!
Thanks for your recent advice on using flarm for logging gold and silver badge
flights. I had a nice flight - was it only yesterday?
The wheel turns. Hope your own Wednesday flight was good value?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Tim Shirley
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
The best handicap system I have heard of for gliding (admittedly
theroretical) worked like this.
1. At the start of the competition each pilot nominates the value of
his or her glider. These valuations are made public.
2. The handicaps are then based on the pilots valuation according to
some fairly simple formula – the lower value, the more favourable the handicap
of course.
3. The he pilot signs a guarantee that they will sell the glider to
anyone who comes up with the valuation figure, at the end of the competition.
That should sort out the problem quite nicely I think. Anyone interested in
a cheap JS1 that just won the Nationals? J
And, for those who have posted on this topic without ever having organised,
scored or handicapped a gliding competition, or in fact have done anything here
except bitch about those that do, there are a few words just under my signature
below. Google translator will soon tell you why they are relevant to you.
Do it yourselves next time.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:41
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking should
be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the day were then
corrected. The system was tried once, and promptly abandoned, as being
unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The first and possibly major
problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for the gliders competing. Number
crunching (laughable today), was also a problem, as I recall. In my view, it
might now prove profitable to revisit the principles of the ME concept, and
check their workability in the current hi-tek environment.
Ann Woolf - given the tremendous (mind boggling?) - work that you have done
on compiling the electronic AG data base - could I please call upon you to put
the article(s?), that appeared in Australian Gliding, on this web site, for
the perusal and comment of a latter generation of glider pilots?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: nimb...@internode.on.net
To: aus-soaring
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:00 PM
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
G’day Gary,
I knew I should never have used that heavy paper in those hypothetical exams!
BTW, the text is Italian. “There is half a sea between saying doing.”
mike
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 11:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Hi Tim,
Roaming hands are common worldwide, but the Romans are now gone, and except for
specialists - have you read the ultimate text (The Specialist), on dunny
building by the way? - {another example of lost knowledge}, so is the Latin
language! Thank God for google fish, but I am a bit confused as to what ear I
should put it in.
Your post reminds me of one (possibly hypothetical), way of grading exam
papers. Find a building higher than one storey, go to the head of the stairs,
and then toss all exam papers into the ether. They will all come to earth, and
it is then a simple matter to grade the papers. The ones that go furthest get
the highest mark, and the ones that land closest to the stairs get the lowest
mark. Warning: Please be aware that sometimes bullshit baffles brains! In
essence, it is a bit like scoring a glider competition really!
Thanks for your recent advice on using flarm for logging gold and silver badge
flights. I had a nice flight - was it only yesterday?
The wheel turns. Hope your own Wednesday flight was good value?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
The best handicap system I have heard of for gliding (admittedly theroretical)
worked like this.
1. At the start of the competition each pilot nominates the value of his
or her glider. These valuations are made public.
2. The handicaps are then based on the pilots valuation according to some
fairly simple formula – the lower value, the more favourable the handicap of
course.
3. The he pilot signs a guarantee that they will sell the glider to
anyone who comes up with the valuation figure, at the end of the competition.
That should sort out the problem quite nicely I think. Anyone interested in a
cheap JS1 that just won the Nationals? J
And, for those who have posted on this topic without ever having organised,
scored or handicapped a gliding competition, or in fact have done anything here
except bitch about those that do, there are a few words just under my signature
below. Google translator will soon tell you why they are relevant to you.
Do it yourselves next time.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:41
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking should
be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the day were then
corrected. The system was tried once, and promptly abandoned, as being
unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The first and possibly major
problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for the gliders competing. Number
crunching (laughable today), was also a problem, as I recall. In my view, it
might now prove profitable to revisit the principles of the ME concept, and
check their workability in the current hi-tek
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
It's a subject we're not going to win, but as you know - STD class gliders have flexibility of flying both classes, but racing gliders are limited to just one (at the MCN) class. The handicaps are fair, yeah? So there's no advantage to be in a racing glider while competing in STD class. Yet it's not allowed. I know the reasoning, but still..! As many will know, often when you compare the classes at the same comp - STD class always seems to have the higher average day winning speeds. Perhaps because its more competitive in STD pilots have to push themselves harder? The alternative... My thinking (will submit to the handicap committee for review) is have a 1.00 glider for each class (like the golden old days, where there were no h/c), then discourage gliders who shouldn't be in that particular class with a slightly unfavorable h/c. Eg, an LS4 could be 1.03 in 15m class, rather than 1.04 as it is in STD class atm. My guess though, that this will never be implemented - so I'll keep my opinion as to why it won't happen to myself :) Strepla, WPP On 07/03/2013, at 8:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metreflapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Continuing on with the example, in STD class, the LS4 would keep its 1.04 handicap - as it's competing in the class that it should be. WPP On 07/03/2013, at 8:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metreflapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
At 08:48 AM 7/03/2013, you wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary Clean miss of the point again, Gary. Have a think about it. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
I think you missed the point . If the handicaps are so good what does it matter whether the span in 100 metres or if it has flaps? Ron On 07/03/2013, at 6:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Who said the handicaps were so good? Regarding CLASSES, any glider which fits is fine. Tom___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Ron, Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have different performance characteristics in different weather, which handicaps can't take into account. The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day. This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather the higher performance gliders have an advantage. Technical ways to 'solve' this have been postulated for years, different handicaps for different weather etc, all of which sounds to me like too much work. How we solve it now is grouping the gliders in relatively similar performance classes. If higher performance gliders have an advantage in stronger weather, it makes sense they should not be able to come 'down' a class and fly with lower performance gliders. Whether it should work the other way depends on whether you believe that lower performance gliders have an edge in weaker weather. Personally I think the lower performance gliders do have an edge in survival weather, but that is almost entirely negated because we get less weak weather than strong, and we don't set tasks in survival weather (how often is a day cancelled for being too strong? ;) ) I think the cause of this discussion is that while STD class is mostly populated with top-of-the-line STD class ships, 15M class is largely previous generation gliders - so many STD class pilots (particularly those in previous generation STD class gliders, myself included), feel we're flying closer to our 'effective' performance class in 15M. tldr; The system is a 'good enough' compromise. -matthew On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ron resand...@gmail.com wrote: I think you missed the point . If the handicaps are so good what does it matter whether the span in 100 metres or if it has flaps? Ron On 07/03/2013, at 6:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Adam you are right in all counts. It won't be implemented either Ron On 07/03/2013, at 7:40, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: It's a subject we're not going to win, but as you know - STD class gliders have flexibility of flying both classes, but racing gliders are limited to just one (at the MCN) class. The handicaps are fair, yeah? So there's no advantage to be in a racing glider while competing in STD class. Yet it's not allowed. I know the reasoning, but still..! As many will know, often when you compare the classes at the same comp - STD class always seems to have the higher average day winning speeds. Perhaps because its more competitive in STD pilots have to push themselves harder? The alternative... My thinking (will submit to the handicap committee for review) is have a 1.00 glider for each class (like the golden old days, where there were no h/c), then discourage gliders who shouldn't be in that particular class with a slightly unfavorable h/c. Eg, an LS4 could be 1.03 in 15m class, rather than 1.04 as it is in STD class atm. My guess though, that this will never be implemented - so I'll keep my opinion as to why it won't happen to myself :) Strepla, WPP On 07/03/2013, at 8:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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How about letting the previous generation 20m gliders fly in 15m class where the handicaps are much closer as compared to current generation open class. The other factor that gives the higher performance gliders an advantage over the previous generation gliders when there is a large handicap spread is poor task setting. This occurs when racing tasks are set that force the lower performance gliders to fly in weaker conditions by having to start early or finish later. Where there is a significant spread in handicaps then racing tasks should not be set. Regards Peter Sent from my HTC smartphone - Reply message - From: Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29 Ron, Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have different performance characteristics in different weather, which handicaps can't take into account. The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day. This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather the higher performance gliders have an advantage. Technical ways to 'solve' this have been postulated for years, different handicaps for different weather etc, all of which sounds to me like too much work. How we solve it now is grouping the gliders in relatively similar performance classes. If higher performance gliders have an advantage in stronger weather, it makes sense they should not be able to come 'down' a class and fly with lower performance gliders. Whether it should work the other way depends on whether you believe that lower performance gliders have an edge in weaker weather. Personally I think the lower performance gliders do have an edge in survival weather, but that is almost entirely negated because we get less weak weather than strong, and we don't set tasks in survival weather (how often is a day cancelled for being too strong? ;) ) I think the cause of this discussion is that while STD class is mostly populated with top-of-the-line STD class ships, 15M class is largely previous generation gliders - so many STD class pilots (particularly those in previous generation STD class gliders, myself included), feel we're flying closer to our 'effective' performance class in 15M. tldr; The system is a 'good enough' compromise. -matthew On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ron resand...@gmail.com wrote: I think you missed the point . If the handicaps are so good what does it matter whether the span in 100 metres or if it has flaps? Ron On 07/03/2013, at 6:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http
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Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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On 5/03/2013 10:16 PM, Adam Woolley wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Did you put it on OLC I want to see it! FQA ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING: Qld States, Day 2
No link to the scores on the comp website but go to http://www.soaringspot.com/gq2012/results/ ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012 7:00 PM To: Aus Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING: Qld States, Day 2 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2762650 www.facebook.com/W3Racing www.tinyurl.com/W3Tracking Stats for the day... 307.7km @ 95.64km/hr; 4.5kts (23%); 45:1 for 16.3km glides @ an average cruise speed of 131km/hr; Extra 17km covered in deviations (weakness appearing??) Weather, varying. Weak and reasonable height pre-start. First leg, reasonable under CU. 2nd leg, higher bases and stronger climbs. 3rd leg, streeting. 4th leg, lowering bases and approaching sea-breeze and convergence - moving into strong winds below 2000' AGL to make approaches fun to watch! I was very happy with my planned start time, though dissapointed how I executed it. Started ~300' to low, then took a weak climb soon after to figure out whether I really wanted to start. Stupid, lost 1/2kph there for sure. Once on the way though, it was reasonably straight forward. The 2nd leg, indescicive all the way. The problem, the large scrub area to cross. Far right saw better CU's and a line of them, but would take me wayyy out of the sector, the left was nothing spectacular, and direct had nice CU's though patchy. I after lots of moving around, I forced myself to take the direct route. Thanks to the ClearNav's final glide ring (aka the omeba?), I was confident to make the dash. 4.8kt climbs were the reward, though I was still slow due to the cross-headwind and the terrain (not being able to drive low). The 3rd leg, was started from the blue with a tidy little climb - then it was onto a highway of CU's to max out the NE sector. All the time, keeping my eye on home, I think I can do it! Run home, 100km. Three routings. Left towards the convergence, but some good but patchy CU's approaching - including a blue hole which potentially could put me on the deck. Direct, fair and reasonable. Far FAR right, higher bases, sun on the ground, and finish from 90* to track - but this @ the time, might be the only way to finish the task... I decide to go to the convergence. The first few climbs and glides were good until I read my note: Win by not losing. So I took a 45* turn off course to the center, rewarded with a nice climb to near base. Now 30* back to the convergence, rewarded with reasonable climbs and cruises. Leaving for home on a 3kt MC and 700 over. Once around the back of the sea-breeze, it was smooth. Bump up the speed.. Looking ahead though, I was still keen to be conservative. So I asked for the QNH the wind. I lost 100' in the QNH change and the wind was far stronger on the ground, than at alt. Slow down boy! Once at the eye-ball stage of the final glide, I started to lose out big time. I knew I could make the finish line - but how much speed would I cross the boundary fence? In the end, plenty 70kts - I'm home! What will tomorrow bring? