Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

 Consequently, should this Bill pass, first cab off the rank will be
initial TANs requesting metadata:


   - tracking convoys of (possibly illegal) motorcycle enthusiast groups
   - tracking the weekend night movements of dance enthusiast groups


with followup TCNs to automate the process. Unfortunately, once you let the
geni out of the bottle, and allow for police to track people’s movements,
and correlate these to social groups and behaviours, there’s no telling
where it may wind up. It’s certainly a consequence of the legislation that
would amaze the great majority of Australian citizens if the Government
were to consider this reasonable or proportionate.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 17:28, Robert Hudson  wrote:

> I do wonder what the logic is behind who they are speaking to as well...
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 10:42 am Nathan Brookfield <
> nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au wrote:
>
>> Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!
>>
>> Nathan Brookfield
>> Chief Executive Officer
>>
>> Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
>> http://www.simtronic.com.au
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins  wrote:
>>
>> Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018
>>
>> *Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill*
>>
>> The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other Legislation
>> Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held on *Friday, 16
>> November 2018* in Sydney. The Committee will hear from academics,
>> statutory oversight agencies, and industry peak bodies.
>> Details of the public hearing:
>>
>> *9:00 am – 3.15pm SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St,
>> Sydney (Carrington Room)*
>>
>> The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at www.aph.gov.au/live.
>>
>> The full program of the hearing is available at
>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings
>>
>> Additional hearings will be held in *Canberra on 27 and 30 November*.
>> Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the Committee’s
>> website.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Communications Alliance submission
>>> 
>>>  makes
>>> the point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997
>>> are current extensively used to access metadata.
>>>
>>> It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be
>>> able to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)


 Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance, where
 carriers are already subject to data retention, but the Minister may
 further declare any service provider subject to the metadata regime.


 187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents

 (3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a service to
 be a service to which this Part applies.


 Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of
 Parliament, however nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration being
 rolled over by the Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in perpetuity
 for any service they should designate. All this would lie within the
 provisioned scope of the Minister's powers without any further legislation.

 Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. Access
 under the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as
 voluntary assistance.

 On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins 
 wrote:

> Rob,
> Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.
>
> Kind regards
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson  wrote:
>
>> Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had no notifications
>> at all that additional hearings had been scheduled.
>>
>> There's an another additional day according to the committee website
>> - 27th November.
>>
>> Where did you see if information that they're asking for
>> supplementary submissions?
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy* has weighed in on
>>> the PJCIS review with incandescent criticism:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb=661745
>>>
>>> In my considered view, the Assistance and Access Bill is an example
>>> of a poorly conceived national security measure that is equally as 
>>> likely
>>> to endanger security as not; it is technologically questionnable if it 
>>> can
>>> achieve its aims and avoid introducing 

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

And/or voluntary disclosure per 177 Telecommunications (Interception and
Access) Act 1979
(1) Sections 276, 277 and 278 of the Telecommunications Act 1997 do not
prevent a disclosure by a person (the holder) of information or a document
to an enforcement agency if the disclosure is reasonably necessary for the
enforcement of the criminal law.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 16:37, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> Another avenue for LEAs to access metadata would be via 280(1)(b) where
> disclosure is required under a TCN/TAN (thereby overriding the disclosure
> prohibition o 276)(1)
>
> 280 Authorisation by or under law
>
> (1) Division 2 does not prohibit a disclosure or use of information or a
> document if:
>
> (b) in any other case—the disclosure or use is required or authorised by
> or under law.
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:35, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>> Dutton's argument is premised on a false equivalence.
>>
>> It's perfectly possible to protect against terrorism without throwing out
>> the baby with the bathwater, kicking doors in on data centres and
>> warrantless mass surveillance.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:25, Christian Heinrich <
>> christian.heinr...@cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:43, James Andrewartha 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/labor-accuses-peter-dutton-of-lying-to-politicise-national-security
>>>
>>> Worth nothing that there is still no evidence that WhatsApp was used
>>> during the "Bourke Street attack was “unsophisticated”, consisting of
>>> an offender who had taken “a kitchen knife and thrown a couple of gas
>>> bottles on to the back of the ute”.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>
>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

Another avenue for LEAs to access metadata would be via 280(1)(b) where
disclosure is required under a TCN/TAN (thereby overriding the disclosure
prohibition o 276)(1)

280 Authorisation by or under law

(1) Division 2 does not prohibit a disclosure or use of information or a
document if:

(b) in any other case—the disclosure or use is required or authorised by or
under law.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:35, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> Dutton's argument is premised on a false equivalence.
>
> It's perfectly possible to protect against terrorism without throwing out
> the baby with the bathwater, kicking doors in on data centres and
> warrantless mass surveillance.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:25, Christian Heinrich <
> christian.heinr...@cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:43, James Andrewartha 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/labor-accuses-peter-dutton-of-lying-to-politicise-national-security
>>
>> Worth nothing that there is still no evidence that WhatsApp was used
>> during the "Bourke Street attack was “unsophisticated”, consisting of
>> an offender who had taken “a kitchen knife and thrown a couple of gas
>> bottles on to the back of the ute”.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Christian Heinrich
>>
>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

Dutton's argument is premised on a false equivalence.

It's perfectly possible to protect against terrorism without throwing out
the baby with the bathwater, kicking doors in on data centres and
warrantless mass surveillance.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:25, Christian Heinrich <
christian.heinr...@cmlh.id.au> wrote:

> James,
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:43, James Andrewartha 
> wrote:
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/labor-accuses-peter-dutton-of-lying-to-politicise-national-security
>
> Worth nothing that there is still no evidence that WhatsApp was used
> during the "Bourke Street attack was “unsophisticated”, consisting of
> an offender who had taken “a kitchen knife and thrown a couple of gas
> bottles on to the back of the ute”.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Christian Heinrich
>
> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
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Re: [AusNOG] Metronode/Equinix contact

[Mark Cheeseman (lists)]

Thanks for the off-list replies. I have what I need now.


Cheers,

Mark



From: AusNOG  on behalf of Mark Cheeseman 
(lists) 
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:03:36 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Metronode/Equinix contact


I should have added that the present occupancy is via a third party. Hence the 
lack of current-state knowledge. That detail was in the line that I 
accidentally deleted before sending.




From: AusNOG  on