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Go! Adam Go! Great write ups nice decision making processes. Well done, keep it up and good luck. Simon ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Good on you Adam. Think just how much better that Cirrus will go with the new skid on . Sent them today, snail mail. Patch - Original Message - From: Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com To: Aus-Soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 17 September, 2012 6:48:45 AM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Wow. Just wow. What a great weekend. Just epic soaring conditions. Amazing camaraderie many more hooked new JAG's! Both days sporting average climbs of 5kts to 8,000'QNH under CU filled skies. Saturday the 15th September. With the sky looking soarable from 09:30 , both James 'Dutters' Dutschke, Lisa Turner and I looked skyward while preparing our gliders madly. James arriving from BNE requiring a rig of his newly acquired Open Libelle. Lisa just going with the flow I think, and myself finishing up the weighing of W3 to finalise the Form2. We finally get airborne with a declared task of Tansey - Ban Ban X - Kingaroy. Which was later modified in flight to return home via Kumbia to give a total task length of 240km. Ivan being the gentleman he is, decided to return from his task to race around ours - calling before start 8kt climbs around to 7,000' for memory. Weak climbs in the Kingaroy area though, we were slow to climb. 2kts was all that was around, so slowly we spiralled to the wisps. All together in the start cylinder we naturally set off at 13:05 (!). Both of the first two climbs, 4.5kts we ease into the task nicely. All talking together on routing options, we decided to overfly Wondai and link up to a highway (street) to the first turn. The smiles fast growing, the speeds pushing up. 89:1 for a 34km glide at 75kts - before coring 7.5kts for a 1000'. Around the 1st turn, we take a detour to top up before heading into the slightly higher countryside. Before bouncing along with a couple of 5kt climbs. Dutters, Lisa and I all working nicely together. All sharing the lead and picking nice climbs. Around the 2nd turn, we take a slightly more curious approach. The sky in the Ban Ban area has some spread out. Once we're up and running though, we come up to a big decision point. Lots of discussion, conversing with Ivan up ahead - we somehow managed to split up, due to some miscommunication I suppose. Lisa and I down the Kingaroy valley, Dutters going direct into the lighter CU. We note the time, it's time to slow down and be a little more cautious. We all manage to link back up together approaching Kumbia, working nice lines of energy in the potentially approaching sea breeze. Onto final glide, easy. Thanks very much to Lisa whom provided some valuable coaching advice during the flight, had a great time! W3's stats for the day: 240km @ 111.03km/hr; 5.1kt (20%) climbs; 41:1 for 16.4km glides at an average cruise speed of 77kts. Flying 5km extra in task deviations. Sunday the 16th September. Learning from yesterday, and looking at XCSkies - I thought the day would be soarable from 09:30 . With 9 or more gliders making it to the grid at 09:25 - it was sure to be a good day. The task planned on the grid, thanks to HK BB - was a fantastic one for the today. Though with the sky we saw, we could've gone anywhere and had a ball. 8kt climbs around (if you jagged one) with 8,000' under CU. I launched first at 10am , with Dutters, Rhys Porter Lisa Turner soon to follow - I'd climbed easily to 4,500' in 2kts. The whole local area was peppered with small CU, each of them were working. Once we were all up together, there wasn't going to be any waiting around for the big wings (VIT, HK, BB). The task: Cecil City - Chinchilla - Murgon - Kingaroy = 406km The first leg was rather pleasant and uneventful, crossing the bunya's with ease. Up ahead from Bell onwards, the sky over Dalby to Cecil city looks like it's going to rain! Staying high, we use the energy lines where we can - running the downwind edge of the clouds. James and I take one weak climb to stay connected, before putting the running shoes back on. Lisa had taken a route more Dalby way, cruising along nicely I saw. Turning for Chinchilla, across wind now. There were no real classic streeting options to go for, so just one cloud after another. I made an error, chasing some CU's to the west of track - before finally getting into the lower height bands again and having to diverge back towards the original direct track (out landing options to allow me to drive low if need be). Dutters and I had gotten split up prior to the 1st turn, so I radioed to him that it'd be best to race down the direct track. We manage to get back together overhead Kogan, was great to see you off my wingtip then mate! Sadly though, it wasn't to last, after just 5 minutes of cruising we were separated enough to have to fly our own races for a while. I jagged a 7.9kt climb just around the Chinchilla turn, before blasting off at cloud base. From here,
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING
Video of the fun had on the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxoVHG1vuT0 Cheers, WPP On 2012-07-02 01:40:05 + Bernie Sue size...@iprimus.com.au wrote: How nice to have a flying report on this forum, especially during winter. Thanks Adam. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 6:39 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING G'day All, Thought I'd put a boring report together of my weekend soaring activity in the KING-A-ROY area. Saturday was a non-rostered tug pilot day, thankfully though with a few phone calls we were lucky enough to get a launch at 1300 - not one launch, but 5 of them for the hungry pilots that wouldn't accept no gliding for an answer. Thanks DMF! I spoke with Colin's passengers (who took to the sky in the DUO) afterwards, they had a ball enjoyed an evening out at the club, before checking out the area on four wheels on Sunday. Conditions saw an average of 2kt climbs around the area, even though they were regular enough under very lightly spaced wisps - I didn't venture outside of glide. Partly because the paddocks were quite wet in areas, fine elsewhere. I flew alongside Simon Don up to heights of 6,500' - thanks for the company. W3 is performing well, though with everything so well sealed, it's blowing out the high pressure air out the wing-gap seals = strategically placed vent required? I landed in the smooth conditions at 1530 after climbing in a weak climb earlier - great to be airborne again after 10wks off! I received a phone call from the Trotters saying that they'll be up on Sunday, I naturally responded 'great, the weather is looking better for an XC flight'. In the end, jagged that one - it was much better than forecast! We launched at 1140 into weak conditions under a CU filled sky. Thankfully after a 1/2hr, conditions improved stayed that way. Declared task of Kumbia, Murgon home. Thankfully mother nature took it's place set up an epic street that we couldn't resist! I asked the Trotters what their goal was for the day, they responded with 'just to pay particular attention to having fun, working on communications'. We promptly abandoned the task to fly what looked like a great line. It was. All three of us in close proximity, cruising down the line, just playing. My first L/D was 167:1 for 50km, before running into a 7.1kt climb for 1100'. From there after we turned around, all of us flying 78km at a staggering 277:1 ! We were joined by Colin Simon on this street, turning for Murgon approx 11km to the SE of Nanango. Off the freight train into regular XC conditions. The paddocks below we're like lakes, thankfully the climbs were still there - working 4kts to the North. Overhead Murgon the Trotters got the jump, climbing in a nice 5kt climb. I was close by, but slow to react persisting with my 3kt climb to long. We decided to keep tracking North on the track line towards Windera, before pulling the pin approx 15km from the turn. Changing gears now, we start topping up in weaker climbs taking bigger deviations as we enter areas of uncertainty blue holes. Lisa surging ahead now, picked up a climb over head Woroolin to get a marginal final glide in. Pete had a slightly better run landed quite a number of minutes ahead. I took a similar route to Lisa, though topped up over Wondai in a weak climb for the same marginal glide - knew I was home as I crossed the 7km point! All in all a great winters day, 211km at 89.8kph; 3.7kt climbs (17%); 64:1 for 21.7km glides at 60kts. Movie to follow in a few days! Where we're you? WPP P.S. off to Moresby for the first time on Tuesday, to start my induction into Air Niugini. To date, I've passed my ground school F100 sim training. Let the next part of my adventure begin, hopefully it brings as much gliding in the coming season as it did last!! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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So that's what a cloud street looks like. It's been so wet down here (NSW Central Coast) I got excited about 1 knot to 2500 in the blue a few weeks back. Arie On 2/07/2012 5:32 PM, Adam Woolley wrote: Video of the fun had on the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxoVHG1vuT0 Cheers, WPP On 2012-07-02 01:40:05 + Bernie Sue size...@iprimus.com.au wrote: How nice to have a flying report on this forum, especially during winter. Thanks Adam. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 6:39 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING G'day All, Thought I'd put a boring report together of my weekend soaring activity in the KING-A-ROY area. Saturday was a non-rostered tug pilot day, thankfully though with a few phone calls we were lucky enough to get a launch at 1300 - not one launch, but 5 of them for the hungry pilots that wouldn't accept no gliding for an answer. Thanks DMF! I spoke with Colin's passengers (who took to the sky in the DUO) afterwards, they had a ball enjoyed an evening out at the club, before checking out the area on four wheels on Sunday. Conditions saw an average of 2kt climbs around the area, even though they were regular enough under very lightly spaced wisps - I didn't venture outside of glide. Partly because the paddocks were quite wet in areas, fine elsewhere. I flew alongside Simon Don up to heights of 6,500' - thanks for the company. W3 is performing well, though with everything so well sealed, it's blowing out the high pressure air out the wing-gap seals = strategically placed vent required? I landed in the smooth conditions at 1530 after climbing in a weak climb earlier - great to be airborne again after 10wks off! I received a phone call from the Trotters saying that they'll be up on Sunday, I naturally responded 'great, the weather is looking better for an XC flight'. In the end, jagged that one - it was much better than forecast! We launched at 1140 into weak conditions under a CU filled sky. Thankfully after a 1/2hr, conditions improved stayed that way. Declared task of Kumbia, Murgon home. Thankfully mother nature took it's place set up an epic street that we couldn't resist! I asked the Trotters what their goal was for the day, they responded with 'just to pay particular attention to having fun, working on communications'. We promptly abandoned the task to fly what looked like a great line. It was. All three of us in close proximity, cruising down the line, just playing. My first L/D was 167:1 for 50km, before running into a 7.1kt climb for 1100'. From there after we turned around, all of us flying 78km at a staggering 277:1 ! We were joined by Colin Simon on this street, turning for Murgon approx 11km to the SE of Nanango. Off the freight train into regular XC conditions. The paddocks below we're like lakes, thankfully the climbs were still there - working 4kts to the North. Overhead Murgon the Trotters got the jump, climbing in a nice 5kt climb. I was close by, but slow to react persisting with my 3kt climb to long. We decided to keep tracking North on the track line towards Windera, before pulling the pin approx 15km from the turn. Changing gears now, we start topping up in weaker climbs taking bigger deviations as we enter areas of uncertainty blue holes. Lisa surging ahead now, picked up a climb over head Woroolin to get a marginal final glide in. Pete had a slightly better run landed quite a number of minutes ahead. I took a similar route to Lisa, though topped up over Wondai in a weak climb for the same marginal glide - knew I was home as I crossed the 7km point! All in all a great winters day, 211km at 89.8kph; 3.7kt climbs (17%); 64:1 for 21.7km glides at 60kts. Movie to follow in a few days! Where we're you? WPP P.S. off to Moresby for the first time on Tuesday, to start my induction into Air Niugini. To date, I've passed my ground school F100 sim training. Let the next part of my adventure begin, hopefully it brings as much gliding in the coming season as it did last!! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING
How nice to have a flying report on this forum, especially during winter. Thanks Adam. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 6:39 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING G'day All, Thought I'd put a boring report together of my weekend soaring activity in the KING-A-ROY area. Saturday was a non-rostered tug pilot day, thankfully though with a few phone calls we were lucky enough to get a launch at 1300 - not one launch, but 5 of them for the hungry pilots that wouldn't accept no gliding for an answer. Thanks DMF! I spoke with Colin's passengers (who took to the sky in the DUO) afterwards, they had a ball enjoyed an evening out at the club, before checking out the area on four wheels on Sunday. Conditions saw an average of 2kt climbs around the area, even though they were regular enough under very lightly spaced wisps - I didn't venture outside of glide. Partly because the paddocks were quite wet in areas, fine elsewhere. I flew alongside Simon Don up to heights of 6,500' - thanks for the company. W3 is performing well, though with everything so well sealed, it's blowing out the high pressure air out the wing-gap seals = strategically placed vent required? I landed in the smooth conditions at 1530 after climbing in a weak climb earlier - great to be airborne again after 10wks off! I received a phone call from the Trotters saying that they'll be up on Sunday, I naturally responded 'great, the weather is looking better for an XC flight'. In the end, jagged that one - it was much better than forecast! We launched at 1140 into weak conditions under a CU filled sky. Thankfully after a 1/2hr, conditions improved stayed that way. Declared task of Kumbia, Murgon home. Thankfully mother nature took it's place set up an epic street that we couldn't resist! I asked the Trotters what their goal was for the day, they responded with 'just to pay particular attention to having fun, working on communications'. We promptly abandoned the task to fly what looked like a great line. It was. All three of us in close proximity, cruising down the line, just playing. My first L/D was 167:1 for 50km, before running into a 7.1kt climb for 1100'. From there after we turned around, all of us flying 78km at a staggering 277:1 ! We were joined by Colin Simon on this street, turning for Murgon approx 11km to the SE of Nanango. Off the freight train into regular XC conditions. The paddocks below we're like lakes, thankfully the climbs were still there - working 4kts to the North. Overhead Murgon the Trotters got the jump, climbing in a nice 5kt climb. I was close by, but slow to react persisting with my 3kt climb to long. We decided to keep tracking North on the track line towards Windera, before pulling the pin approx 15km from the turn. Changing gears now, we start topping up in weaker climbs taking bigger deviations as we enter areas of uncertainty blue holes. Lisa surging ahead now, picked up a climb over head Woroolin to get a marginal final glide in. Pete had a slightly better run landed quite a number of minutes ahead. I took a similar route to Lisa, though topped up over Wondai in a weak climb for the same marginal glide - knew I was home as I crossed the 7km point! All in all a great winters day, 211km at 89.8kph; 3.7kt climbs (17%); 64:1 for 21.7km glides at 60kts. Movie to follow in a few days! Where we're you? WPP P.S. off to Moresby for the first time on Tuesday, to start my induction into Air Niugini. To date, I've passed my ground school F100 sim training. Let the next part of my adventure begin, hopefully it brings as much gliding in the coming season as it did last!! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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At 06:39 PM 1/07/2012, you wrote: W3 is performing well, though with everything so well sealed, it's blowing out the high pressure air out the wing-gap seals = strategically placed vent required? I have a mold for a JS1 style vent if you want to make yourself one. No little wing thingy for it yet but that will be done around the end of July. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Well it was just one of those days really, spent some time in the Oly going around, up and down, and covered a bit of country, best height was 3,200 feet. regards JR - Original Message - Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Hey JR, I spent the best 10 minutes of my life in the LS 3 a, and didn't even get back to the launch point. Ended up on the cross strip. I decided it might be better to just put it away. Spent even more great times cleaning the shortwing GRX of all the dust from the last few months that have dumped on it. I mean it just doesn't get any better does it? I took the DG 300 to Di's birthday and we are both very much in the VERY VERY GOOD books. Rigged, it looks fantastic. There is only one small problem, when she sits in it she dissappears. Phil could have saved thousands by just getting a half scale one. Keep having as much fun as you can and keep practicing for next rally. cheers Patch - Original Message - From: JR jma99...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Well it was just one of those days really, spent some time in the Oly going around, up and down, and covered a bit of country, best height was 3,200 feet. regards JR - Original Message - Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Never mind the good books, where's the bloody cheque book ?I had a ball today, you shoulda been here.. JR - Original Message - From: Patching patch...@westnet.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Hey JR, I spent the best 10 minutes of my life in the LS 3 a, and didn't even get back to the launch point. Ended up on the cross strip. I decided it might be better to just put it away. Spent even more great times cleaning the shortwing GRX of all the dust from the last few months that have dumped on it. I mean it just doesn't get any better does it? I took the DG 300 to Di's birthday and we are both very much in the VERY VERY GOOD books. Rigged, it looks fantastic. There is only one small problem, when she sits in it she dissappears. Phil could have saved thousands by just getting a half scale one. Keep having as much fun as you can and keep practicing for next rally. cheers Patch - Original Message - From: JR jma99...@bigpond.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Well it was just one of those days really, spent some time in the Oly going around, up and down, and covered a bit of country, best height was 3,200 feet. regards JR - Original Message - Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff
Hello Brian At the Beverley Soaring Society, we have a comprehensive Access program we commissioned about 14 years ago. Its had the odd refinement over the years and works well. Members flight and account information is also posted to our web site. Members can look at from many years ago up to recent data. We are in the process of implementing an Excel front end for direct input of flight information on the airfield. Currently, input to Access is done by our logkeeper using our written log sheets. The transfer of data from the daily Excel file to the Access system will still be done by our logkeeper. Excel is the most suitable as a front-end for use on the airfield. However, Access is much more suitable for storing the data and assigning costs to members accounts. The access system has been set up to satisfy our particular way of doing things. Let me know if you would like to look further at what we have. Regards Greg Beecroft _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian and Karen Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 7:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Hi Brian I believe we at Waikerie have been looking at some software from WA RTO/S James Cooper who works with Quicken and has developed a customised for gliding Version of quicken. Someone on the group would have his contact details, or they should be available on the GFA website Regards Dave L _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian and Karen Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 8:38 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff
I will tell you one thing an hour meter and air switch is the best way bar none to do a maintance release. In old days at Keepit I would land old Berg after last flight and before the tail was turned around I could have the hours written up (I would guess the no of launches and was usually correct +/- one flight and some days gliders were doing 20 to 35 flights) - The crap these days of entering things into computer and maybe 1 hour later the data is available for writing up the MR - Hour meter/air switch is the only way to go for Maintance Release Ian M - Original Message - From: erich wittstock To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff Dear boring club members I thought that I am the only one thinking about this but no! Now, here is a real challenge: There are clubs out there that are using commercial accounting packages i.e. Quick(en)Books, MYOB etc. How do those clubs take care of pilot's logs and glider logs? We are required to keep track of flight movements as per MOSP: 14.1.11 Keeping of records. All clubs must compile and keep such logbooks, flight records and time sheets as will enable an accurate record of the club's flying operations to be maintained. These records must be made available to the RTO/Ops or the CTO/Ops on request. There are a few of free-ware versions of gliding club software packages available - unfortunately most of them are in German - which makes them useless. Respectable clubs are entering data on-the-go on a laptop on the flight line - a simple double click enters take/off and landing time. Pilot's names / glider rego's etc are selected from drop down menus... Could our QLD gliding branch or even the GFA come up with a decent program / plug-in (QB, MYOB) / spreadsheet / database for everyone to use. Even the tax department is providing a free version which is usable. The Gliding Club Computer Program is quite ok but a bit dated. I have seen a prototype of the on-line booking system. It looks like to me that we all need a record system for log books, an accounting system and maybe on-line booking system. Would it be effective to do this as a combined effort for every club in Australia? That would free up more members to recruit and keep member retention up. If Ian Perkins should read this how about it? all the best Erich (a useless treasurer...) On 6/19/07, Brian and Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Hi Brian, Contact me offline Dave Shorter email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Note - no au in address) 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach NSW 2456 Ph/Fax: (02)6656 1979 - Original Message - From: Brian and Karen To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff At Boonah we have been using the “Gliding Club Computer Program” for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.186) Database version: 5.07530 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Be careful of database size with Access! The older version ('95?) only
was stable to 1GB then became notoriously unreliable. M/soft proudly
announced that they'd doubled the stability size in later versions to
2GB, carefully omitting that each record was double the size of the
previous version...
Brian and Karen wrote:
At Boonah we have been using the “Gliding Club Computer Program” for
some time to track our members flying accounts.
The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly
setout and only available as a text file.
We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel,
that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website.
Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task,
has anyone out there already done this..?
Regards
Brian Gilby
Boonah Club
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Interesting! However Peter, are you in a position to estimate/guesstimate
the data base size required for an application such as Brian is suggesting -
assuming say a base load case of 100 members?
Gary
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Be careful of database size with Access! The older version ('95?) only
was stable to 1GB then became notoriously unreliable. M/soft proudly
announced that they'd doubled the stability size in later versions to
2GB, carefully omitting that each record was double the size of the
previous version...
Brian and Karen wrote:
At Boonah we have been using the “Gliding Club Computer Program” for
some time to track our members flying accounts.
The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly
setout and only available as a text file.
We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel,
that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website.
Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task,
has anyone out there already done this..?
Regards
Brian Gilby
Boonah Club
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff
And me Cheers Derek (02) 9342 8241 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian and Karen Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff
We have been using a logging program I wrote in Access since 1996. It has over 32,000 flights in it to date with no stability problems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian and Karen Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff
Brian, Can you contact me off line -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian and Karen Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Admin Stuff
Dear boring club members I thought that I am the only one thinking about this but no! Now, here is a real challenge: There are clubs out there that are using commercial accounting packages i.e. Quick(en)Books, MYOB etc. How do those clubs take care of pilot's logs and glider logs? We are required to keep track of flight movements as per MOSP: 14.1.11 Keeping of records. All clubs must compile and keep such logbooks, flight records and time sheets as will enable an accurate record of the club's flying operations to be maintained. These records must be made available to the RTO/Ops or the CTO/Ops on request. There are a few of free-ware versions of gliding club software packages available - unfortunately most of them are in German - which makes them useless. Respectable clubs are entering data on-the-go on a laptop on the flight line - a simple double click enters take/off and landing time. Pilot's names / glider rego's etc are selected from drop down menus... Could our QLD gliding branch or even the GFA come up with a decent program / plug-in (QB, MYOB) / spreadsheet / database for everyone to use. Even the tax department is providing a free version which is usable. The Gliding Club Computer Program is quite ok but a bit dated. I have seen a prototype of the on-line booking system. It looks like to me that we all need a record system for log books, an accounting system and maybe on-line booking system. Would it be effective to do this as a combined effort for every club in Australia? That would free up more members to recruit and keep member retention up. If Ian Perkins should read this how about it? all the best Erich (a useless treasurer...) On 6/19/07, Brian and Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Boonah we have been using the Gliding Club Computer Program for some time to track our members flying accounts. The program runs OK, but the members accounts reports are very poorly setout and only available as a text file. We were going to write a new program based around Access or Excel, that would allow use to upload logs/accounts to our website. Before we over commit ourselves to this involved and frustrating task, has anyone out there already done this..? Regards Brian Gilby Boonah Club No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/07 3:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING
He's gone so native that he has also ended up the other side of the emu fence and the various rabbit proof fences!! Redmond - Original Message - From: Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 30 May 2005 11:00 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING Texler, Michael wrote: Beverley Soaring Society, Out west on the correct side of the dog proof fence. You've gone native, haven't you? - mark :-) I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING
those avgas powered thermals are pretty handy on a non soarable day. ;) - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING Beverley Soaring Society, Out west on the correct side of the dog proof fence. Sun 29th May 2005 Temp mid 20's, lovely sunny day. Inversion at 2,000'. Nothing really soarable. In excess of 25 flights. Nice and smooth conditions, great day for trainees. The Cunderdin GCWA Blanik arrived (Ian few it) and we were dismayed, how could it get to BSS on such a non-soarable day. The secret was a 7,000' aerotow! Thanks to everyone who helped out. M.T. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
You lucky lucky bugga, on the bright side, at least you were flying.JR - Original Message - From: simon holding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring Alice Springs - clear day - 7000' - and stuck in the back of the '28 all day. Fun is best. Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2005 10:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Fun is the key to ecstasy, Regards JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring I would have said it died at 0.6 kt but as long as you had fun. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring I only said the day died, I did not say what caused the day to die..!JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring As I recall 1500hrs in Milicent would have been sunset at this time of year. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Not bad at Millicent, cloudbase was only 2400, but had fun anyway.6 knot climbs, day died at around 1500 hours. regards JR - Original Message - From: John Parncutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Great day at Bacchus Marsh today! starting with some early wave (I missed out but our early starting CFI had a good flight). Then after lunch the CU's started popping with cloud base at 4500 and good 5 to 6 knot climbs. Of course those who read the lousy forecast or who only fly during the summer months missed out on a great day. John parncutt VMFG ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring at Balak' ...
Terry Neumann wrote: stared with the despair and disbelief at the now empty bottle. Yes, it was a right-royal tragedy that will take therapy to overcome. I will be suggesting to the committee that nothing short of a Royal Commission will be satisfactory to sort out how this could possibly have happened. At least Bert is off to Thailand for his therapy. Hic' Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring at Balak' ...
Depends whether it was core or non core. Ian P. Kookaburra Precision Soaring Team - Original Message - From: Leigh Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring at Balak' ... Terry Neumann wrote: stared with the despair and disbelief at the now empty bottle. Yes, it was a right-royal tragedy that will take therapy to overcome. I will be suggesting to the committee that nothing short of a Royal Commission will be satisfactory to sort out how this could possibly have happened. At least Bert is off to Thailand for his therapy. Hic' Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring
I would have said it died at 0.6 kt but as long as you had fun. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring I only said the day died, I did not say what caused the day to die..!JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring As I recall 1500hrs in Milicent would have been sunset at this time of year. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Not bad at Millicent, cloudbase was only 2400, but had fun anyway.6 knot climbs, day died at around 1500 hours. regards JR - Original Message - From: John Parncutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Great day at Bacchus Marsh today! starting with some early wave (I missed out but our early starting CFI had a good flight). Then after lunch the CU's started popping with cloud base at 4500 and good 5 to 6 knot climbs. Of course those who read the lousy forecast or who only fly during the summer months missed out on a great day. John parncutt VMFG ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Fun is the key to ecstasy, Regards JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring I would have said it died at 0.6 kt but as long as you had fun. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring I only said the day died, I did not say what caused the day to die..!JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring As I recall 1500hrs in Milicent would have been sunset at this time of year. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Not bad at Millicent, cloudbase was only 2400, but had fun anyway.6 knot climbs, day died at around 1500 hours. regards JR - Original Message - From: John Parncutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Great day at Bacchus Marsh today! starting with some early wave (I missed out but our early starting CFI had a good flight). Then after lunch the CU's started popping with cloud base at 4500 and good 5 to 6 knot climbs. Of course those who read the lousy forecast or who only fly during the summer months missed out on a great day. John parncutt VMFG ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Alice Springs - clear day - 7000' - and stuck in the back of the '28 all day. Fun is best. Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2005 10:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Fun is the key to ecstasy, Regards JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring I would have said it died at 0.6 kt but as long as you had fun. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring I only said the day died, I did not say what caused the day to die..!JR - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring As I recall 1500hrs in Milicent would have been sunset at this time of year. Regards John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 7:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Not bad at Millicent, cloudbase was only 2400, but had fun anyway.6 knot climbs, day died at around 1500 hours. regards JR - Original Message - From: John Parncutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Great day at Bacchus Marsh today! starting with some early wave (I missed out but our early starting CFI had a good flight). Then after lunch the CU's started popping with cloud base at 4500 and good 5 to 6 knot climbs. Of course those who read the lousy forecast or who only fly during the summer months missed out on a great day. John parncutt VMFG ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] BORING REPORT - A Stinker of a Day
I'll second Marks comments. I was heading in the other direction, although I doubt either he or I could of picked the others car on the opposite side of the road. I called it 'Brown Out', with significant stretches of the road with visibility down to a few meters as an entire paddocks worth of dust, grass (and perhaps rabbits and small sheep) engulfed the road (but no sign of Dorothy or the wicked witch of the west). You could only stop and wait or crawl along following the left hand white line (praying that some insane bastard didn't ram you from behind whilst doing some stupid speed). Fortunately Justine and I ended up in a bit of a convoy crawling along (except for the crazy truck driver at the rear who wanted to overtake everyone) and playing follow the leader. Still very scary seeing the car in front disappear completely from view even though he is only a few car lengths in front. People the following morning reported at least one car had left the road at speed and clobbered a tree. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2005 2:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING REPORT - A Stinker of a Day The dust intensified through the evening: Driving back to Adelaide after dark was like driving through brown fog, with tumbleweeds jumping chaotically across the road at 50km/h and the occasional drift of even heavier dust that cut visibility to zero for a few seconds. I definitely wasn't driving in VMC. - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
RE: [Aus-soaring] BORING REPORT - A Stinker of a Day
Title: RE: [Aus-soaring] BORING REPORT - A Stinker of a Day -Original Message- From: Mark Newton I was dumb enough to spend the day instructing: circuits in 36 deg temperatures. Wow. Awe-inspiring. Should do it more often. Not. Been there, done that. For a change (?) on Saturday I was in the tug. 22 launches at about 35 degrees all day. Not noticeably cooler at the top of the launch either. An interesting day nonetheless! Phil Ritchie and Richard Skinner both pushed out to Burra (100km to the north) which took them a couple of hours each. As Leigh noted in his email, about 60kts headwind and neither of them needed to thermal on the way back. Both were limited to 8500' and Phil reported one 12 knot thermal (shortly after leaving an 8 knot one!). We gave up winch ops at about 5:15pm when the winch driver reported that he wasn't prepared to perform any more launches because he couldn't see the glider at the top of the launch At about the same time ASC also packed up and went inside. Once again, it wasn't so much the wind, but the muck in the air which had been there all day began to close in on the airfield. Regards SWK ** This email and any file attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please tell us immediately by return email and delete the document. The information in this email expresses the opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the views of ETSA Utilities. ** ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING REPORT - A Stinker of a Day
Leigh Bunting wrote: It sounded like conditions were somewhat different east of the Mt Lofty ranges. Anyone from Barossa/AUGC/Waikerie like to fill us in? The wind was about the same, but it didn't start to get badly dusty until late afternoon. I was dumb enough to spend the day instructing: circuits in 36 deg temperatures. Wow. Awe-inspiring. Should do it more often. Not. My longest flight was ten minutes when one of our recently solo pilots in a checkflight found a weak thermal and stayed in it until we both decided we'd drifted too far downwind. Derek Spencer took an AEF in our Motorfalke for 40 minutes, exploring some of the lift coming off the ranges (out of reach of a winch launch). When he got back he decided to repeat the attempt with one of the club's Boomerang syndicate owners, and by motoring over to Truro they managed to catch the frontal lift from the cool change which they rode until they were at 8000' over The Gums. Bastards. By that time visibility had become pretty crap, and they had to follow the Sturt Highway to find the airfield. We gave up winch ops at about 5:15pm when the winch driver reported that he wasn't prepared to perform any more launches because he couldn't see the glider at the top of the launch well enough to discern speed signals due to the layer of dust. The dust intensified through the evening: Driving back to Adelaide after dark was like driving through brown fog, with tumbleweeds jumping chaotically across the road at 50km/h and the occasional drift of even heavier dust that cut visibility to zero for a few seconds. I definitely wasn't driving in VMC. - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California
Simon Hackett wrote: the simple metric of taking the hull value and dividing by 1000 to get the effective hourly rate works quite well. Hmmm. So I bought my Grunau Baby (airworthy, including trailer) in the early '70s for $600. What 's that work out to - - 60 cents per hour. :-D Of course there has been some expenditure in the last 30 years, especially the last 5 years, but it still works out at $15/hour and I still have a truck load of fun. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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By any measure Mike you underestimate the costs of owning your own glider. Try to get to grips with the following: 1. Red Wright wrote in Soaring April 1964 A letter to Editor and it is reprinted in Joe Lincolns book On Quiet Wings page 51 onwards about he got caught up in the simple, inexpensive recreation of soaring to which he had transitioned from being a 6000 hour power pilot. After training costs, he got to fly solo and subsequently to progress he had of course to buy his own glider which he duly did. He lists the costs of training and then the costs of obtaining his glider and operating it, including all that 'must have' instrumentation. (Borgelt Instruments being not yet around at the time to sever you from your hard earned dollars in trade for the magical wonder instrument, there were nevertheless many other instrument makers practicing that art on the hapless likes of Red Wright.) After a while of solo operations comes the time where he has to get into contest flying to progress in the sport. He lists the costs of doing this. Contests aren't cheap in the USA if you have to pay someone else to tow your glider across continent while you remain working. (Our WA troops can relate to that.) So the contest bills add up and the costs per hour keeps climbing. At the competitive level of soaring you need to practice and fly the good days from your home site, so you have to take time off mid week because of course the best weather doesn't always coincide with the weekend. As an operator of a business this leads him to be out flying midweek when he should be tending the customers, and so on one deal, being away flying, he looses $66,000 of one customers business. He works out his ultimate cost for 125 hours soaring as totalling $96.164.84, ie $12.82 per minute. At that time it cost aparently $12 per minute to run a Boeing 707, but he doesn't want the conclusion drawn from this that soaring is an expensive sport by comparison. Red's article is an utterly delightful read (at least in my terms). 2. Closer to home. If I had bought Westpac shares in 1993 instead of my Janus CT I would now have around about 4 times capital appreciation on the shares, ie $600,000 (excluding dividends) from my original $160,000. Even after capital gains tax the increase would pay for almost unlimited hours at Tocumwal rates. Hmmm, and I used to think I was a rational person in owning my own glider. Definitely I have been away with the fairies. Roger Druce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:01 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California At 03:05 PM 9/03/05 +1030, you wrote: Definitely one of the more memorable experiences of my North American trip. Also the most expensive flying I've ever done: that 2-hour flight cost US$200, including glider hire, instructor hire and tow-plane charter. I think the Australian system really has it all over the US system when it comes to the *cost* of flying; god knows how much it costs for a novice pilot to receive training over there when the instructor adds $60 per hour to the price of the flight. Given the same equipment and the a generally similar taxation regime the cost of flying is about the same everywhere. It really is just a question of who pays?. US$100ph is about A$130 currently. Take a look at Aero club charges for a C172 with instructor some time. You had a cheap flight! I know a bloke with a Discus 2. Say A$130,000. That's A$6500 at 5% which you can get easily from a bank. Actually you can get 6% right now. Insurance is A$5000. At 100 hours a year thats A$115 per hour right there without tows. Say 30 at A$30 per tow for another A$900 and about A$1000 for GFA, airworthiness fees and maintenance. A$13400 per annum so A$134 per hour for 100 hours a year. Even if he pays top marginal tax rate on the A$6500 it still ends up at A$100 per hour or more. We haven't even talked about depreciation. As for the novice pilot, the way to do it in the US is to learn to fly in a power plane(it's cheaper) and do a two day glider conversion later. Most of the US glider pilots I know have a power licence for this reason. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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At 12:02 AM 11/03/05 +1100, you wrote: By any measure Mike you underestimate the costs of owning your own glider. Having owned at least one at a time since 1972 I know you are right! My post was a response to the most expensive flying where for US$200 Mark Newton had a unique, exciting and unexpected adventure. If anyone thinks that club flying is much ceaper just remember that there are fewer than 3 glider pilots per glider in Oz. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Yes, but you would have bought OneTel and HIH instead... On 11/03/2005, at 12:02 AM, Roger Druce wrote: 2. Closer to home. If I had bought Westpac shares in 1993 instead of my Janus CT I would now have around about 4 times capital appreciation on the shares, ie $600,000 (excluding dividends) from my original $160,000. Even after capital gains tax the increase would pay for almost unlimited hours at Tocumwal rates. Hmmm, and I used to think I was a rational person in owning my own glider. Definitely I have been away with the fairies. Roger Druce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Careful Roger. Ian P. Kookaburra Precision Soaring Team - Original Message - From: Roger Druce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California By any measure Mike you underestimate the costs of owning your own glider. Try to get to grips with the following: 1. Red Wright wrote in Soaring April 1964 A letter to Editor and it is reprinted in Joe Lincolns book On Quiet Wings page 51 onwards about he got caught up in the simple, inexpensive recreation of soaring to which he had transitioned from being a 6000 hour power pilot. After training costs, he got to fly solo and subsequently to progress he had of course to buy his own glider which he duly did. He lists the costs of training and then the costs of obtaining his glider and operating it, including all that 'must have' instrumentation. (Borgelt Instruments being not yet around at the time to sever you from your hard earned dollars in trade for the magical wonder instrument, there were nevertheless many other instrument makers practicing that art on the hapless likes of Red Wright.) After a while of solo operations comes the time where he has to get into contest flying to progress in the sport. He lists the costs of doing this. Contests aren't cheap in the USA if you have to pay someone else to tow your glider across continent while you remain working. (Our WA troops can relate to that.) So the contest bills add up and the costs per hour keeps climbing. At the competitive level of soaring you need to practice and fly the good days from your home site, so you have to take time off mid week because of course the best weather doesn't always coincide with the weekend. As an operator of a business this leads him to be out flying midweek when he should be tending the customers, and so on one deal, being away flying, he looses $66,000 of one customers business. He works out his ultimate cost for 125 hours soaring as totalling $96.164.84, ie $12.82 per minute. At that time it cost aparently $12 per minute to run a Boeing 707, but he doesn't want the conclusion drawn from this that soaring is an expensive sport by comparison. Red's article is an utterly delightful read (at least in my terms). 2. Closer to home. If I had bought Westpac shares in 1993 instead of my Janus CT I would now have around about 4 times capital appreciation on the shares, ie $600,000 (excluding dividends) from my original $160,000. Even after capital gains tax the increase would pay for almost unlimited hours at Tocumwal rates. Hmmm, and I used to think I was a rational person in owning my own glider. Definitely I have been away with the fairies. Roger Druce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 10:01 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California At 03:05 PM 9/03/05 +1030, you wrote: Definitely one of the more memorable experiences of my North American trip. Also the most expensive flying I've ever done: that 2-hour flight cost US$200, including glider hire, instructor hire and tow-plane charter. I think the Australian system really has it all over the US system when it comes to the *cost* of flying; god knows how much it costs for a novice pilot to receive training over there when the instructor adds $60 per hour to the price of the flight. Given the same equipment and the a generally similar taxation regime the cost of flying is about the same everywhere. It really is just a question of who pays?. US$100ph is about A$130 currently. Take a look at Aero club charges for a C172 with instructor some time. You had a cheap flight! I know a bloke with a Discus 2. Say A$130,000. That's A$6500 at 5% which you can get easily from a bank. Actually you can get 6% right now. Insurance is A$5000. At 100 hours a year thats A$115 per hour right there without tows. Say 30 at A$30 per tow for another A$900 and about A$1000 for GFA, airworthiness fees and maintenance. A$13400 per annum so A$134 per hour for 100 hours a year. Even if he pays top marginal tax rate on the A$6500 it still ends up at A$100 per hour or more. We haven't even talked about depreciation. As for the novice pilot, the way to do it in the US is to learn to fly in a power plane(it's cheaper) and do a two day glider conversion later. Most of the US glider pilots I know have a power licence for this reason. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005
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Leigh, Thats the trouble with people who buy these things and then try to put a dollar cost on the sport. If I even thought about calculating the costs on my fleet I would have to factor in the fun. I reckon I would end up in the positive. We all should. Cheers all Ian P. Kookaburra Precision Soaring Team. - Original Message - From: Leigh Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California Simon Hackett wrote: the simple metric of taking the hull value and dividing by 1000 to get the effective hourly rate works quite well. Hmmm. So I bought my Grunau Baby (airworthy, including trailer) in the early '70s for $600. What 's that work out to - - 60 cents per hour. :-D Of course there has been some expenditure in the last 30 years, especially the last 5 years, but it still works out at $15/hour and I still have a truck load of fun. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Mark Newton wrote on his web-site: In the US, gliders are routinely left outside tied-down all year 'round. Most of the fleet at the Great Western Soaring School are either tied down or kept in their trailers. There were only two small hangars that I could see on the site. Sacrilege! :-) PeterS - Original Message - From: Boyd Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California Mark, thank you for sharing this wonderful story with us. I rather liked the detailed explanation of one gets what one pays for, and the best bit was the innovative method of de-icing. Boyd Munro - Original Message - From: Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:35 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California Internode sent me to the US to set up our international gateway networks last month. I took a week and a half of leave at the end of it (why waste it when someone else paid the airfares? :-) and took the opportunity to do a bit of touring around the Western USA and British Columbia in Canada. My flight back to Australia was scheduled to leave LAX at 11:15pm on Saturday, and I didn't really want to spend the last day of my trip touring around a horrible stinking hole in the ground like Los Angeles. So I visited the Great Plains Soaring School at Crystalaire Airport about 80 miles North of LA, introduced myself to instructor Dale Masters and went for a fly. The weather was crap: a grey cloud blanket at 3000' AGL and pretty cold temperatures left little hope for thermals, and Dale and I were both expecting a circuit (but I wanted to do it anyway: I wasn't going to visit North America without logging at least ONE flight in a foreign country). So off we went, in high-tow behind an old Pawnee with a retractable tow-rope, aerotowing towards the mountains. We towed towards a bright-looking bit of cloud, and on the way it got a bit rough... and rougher... and rougher... then silky smooth. Hey! We found wave! So my circuit turned into 1h 55m in ridge and wave lift to 9800' soaring among snow-covered peaks in a DG-500 while the cloud slowly cleared into 3 octas of Cu and 1 octa of Lennies (!), with some aerobatics to come back down to pattern altitude at the end of the flight. http://slash.dotat.org/~newton/gallery/us-gliding/ Dale said he's been wave flying in these mountains for years, but he'd never found this particular wave system before. So it was a novel flight for both of us. Definitely one of the more memorable experiences of my North American trip. Also the most expensive flying I've ever done: that 2-hour flight cost US$200, including glider hire, instructor hire and tow-plane charter. I think the Australian system really has it all over the US system when it comes to the *cost* of flying; god knows how much it costs for a novice pilot to receive training over there when the instructor adds $60 per hour to the price of the flight. Having said that, Crystalaire is a commercial op, not a club, and that definitely affects the cost. I ended up going there because (a) it's the closest gliding operation to LA, with all the others at least 2.5 hours away, and (b) the non-commercial ops that I phoned during the week weren't sure if they'd be open due to the weather (the clubs at Tehachapi and California City had cancelled their weekend meetings due to the wintery weather forecast). I really didn't want to spend 2.5 hours on my last day in the US driving to an airfield only to find that it was closed and I'd have to spend 2.5 hours driving back again. In retrospect, considering the quality of the flight I had at Crystalaire, that was an excellent decision! If you're in the LA area, Crystalaire is about 1.5 hours North of LAX Airport. Take the northbound I-405 then use the I-5 to the northbound CA-14 to Palmdale. 29 miles up that road is an off-ramp to the Pearblossom Highway through Littlerock. Crystalaire is on 165th St East. Tell Dale I sent you :-) http://maps.google.com/maps?q=from%3A%20lax%20to%3A%2032810%20165th%20St%20E%2C%20Llano%2C%20CA%2093544ll=34.707031%2C-118.128684spn=1.109375%2C1.500993hl=en Finally: I can't close off without passing on thanks to Reg Moore and Bob Hall, who provided advice before I left on the path of least resistance for getting my flying credentials recognized in the US while I was away. As it happened I only had enough time to go flying once, so it wasn't worth the pain of going down the path towards getting a US license, but the fact that there were people there who could answer questions about that kind of thing was really good. The GFA has some great resources if you take the trouble to ask around. - mark I tried
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At 03:05 PM 9/03/05 +1030, you wrote: Definitely one of the more memorable experiences of my North American trip. Also the most expensive flying I've ever done: that 2-hour flight cost US$200, including glider hire, instructor hire and tow-plane charter. I think the Australian system really has it all over the US system when it comes to the *cost* of flying; god knows how much it costs for a novice pilot to receive training over there when the instructor adds $60 per hour to the price of the flight. Given the same equipment and the a generally similar taxation regime the cost of flying is about the same everywhere. It really is just a question of who pays?. US$100ph is about A$130 currently. Take a look at Aero club charges for a C172 with instructor some time. You had a cheap flight! I know a bloke with a Discus 2. Say A$130,000. That's A$6500 at 5% which you can get easily from a bank. Actually you can get 6% right now. Insurance is A$5000. At 100 hours a year thats A$115 per hour right there without tows. Say 30 at A$30 per tow for another A$900 and about A$1000 for GFA, airworthiness fees and maintenance. A$13400 per annum so A$134 per hour for 100 hours a year. Even if he pays top marginal tax rate on the A$6500 it still ends up at A$100 per hour or more. We haven't even talked about depreciation. As for the novice pilot, the way to do it in the US is to learn to fly in a power plane(it's cheaper) and do a two day glider conversion later. Most of the US glider pilots I know have a power licence for this reason. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Mike Borgelt wrote: I know a bloke with a Discus 2. Say A$130,000. That's [...] I tried the same calculations with my Stemme S10-VT once. I already had such a spreadsheet set up which had been used for my old SF-25C Motorfalke. So I plugged in the hull value of my S10-VT. At that point the spreadsheet columns turned into those '''s which mean you need to widen the columns because the numbers are too big to fit :) I just quietly put the spreadsheet away and realised that those calculations were just not going to stop me from indulging in my own aviation decisions, because I'd already made the decision to own the thing, whatever the numbers said (and in gliding, clearly, I'm not alone in that attitude - or a lot of us wouldn't be bothering). On the general notion of figuring out a notional hiring rate for gliders at typical 'glider' utilisations (circa 100 hrs/year for a private one), I have found that the simple metric of taking the hull value and dividing by 1000 to get the effective hourly rate works quite well. Taking your Discus example (because my Stemme example would just frighten the horses), that means $130,000 hull value - $130 per hour - which is consistent with your calculations. Obviously those numbers improve with higher utilisations, but the more expensive the glider, the more likely its going to peak around 100-150 per year because its probably a private aircraft, not a club one. (I have flown about 140 hours in my Stemme in the last 12 months). Cheers, Simon ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Simon says (sorry, couln't resist...) ...I just quietly put the spreadsheet away and realised that those calculations were just not going to stop me from indulging in my own aviation decisions, because I'd already made the decision to own the thing, whatever the numbers said (and in gliding, clearly, I'm not alone in that attitude - or a lot of us wouldn't be bothering). Cheers, Simon Exactly right Simon. If we ran our lives on economic analysis, we'd all be sitting around bored to pieces but financially well off. If you want to do it, and you can afford to do it (and it's legal and does no harm to anyone...), then go enjoy. That's all the justification you need. Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, fax (02) 6249 6555, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be. Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Armistead;Allan FN:Allan Armistead ORG:Allan Armistead Consulting International TEL;WORK;VOICE:(02) 6249-6470 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(02) 6249-6470 TEL;CELL;VOICE:0413 013 911 TEL;WORK;FAX:(02) 6249-6555 ADR;WORK:;;PO Box 908;DICKSON;ACT;2602;Australia LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:PO Box 908=0D=0ADICKSON, ACT 2602=0D=0AAustralia EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20020314T051104Z END:VCARD ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Mark, thank you for sharing this wonderful story with us. I rather liked the detailed explanation of one gets what one pays for, and the best bit was the innovative method of de-icing. Boyd Munro - Original Message - From: Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:35 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING in California Internode sent me to the US to set up our international gateway networks last month. I took a week and a half of leave at the end of it (why waste it when someone else paid the airfares? :-) and took the opportunity to do a bit of touring around the Western USA and British Columbia in Canada. My flight back to Australia was scheduled to leave LAX at 11:15pm on Saturday, and I didn't really want to spend the last day of my trip touring around a horrible stinking hole in the ground like Los Angeles. So I visited the Great Plains Soaring School at Crystalaire Airport about 80 miles North of LA, introduced myself to instructor Dale Masters and went for a fly. The weather was crap: a grey cloud blanket at 3000' AGL and pretty cold temperatures left little hope for thermals, and Dale and I were both expecting a circuit (but I wanted to do it anyway: I wasn't going to visit North America without logging at least ONE flight in a foreign country). So off we went, in high-tow behind an old Pawnee with a retractable tow-rope, aerotowing towards the mountains. We towed towards a bright-looking bit of cloud, and on the way it got a bit rough... and rougher... and rougher... then silky smooth. Hey! We found wave! So my circuit turned into 1h 55m in ridge and wave lift to 9800' soaring among snow-covered peaks in a DG-500 while the cloud slowly cleared into 3 octas of Cu and 1 octa of Lennies (!), with some aerobatics to come back down to pattern altitude at the end of the flight. http://slash.dotat.org/~newton/gallery/us-gliding/ Dale said he's been wave flying in these mountains for years, but he'd never found this particular wave system before. So it was a novel flight for both of us. Definitely one of the more memorable experiences of my North American trip. Also the most expensive flying I've ever done: that 2-hour flight cost US$200, including glider hire, instructor hire and tow-plane charter. I think the Australian system really has it all over the US system when it comes to the *cost* of flying; god knows how much it costs for a novice pilot to receive training over there when the instructor adds $60 per hour to the price of the flight. Having said that, Crystalaire is a commercial op, not a club, and that definitely affects the cost. I ended up going there because (a) it's the closest gliding operation to LA, with all the others at least 2.5 hours away, and (b) the non-commercial ops that I phoned during the week weren't sure if they'd be open due to the weather (the clubs at Tehachapi and California City had cancelled their weekend meetings due to the wintery weather forecast). I really didn't want to spend 2.5 hours on my last day in the US driving to an airfield only to find that it was closed and I'd have to spend 2.5 hours driving back again. In retrospect, considering the quality of the flight I had at Crystalaire, that was an excellent decision! If you're in the LA area, Crystalaire is about 1.5 hours North of LAX Airport. Take the northbound I-405 then use the I-5 to the northbound CA-14 to Palmdale. 29 miles up that road is an off-ramp to the Pearblossom Highway through Littlerock. Crystalaire is on 165th St East. Tell Dale I sent you :-) http://maps.google.com/maps?q=from%3A%20lax%20to%3A%2032810%20165th%20St%20E%2C%20Llano%2C%20CA%2093544ll=34.707031%2C-118.128684spn=1.109375%2C1.500993hl=en Finally: I can't close off without passing on thanks to Reg Moore and Bob Hall, who provided advice before I left on the path of least resistance for getting my flying credentials recognized in the US while I was away. As it happened I only had enough time to go flying once, so it wasn't worth the pain of going down the path towards getting a US license, but the fact that there were people there who could answer questions about that kind of thing was really good. The GFA has some great resources if you take the trouble to ask around. - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or
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Saturday was giving 6 knots to 8,500 at Port Augusta. Sunday was a slight improvement to somewhere above 9,000 (I was flying the concrete swan and by the time we thermalled 9000' I decided it was time to go hunting). Afraid I just used it for instructional purposes out around Quorn/Wilmington and to attempt to take photos straight down the Northern Power station stack! Saturday the thermals worked most of the day. Sunday they were wiped out by the sea breeze soon after 1600. Redmond ** - Original Message - From: Pete Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 17 October 2004 8:20 Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING Sunday started at Renmark with two gliders waiting to be rigged, but we didn't have enough people for that until lunchtime. Amid the usual calls of It's not engaged. Move it IN, and Hurry up, it's heavy I started hearing things like Wow, look at that sky. Some rapid glider preparation happened, and the first launch was at 2:20pm, Jim doing the evaluation flight on the Blanik. My launch was next, in the Hornet. I released into a changeable 3-4 knot thermal and clambered up, after a while spotting the Blanik above me. That can't be allowed to happen, but I couldn't get up to him. By persisting, some time after Jim had gone away I made it almost to 12,000 feet. Right, done that, nobody else wants the glider, so where now? I cruised off to the south-west, following clouds around a blue hole, and after a while I was at Wunkar topping up to 11,000. That was the last worthwhile climb I found, but it was enough to glide to Veitch and back to Renmark in still air, having done 120+ km. In a bit less time, David Campain had got to 10,000, and done Taplan - Lake Victoria - Renmark, 182 km, while evaluating the Mosquito. His best climb was an average 8.3 knots. I didn't find anything that good. It was a very pleasant afternoon. Anyone who had made a whole day of it could have done some reasonable distance. Any other stories? -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Well Greg, you chose the wrong day. On Sunday I finished off the Form 2 on the 13, had her rigged and ready to do the evaluation flight at 14:30 and did a very enjoyable hour of evaluating the old girl in climbs to 4 kts and the compulsory fun in between. Rgds - Rolf From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:46:04 +1000 I had a nice 28 minute flight in the Ventus GFN at Adelaide Soaring Club (ASC) at Gawler yesterday. Meanwhile on the Darling Downs the entire fleet and most of the private gliders were also airborne on Sunday. 9000 ft QNH and 8 - 10 kts was there for the taking with only the occasional minor annoyance of having to skirt or fly through a bit of rain. Grumble, all I got on Saturday at Bacchus Marsh was 26 minutes in the club's Jantar Standard 2. It just didn't want to stay in the air for some reason. Greg O'Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ FREE* Month of Movies with FOXTEL Digital: http://adsfac.net/link.asp?cc=FXT002.7542.0 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Michael Texler wrote: I'm sure those on the aus-soaring list who are parents can identify with the above situation. All too true, I'm afraid. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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I had a great weekend at AUGC's Lochiel airfield, even though the weather was very pleasant but with little convection happening Anyone not familiar with our club should have a look at www.augc.on.net Being a student club we have lots of keen young people which makes it a fun club to be in; Did some instructing and converted two of our 20 year old pilots to the Pik and another to the Standard Libelle, it's great to see these people having so much fun gliding. All they spoke about in the car on the way home was their next weekends flying! Cheers David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 September 2004 11:16 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING I had a nice 28 minute flight in the Ventus GFN at Adelaide Soaring Club (ASC) at Gawler yesterday. Meanwhile on the Darling Downs the entire fleet and most of the private gliders were also airborne on Sunday. 9000 ft QNH and 8 - 10 kts was there for the taking with only the occasional minor annoyance of having to skirt or fly through a bit of rain. Grumble, all I got on Saturday at Bacchus Marsh was 26 minutes in the club's Jantar Standard 2. It just didn't want to stay in the air for some reason. Greg O'Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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You are doing the easy part Michael. Hoping they come home alive is harder. With your job, yadda yadda, I know. Chris McDonnell - Original Message - From: Leigh Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 September 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING Michael Texler wrote: I'm sure those on the aus-soaring list who are parents can identify with the above situation. All too true, I'm afraid. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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I had a nice 28 minute flight in the Ventus GFN at Adelaide Soaring Club(ASC) at Gawler yesterday. Meanwhile on the Darling Downs the entire fleet and most of the privategliders were also airborne on Sunday. 9000 ft QNH and 8 - 10 kts was there for the taking with onlythe occasional minor annoyance of having to skirt or fly through a bit of rain. Alice and I cruised out to Chinchilla and then back for some local soaring beforelanding early so that we could de-rig her in preparation for Robert taking her to Kingaroy next week. Brian --Brian Wade Personal Computer ConceptsControl SPAM with MailWasher Pro Uniform Timehttp://www.uniformtime.com.au PO Box 114 INDOOROOPILLY QLD 4068Ph: 07 3371 2944 Fax: 07 3870 4103 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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I had a nice 28 minute flight in the Ventus GFN at Adelaide Soaring Club (ASC) at Gawler yesterday. Meanwhile on the Darling Downs the entire fleet and most of the private gliders were also airborne on Sunday. 9000 ft QNH and 8 - 10 kts was there for the taking with only the occasional minor annoyance of having to skirt or fly through a bit of rain. Grumble, all I got on Saturday at Bacchus Marsh was 26 minutes in the club's Jantar Standard 2. It just didn't want to stay in the air for some reason. Greg O'Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Ron Fox wrote: Hullo all from Dublin. This email should be printed, framed and put in every Australian gliding club house as a reminder how good we have it here. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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At 03:00 PM 23/07/04 +1000, you wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859- 1; is needed. queenslanders aren't really parochial - this IS the best place to live. rob izatt Yeah, I don't want to live in Australia again. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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the wave is at boonah every year. up till now only the dg500m has really had a go and has oxy. it also appears we get wave from several different weather systems. more investigation and mapping is needed.queenslanders aren't really parochial - this IS the best place to live.rob izatt - Original Message From: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Boring ReportDate: 22/07/04 23:48From: "RF Developments Pty Ltd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From Boonah, this month we had no fewer than 3 wave flights, one to16,000ftand we could have gone higher as it was still 4 knots climb, views out toByron bay lighthouse and the gold coast high-rises - outside OAT on -5 ,inside a toasty 5 degrees.Yes, but from Bunyan, 21000ft was just one week in the season, whereas foryou 16000 is the most memorable in months. ...and he did say that he couldsee the Tasman Sea and the snowfields - both of them are rather moreattractive sights to most than Gold Coast high rises.The Cunningham wave system allows us to thermal from 1300AGL from a ridgeatthe side of the airstrip up to FL180 without approvals, the wave seems tobebest at 220 to 270 degrees. My last aerotow into the thermal rotor was 8units at 1500ft AGL release with no agro rotor turbulance, a few years agoaBoonah pilot got to 25,000ft.Great, but at Bunyan they get 25000 ft several times just about everyseason, not just once in 5 years.The interesting thing about this wave system is that it may be possible tofly south, joining up with other divide systems and fly from here to Vicboarder, would require uninhibited approvals and extended high altitudetime, the Kiwi's do it all the time but we don't get the practice of X/Cwave flights over distance.That's because you stay in Queensland instead of going to Bunyan to practiceeach winter!Any of you Mexicans that come up here for a winter break should bringgliderin tow and between June and August is the wave season here, leave it atBoonah and when its on get a check flight and experience the friendlyQueensland wave!What's UNfriendly about Bunyan's wave?I'm sure Queensland is fine Nigel but it simply isn't the best forEVERYthing! I've never tried to talk anyone into living in my state butevery Queenslander I meet wants me to shift to his - as though livingelsewhere is a subtle vote of no confidence in Queensland. There'ssomething unnerving about this high a level of insecurity in so many people.:)We all accept Queenslanders' paranoia about NSW and Victoria but forheaven's sake, let the poor little ACT have something! Their wave IS betterthan yours. By far!Remember the number plate slogan: ACT - Better than you think!Graeme CantNigel Andrews-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LeighBuntingSent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:28 PMTo: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Reportskf1 wrote: Two weeks ago I had a wonderful flight of 3 hours up to 21,000ft, I could see the Tasman Sea and the NSW snow fields at the same time, and where else could I do that? Orright, orright!! :-DLeigh BuntingColonel Light GardensSouth AustraliaOpen Windows and let the bugs in___Aus-soaring mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___Aus-soaring mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring_Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;9577691;9687279;r?http://www.promo.com.au/virgincreditcard/plasticsurgery/track.cfm?source=P08___Aus-soaring mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Message sent using Dodo Internet Webmail Server ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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At 02:36 PM 20/07/04 +1000, you wrote: Leigh, Contrary to Australian folk lore, Canberra weather is only really cold by Australian standards for about 8 to 10 weeks of the year, the remainder of the time, it is great - not to hot, cold or humid, and none of those destructive storms we see in what has become the retirement meka for many Australians, SE Qld. I'll take the odd thunderstorm over bushfires that destroy suburbs. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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skf1 wrote: Two weeks ago I had a wonderful flight of 3 hours up to 21,000ft, I could see the Tasman Sea and the NSW snow fields at the same time, and where else could I do that? Orright, orright!! :-D Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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where else could I do that? From Boonah, this month we had no fewer than 3 wave flights, one to 16,000ft and we could have gone higher as it was still 4 knots climb, views out to Byron bay lighthouse and the gold coast high-rises - outside OAT on -5 , inside a toasty 5 degrees. The Cunningham wave system allows us to thermal from 1300AGL from a ridge at the side of the airstrip up to FL180 without approvals, the wave seems to be best at 220 to 270 degrees. My last aerotow into the thermal rotor was 8 units at 1500ft AGL release with no agro rotor turbulance, a few years ago a Boonah pilot got to 25,000ft. The interesting thing about this wave system is that it may be possible to fly south, joining up with other divide systems and fly from here to Vic boarder, would require uninhibited approvals and extended high altitude time, the Kiwi's do it all the time but we don't get the practice of X/C wave flights over distance. Any of you Mexicans that come up here for a winter break should bring glider in tow and between June and August is the wave season here, leave it at Boonah and when its on get a check flight and experience the friendly Queensland wave! Cheers Nigel Andrews -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:28 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Report skf1 wrote: Two weeks ago I had a wonderful flight of 3 hours up to 21,000ft, I could see the Tasman Sea and the NSW snow fields at the same time, and where else could I do that? Orright, orright!! :-D Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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skf1 wrote: Hey if you think 10c was cold - check out this Temp trace from Cooma, approx 20km from Bunyan - home of the Canberra Gliding Club. Standby for the Bunyan Snow Report. Hey Stuart, That's Canberra for you. And exactly why my daughter can hardly wait to finish her PhD and get outa there. Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Christopher Mc Donnell wrote: Would you please advise whether you replaced with a carbon fibre tailskid on the Grunau as you did before? Yep. Another carbon-fibre model. This time lighter again with a TIVAR rubbing plate, courtesy of the AUGC. The carbon-fibre tape came from that ultra-freezer - Canberra - because no one was stocking it locally. This piece of indestructable high tech failing at the vintage regatta and stealing several hours flying from you. True. Serves me right for not having a spare. That has now been fixed. You are supposed to use the original equipment which is a cut leaf spring from 1936 BMW Sports or a Mercedes SSK. Frankly, I would rather have the skid break than the rear end of the fuse. Easier to make up a skid than repair the wood bits. In addition, all-up-weights appeared to have been treated more like reccommendations in the old days. These days, you need the lightest airframe possible so that more than a jockey can legally fly the old birds. As you will find out with the Kingy(s), I'm sure. Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Patching wrote: Cold isn't a word we use sparingly at BCS over the winter. Tell me about it. I froze my butt off on Jan 2nd, 1997(?) and 3rd and 4th at the Ararat regatta. That's 'normal' for Victoria, isn't it? Great day, good fun, good comraderie and free. Excellent. Hope some of it rubbed off on to the great unwashed populace. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Hey if you think 10c was cold - check out this Temp trace from Cooma, approx 20km from Bunyan - home of the Canberra Gliding Club. Standby for the Bunyan Snow Report. SDF -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leigh Bunting Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2004 4:50 PM To: Soaring List Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Report For those in the northern parts, it is bloody freezing in the southern end of the country. At Whitwarta on Saturday, it might have been barely 10°C. The wind chill factor reduced that by several more. It was soarable but difficult. Catherine took the club Hornet on an 75K XC but missed out getting back by 5K because of the weather cycles. Where it was sunny, or under an active passing Cu, there was a tight thermal. But there was plenty of shadow and overdevelopement. I had mounted a new tailskid on my Grunau, so took it for a testfly. The temperature of the 40kt slipstream, if I poked my face passed the windshield, would try to peel the skin off your face. Under Cu, in a weak thermal and light rain, it was pretty cool in the open cockpit anyway. With a theoretical L/D of 17, drifting downwind very far was not an option. Later on, I introduced a couple of our young pilots to some high-G turns in the K21. Big deal - you say. These G's had a minus sign in front of them. Heidi loved it. Andrew reserved his judgement. At least it pushed some blood upwards and made us feel nice and warm. C'mon summer - so we can complain about the heat and flies. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring attachment: COM Temp trace 18 July.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Leigh, Would you please advise whether you replaced with a carbon fibre tailskid on the Grunau as you did before? This piece of indestructable high tech failing at the vintage regatta and stealing several hours flying from you. You are supposed to use the original equipment which is a cut leaf spring from 1936 BMW Sports or a Mercedes SSK. If you used the original part I am sure you will not experience the tissue rejection again. - Original Message - From: Leigh Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2004 4:19 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Report For those in the northern parts, it is bloody freezing in the southern end of the country. At Whitwarta on Saturday, it might have been barely 10°C. The wind chill factor reduced that by several more. It was soarable but difficult. Catherine took the club Hornet on an 75K XC but missed out getting back by 5K because of the weather cycles. Where it was sunny, or under an active passing Cu, there was a tight thermal. But there was plenty of shadow and overdevelopement. I had mounted a new tailskid on my Grunau, so took it for a testfly. The temperature of the 40kt slipstream, if I poked my face passed the windshield, would try to peel the skin off your face. Under Cu, in a weak thermal and light rain, it was pretty cool in the open cockpit anyway. With a theoretical L/D of 17, drifting downwind very far was not an option. Later on, I introduced a couple of our young pilots to some high-G turns in the K21. Big deal - you say. These G's had a minus sign in front of them. Heidi loved it. Andrew reserved his judgement. At least it pushed some blood upwards and made us feel nice and warm. C'mon summer - so we can complain about the heat and flies. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Do you fit the tug with skis ;-) Redmond * Hey if you think 10c was cold - check out this Temp trace from Cooma, approx 20km from Bunyan - home of the Canberra Gliding Club. Standby for the Bunyan Snow Report. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Cold isn't a word we use sparingly at BCS over the winter. Most use words like Bloody Freezing to cover the weather. BUT today we did have fun. As part of the Geelongs GC 75th Anniversary we were involved in a display at Belmont Common in Geelong. The display consisted of ground exhibits of the GGC DG-300, GDH and the Aust. Gliding Museums Zogling Primary. From BCS by aerotow came the S/W Kookaburra GNZ with Caleb White and Wayne Mackleybehind the Super Cub and the Duo Discus VRD behind the Pawnee. Team Golden Eagle rigged at Grovedale, a bit closer to the Common and met Geoff Mc Donalds Auster from BCS. Everything actually worked and the formation joined up for a circuit of the Common. It looked fantastic and the crowd was suitably impressed. The crowd was good as the local paper ran a story the day before and people turned up for a look. Great day, good fun, good comraderie and free. Look for a story next VT. Cheers to the lot of you. Keep warm Ian P. - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Report Leigh, Would you please advise whether you replaced with a carbon fibre tailskid on the Grunau as you did before? This piece of indestructable high tech failing at the vintage regatta and stealing several hours flying from you. You are supposed to use the original equipment which is a cut leaf spring from 1936 BMW Sports or a Mercedes SSK. If you used the original part I am sure you will not experience the tissue rejection again. - Original Message - From: Leigh Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2004 4:19 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring Report For those in the northern parts, it is bloody freezing in the southern end of the country. At Whitwarta on Saturday, it might have been barely 10°C. The wind chill factor reduced that by several more. It was soarable but difficult. Catherine took the club Hornet on an 75K XC but missed out getting back by 5K because of the weather cycles. Where it was sunny, or under an active passing Cu, there was a tight thermal. But there was plenty of shadow and overdevelopement. I had mounted a new tailskid on my Grunau, so took it for a testfly. The temperature of the 40kt slipstream, if I poked my face passed the windshield, would try to peel the skin off your face. Under Cu, in a weak thermal and light rain, it was pretty cool in the open cockpit anyway. With a theoretical L/D of 17, drifting downwind very far was not an option. Later on, I introduced a couple of our young pilots to some high-G turns in the K21. Big deal - you say. These G's had a minus sign in front of them. Heidi loved it. Andrew reserved his judgement. At least it pushed some blood upwards and made us feel nice and warm. C'mon summer - so we can complain about the heat and flies. -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] boring report
Cold! Cold?! It was freezing in N.Q. too temp didn't get over 26 and we couldn't get above 7,300' no matter how hard we tried, must be clobal warming or something stuffing up the weather. Somebody's gotta do something Grant Harper ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] boring report
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:45:30 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cold! Cold?! It was freezing in N.Q. too temp didn't get over 26 and we couldn't get above 7,300' no matter how hard we tried, must be clobal warming or something stuffing up the weather. Somebody's gotta do something Move to NQ perhaps? -- Renmark, Waikerie and similar latitudes ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring Report - A Croweater at Camden
Leigh Bunting wrote: Derek Ruddock wrote: It seems like the infamous Camden blue hole was working in your favour. Funny about that, people did mention about the blue hole! The Camden Blue Hole is, in Sydney's gliding circles, almost as legendary as the Kangaroo Valley Black Panther. There's a lot of conjecture as to what causes this phenomenon, where the sky above Camden is totally blue, yet the rest of the Sydney Basin is either socked in with 8/8 cloud, or covered in lovely Cu. Sometimes, a reversal occurs, where Camden is the only place with the Cu, and everywhere else is blue. There's seldom times when we're the only place that's socked in though :-) Some say it's the presence of the Nepean river, running nearly 3/4 the way around the perimeter of the airport. Perhaps the river alters the local water table, which leads to different ground temperatures and thus rates of air warming. Others have speculated on the surrounding geography, which alters the weather factory in the parcel of air around Camden. Certainly, I work at Minto, about 17 km as the crow flies from Camden, and we have NEVER had a hail storm there in the 14 years I've been there. Yet surrounding districts, and especially The Crossroad (near Liverpool), regularly get battered with those big green clouds full of hail. At Minto they just seem to split apart as they come from the SW, and then re-form again to our NE. Geography seems to be the most often suggested reason for this phenomenon. Mother Nature doing what she does best - keeping us mere mortals guessing and in compete awe ! Isn't the DG lovely? Very nice indeed. I'm glad you got to have a flight. She's a lovely bird. It's a pity I missed you. Next time if any Aus-Soarers are heading to Camden, why not let us know first ? We'll always do our absolute best treat you right. But, even more pleasing to me is that our Club is obviously visitor-focussed even if you turn up unannounced ! And for those planning on coming to Camden for Back to Camden week in September (details in the July Soaring Australia magazine, I believe), you might be as lucky as Leigh was in the DG. Cheers Jason Armistead -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring Report - A Croweater at Camden
I'm glad you got into the air Leigh. The reason I didn't turn up was that it was raining cats dogs at my house, about 70km to the north. The TAF was for broken cloud at 1000. The automatic weather station at the field was dewpoint 13 temperature 13 humidity 100 per cent. In the previous week, we had 275mm of rain. I decided to give it a miss... It seems like the infamous Camden blue hole was working in your favour. Isn't the DG lovely? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28/05/03 23:34:53 Last Friday I was in Sydney on business, so I took the opportunity to stay the weekend. The primary reason was to visit the principle builder of my Grunau Baby from 50 years ago, but he was only available on Sunday afternoon. Hence I thought that I could visit the Camden mob to sample the gliding scene. My Grunau was also flown at Camden in the late50's/early 60's. Unfortunately the weather wasn't conducive to a good flight and on Saturday I had a 21 minute flight with Paul in the Sydney Gliding Club K13 in air that was dead smooth as we wafted down to ground level from the 3000' tow. I haven't flown a K13 for 30 years. To be sure that flying at Camden is different from Balaklava. Firstly the aviation traffic. With the heavies up above the 4500' airspace limit, they certainly look a lot closer up high on the perch. At our level, I understood that power was supposed to remain north and gliders south of Camden, but the power fraternity seem to treat that fairly loosely with twins and choppers needing to be avoided. Secondly, at Balak, every paddock is an airfield for 100km radius. Options at Camden are tight to say the least; being desperate for somewhere to flop down other than the airfield must markedly increase the pucker factor. Thirdly, a river surrounds three sides of the airfield with dense and tall vegetation covering its banks. So final turn over the retirement village with the river and trees on approach to one-zero cuts undershoot options to a definite zero. I was hoping for a trundle in the very new DG-1000 but a constant stream of AEF's and an IS28 out of action followed by ops being shutdown by a threatening thunderstorm ended the day. However, the day wasn't a total loss with powered kites providing steady entertainment including aerobatic displays from a Citabria, Pitts and Sukoi. A couple of blokes (and list members) turned up from Canberra to check out a Hornet being considered as their personnel flugzeugwagen. I believe the smiles said it all after their test flights. During Saturday night the heavens opened. I wished it had been daylight. Don't see rain like that in SA these days. With nothing else to do on Sunday morning, I ventured out to the airfield early. Eventually the sky broke open and Richard Shemtob, the Southern Cross tow pilot for the day arrived. After a couple of phone calls, some others turned up and then more on their own accord, so the DG was dragged out for my benefit and I had a couple of tows though the sparse Cu at 2000' and sampled the delights of this very pleasant flying machine with Andrew in the backseat. Andrew demo-ed its spinning characteristics while I sampled its aerobatic capabilities. On the second flight, thermals had started on which we could have stayed up, but I was starting to be seriously time-challenged and had to end it. I'm sorry that Jason and Derek couldn't make it during my time there. Its always good to see the faces behind the postings. But my thanks go to the hospitality of the Southern Cross Gliding Club and the Sydney guys for making my visit memorable. My afternoon visit to Kel Gore, who was a main man in the early days of the Illarwara Soaring Club in the 40's/50's proved extremely fascinating. A further surprise was also meeting Ray Wood, who was also a member of the team. These guys built a Dickson primary, very likely the one that Ray Ash now has, my GB and John Ashford's K2b. Incredible that all three are still airworthy. In the mid-60's these guys moved out of gliding into power by building two Piel Emeralds. Kel went on to build three BD-4's, two of which he still owns; rebuilt a Gypsy Moth, Pitts Special and had a hand in other Moths and to top it off rebuilt three Stinson L-5's out of 5 imported wrecks. In his eighties, he still runs an aviation business at Hoxton Park. Seeing the photos of these old gliders from the 50's was a highlight with some showing my GB in the construction phase. Hoping you are all satisfactorily bored, now back to the arguments over safety and contest rules. Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring Report - A Croweater at Camden
Derek Ruddock wrote: It seems like the infamous Camden blue hole was working in your favour. Funny about that, people did mention about the blue hole! Isn't the DG lovely? Very nice indeed. Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Open Windows and let the bugs in -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:11:07PM +1000, Philip Armytage wrote: Cheers and lets have some more boring spring stories! We've had a Westerly airstream over South Australia for most of the last week, which has brought us some pretty good flying weather: Westerlies make our ridge work at AUGC. A few of us took a day off last Wednesday; Between the three of us we clocked up nearly 7 hours of flying time. Cu at 4,500' with a 4 kt thermal under every cloud made the going easy -- The ridge was going like gangbusters but we didn't care too much because the thermals were stronger and higher. There's something particularly satisfying about making a phone call from the cockpit in the middle of the week to tell someone else that you're flying while they're at work :-) I went to Lochiel again on Saturday for a very similar day, except with 3 kt thermals under Cu at between 3,000' and 3,500'. I flew our Pik for about two and a half hours, with easy climbs to cloudbase. One particularly memorable Cu over the south end of our ridge was a boomer: It was an elongated cloud, about 10km long into wind. Cruising at 60 kts in the Pik, the averager was showing 8 kts up 'til I neared cloudbase and it rained on me (bloody Virga - I guess it's one way to turn a Pik 20D into an Arrow :-). Wet wings put me into brick-mode, but the ridge was close enough to keep me up until they dried out. I finished off with some Bergfalke flying on the ridge at the end of the day after the thermals died out. So I've clocked up almost 7 hours of flying from two days at AUGC; not bad for spring time, hope it's an omen for the summer to come :-) - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
RE: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa
Mark You forgot to mention those of us that took Friday off :-) (because we were sick of the SMS messages and automated ridge reports). I had 3 hours in the Ventus before it was David's turn. Cloudbase was 5,000'! But I had to get down to the ridge so David could take some photos and video. David then spent the rest of the afternoon chasing the Pik. We also stayed for Saturday and went right up the ridge line to Barn Hill (about 40km away) then back. Then David and I swapped and I instructed in the Puchatek for the afternoon before giving the boys 15 mins each on the ridge at the end of the day. We really are lucky to have that ridge. I'll try to put some photos taken Friday up sometime soon. -Cath -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Newton A few of us took a day off last Wednesday; -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa
Hi Mark Sounds like our flight in the ASH 25 was not a waste of time after all. Bernard Eckey Ph. (08) 8356 8565 (W) Ph. (08) 8449 2871 (H) Fax (08) 8356 8565 (W) Fax (08) 8242 3698 (H) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:11:07PM +1000, Philip Armytage wrote: Cheers and lets have some more boring spring stories! We've had a Westerly airstream over South Australia for most of the last week, which has brought us some pretty good flying weather: Westerlies make our ridge work at AUGC. A few of us took a day off last Wednesday; Between the three of us we clocked up nearly 7 hours of flying time. Cu at 4,500' with a 4 kt thermal under every cloud made the going easy -- The ridge was going like gangbusters but we didn't care too much because the thermals were stronger and higher. There's something particularly satisfying about making a phone call from the cockpit in the middle of the week to tell someone else that you're flying while they're at work :-) I went to Lochiel again on Saturday for a very similar day, except with 3 kt thermals under Cu at between 3,000' and 3,500'. I flew our Pik for about two and a half hours, with easy climbs to cloudbase. One particularly memorable Cu over the south end of our ridge was a boomer: It was an elongated cloud, about 10km long into wind. Cruising at 60 kts in the Pik, the averager was showing 8 kts up 'til I neared cloudbase and it rained on me (bloody Virga - I guess it's one way to turn a Pik 20D into an Arrow :-). Wet wings put me into brick-mode, but the ridge was close enough to keep me up until they dried out. I finished off with some Bergfalke flying on the ridge at the end of the day after the thermals died out. So I've clocked up almost 7 hours of flying from two days at AUGC; not bad for spring time, hope it's an omen for the summer to come :-) - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa
- Original Message - From: Philip Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa Thought the list was quiet, and I have discovered how allergic I am to silence... Me too. It means I am in a stall or upside down at the top of a loop without enough speed and about to fall into my straps..:-)) PeterS -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:56:10AM +0930, Bernhard Eckey wrote: Sounds like our flight in the ASH 25 was not a waste of time after all. Oh, I never thought it was -- I'd happily kick other people out of the queue to do it again, too. :-) - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82231777 - -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring, NOT
Kevin, What frequency were you on. I called on all three usual ones, then came to the conclusion that I was the only person flying cross country in SE Qld. I dig Kingaroy Chinchilla DDSC in under thre hours. About 300K. Regards Bob Ward Ventus 2CM BW - Original Message - From: kevin saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Boring, NOT Visit to Kingaroy last Sunday. 6 kts to 7000' and plenty of CU's. First flight in Duo Discus, with Luke Dodd. 200k at over 100 kph. Very pleasant. Kevin Saunders. GCWA. - Original Message - From: Ashford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Boring, NOT Alice Springs was looking good all week but Saturday saw high cirrus masking the sun. A bit doubtfull for cross country but a couple of short ones were achieved. 12500' till 1700hours then shut down. Just a pleasant flying day. John Ashford - Original Message - From: Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [aus-soaring] Boring, NOT Saturday - it rained in the Riverland. Seems a long time since that happened. Sunday - blue skies developing fluffy Cus. I scored the Mosquito (yay). In one place, the lift was still strong when I left at cloudbase (4500 feet). Found two sustained 6 knot climbs, mostly 3 or 4 knots though. Although it wasn't a day for huge XC flights, it was a pretty pleasant flight. I sometimes catch myself thinking summer's over, no gliding but it ain't so. How'd everyone else go? -- I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring, NOT
Alice Springs was looking good all week but Saturday saw high cirrus masking the sun. A bit doubtfull for cross country but a couple of short ones were achieved. 12500' till 1700hours then shut down. Just a pleasant flying day. John Ashford - Original Message - From: Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [aus-soaring] Boring, NOT Saturday - it rained in the Riverland. Seems a long time since that happened. Sunday - blue skies developing fluffy Cus. I scored the Mosquito (yay). In one place, the lift was still strong when I left at cloudbase (4500 feet). Found two sustained 6 knot climbs, mostly 3 or 4 knots though. Although it wasn't a day for huge XC flights, it was a pretty pleasant flight. I sometimes catch myself thinking summer's over, no gliding but it ain't so. How'd everyone else go? -- I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring Saturday in SA
Hi Peter YBE did 873 km in 6.75 hours from takeoff to landing. Balaklava-Blinman-Peterborough- Morgan- Waikerie- Balaklava. Kind regards Bernard - Original Message - From: Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: [aus-soaring] Boring Saturday in SA I flew out of Port Augusta in my Nimbus, taking a launch at 2pm with the temperature around 42 degrees. As I was crewing for 2 other gliders I had to ensure that I didn't outland. I spent 3 hrs between 12,000 and 15,000ft at a cool 0.6 degrees outside. Did a leisurely 550km then went on a retrieve. What flights did other people do on Saturday in SA? Did FN out of Gawler achieve his 1000km attempt? Peter Robinson IUS _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] Boring Saturday in SA
I spent 3 hrs between 12,000 and 15,000ft at a cool 0.6 degrees outside. Beats hanging around on the ground. What flights did other people do on Saturday in SA? Waikerie had a big day - one 1000 km, three 750s, etc etc. Details at http://www.waikerieglidingclub.com.au/news.htm -- monday (sigh), at least it's raining -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING
I got 6.3 on the averager to 7500(ceiling) on Sunday. shot off down to Mittagong (about 50k) back without losing any height. Not bad for a spring day at Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/10/01 8:54:45 John I think I shall emigrate to the west !!! Love that Cirrus (When it stops raining I might even fly it !!!) Date sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:04:08 +0800 From: John Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [aus-soaring] BORING Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrific weekend on the west coast, Saturday post frontal condition were superb, I got 4 turns at 10.5 on the averager in one burster. ANDREW WRIGHT -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING BORING BORING BORING
First WA Interclub day of the season on Saturday; only Mike Yankee Pik WK from Beverley, SZD55 IF Astir CS WUO from Cunderdin. Early start with westerly airmass change forecast. Great soaring ahead of the change with 6.5knots average to ~ 6000'. To explain to those not in the know, WA interclub is a decentralised course of Cunderdin airfield - Narrogin Silo - Narrogin airfield - Beverley Airfield (302kms, each club goes clockwise, happens every third Saturday of the month during the soaring season. I got round at 65kph, not my fastest, but it went very scratchy when the replacement airmass came in (see, I did learn something in SA last year!). IF got round as well, WUO crossed my bows scuttling back to Cunderdin from halfway to Narrogin, and I had the pleasure of passing over the Pik in a paddock just on the outskirts of Narrogin Town. Oh, how I love that Hornet John. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING BORING BORING BORING
Latest pictures of Beverley's new ASK21 rolling out of Schleicher's. Should be with us in about six weeks, isn't it nice and shiny? http://vader.nw.com.au/~j.welsh/BSSASK21.htm Regards, John. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING BORING BORING BORING
But I did. So here is a BORING report from Adelaide. Saturday at the ASC was a magic day. 4 to 6 knots to 4 to 5000 feet, under Cu, for most of the day. The first good weekend day for months. Lots of passengers and club flying. A taste of things to come I hope! Sunday - I didn't fly due to hangover. (Three beers and I'm anyones.) Those that did fly said it was a tough day with strong winds. Roll on Summer! From: Michael_Texler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[aus-soaring] BORING BORING BORING BORING Date sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:52:45 +0930 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will will start the ball rolling again. I didn't go gliding last weekend :-( Look no attachments! -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. ANDREW WRIGHT -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING Or was it really gliding.
If you rename the pie cart, the pilots won't know where to go!!! you will then need a paper on the change and then a resolution, then a briefing. OH no, they have renamed the briefing room and nobody knows where to go for the briefing! (very much tounge in cheek) At 06:46 PM 17/10/01 +0930, you wrote: Boring Reports have an interesting background and have been with us for a while. They probably should be subject to a Heritage Order ;-) Next thing they'll want to rename the Pie Cart! Redmond - Original Message -From:ANDREW WRIGHTTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 6:52 Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] BORING Or wasit really gliding. I think it is about time that someone explained how theCatchword BORING REPORT came about. It has nothing to do with our feeling towards our sport and if someone wants to massage these reports into a more media friendly format, I think that is great. Sohere goes with the explanation, - Micheal Texler, please correct me if I amwrong. Once upon a time, the aus-soaringnewgroup used to be filled with nasty people firing vitriolic and viciousverbal retorts across the hyperspace continuum. This continued for a whileuntil the people on the good side decided that they were tired of all thisbickering and wanted to talk and read about gliding stuff. One particular pilot took up the challengeand emailed a plea to all in the continuum for a report on what flying theydid on the weekend. It was written something like this, I for one am bored of reading all thishate mail so could someone please post a BORING REPORT (Said with tongue incheek!) on what flying they did on the weekend. Eagerly awaiting yourreports. The offer was taken up in the firstinstance by Micheal Texler who responded with the first ever BORING REPORTEver since then BORING REPORTS have been a regular and eagerly awaited partof aus- soaring communications and the hate mail has stopped. I think if themedia are reading this stuff it must be a very slow news day. And what wouldthey have thought reading all the hate mail that occurred before the BORING REPORT. So I say BORING REPORTS have done agreat thing and should stay. I think we should continue to enjoy the funnyside of things and not take ourselves tooseriously. Nowthat is BORING, but gliding is not. Change the catchword. Oh and Icould only manage 70 mins in weak lift on the weekend at the Canberraclubs site. That is boring as I expect at least 3 hours for the launchcost. Can we use a catchword that would attract attention ina newspaper.. please. Alan Wilson 0262316 404 Would rather be above 8,000 than on the ground talking aboutflying. See also www.canberragliding.org -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ANDREW WRIGHT Sent: 16 October 2001 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] BORING Reading all these BORING reports about flying at other sitesreminds me of the joke going around Adelaide right now. Qu. - How can you tell it is a weekend in Adelaide? Ans. -Cos it's raining ROLL ON SUMMER !!! Renmark, Sunday 14th: Two launches, Blanik (2.5 hourflight) and Hornet (your humble reporter, 1.5 hour flight). Somestreeting visible from the ground, roughly WSW with a directionchange a few miles west. The first th -- *You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe:send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribeaus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the bodyof the message for more information. ANDREW WRIGHT -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. Regards Mark Morgan Waikerie Glider Maintenance Po Box 320 Waikerie SA 5330 ph. 08 8541 2644 fax 08 8541 2761 -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING Or was it really gliding.
You really had to be around when the newsgroup seemed to be dominated by anti-GFA anti-CASA anti-AG diatribes and rebuttals to appreciate BORING old gliding reports. I always scan my inbox for the boring ones first. I like traditions like calling someone "Lofty" who is really vertically challenged, or "Bluey" for someone with red hair, or the myriad of other apparently contradictory catchwords. Even "terrific" started out meaning something rather less than "good". Listen to what kids say when they think something is really excellent. I might be out of date but I've heard "sick" recentlymeaning "wonderful". Of course it's got nothing to do with my day gig as a heritage bureaucrat, but maybe an interim protection order on the use of BORING while we assess its cultural heritage significance is not such a bad idea. Nah! I'd much rather do some boring old gliding. After all, I'm a paddock landing short of my C (which sounds like one of those great Oz expressions meaning "not all there"!) Patrick
RE: [aus-soaring] BORING Or was it really gliding.
Hi, I'm new to soaring (though I have a PPL) and to the list, so "renaming the Pie Cart" raises a question. At Geelong the PieCart really was a pie van, so the name made sense and I didn't think anything of it (it even sells pies!) I presume most clubs have some kind of mobile office... Is it always called a "Pie Cart"? Andrew. -Original Message-From: Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 19:16To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] BORING Or was it really gliding. "Boring Reports" have an interesting background and have been with us for a while. They probably should be subject to a Heritage Order ;-) Next thing they'll want to rename the "Pie Cart"! Redmond
Re: [aus-soaring] BORING
- Original Message - From: Pete Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:28 Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] BORING Renmark, Sunday 14th: Two launches, Blanik (2.5 hour flight) and Hornet (your humble reporter, 1.5 hour flight). Some streeting visible from the ground, roughly WSW with a direction change a few miles west. The first thermal, found for me by the tuggie (thanks Erwin) averaged 600 fpm - I didn't find another one like it. Cloudbase 5800 feet. I felt brave and headed for Moorook, 30 km upwind: easy. Monday looked like an even better day, but you have to do something to pay for the launches etc. Roll on December! -- Pete Siddall Renmark Gliding Club www.riverland.net.au/renglide -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
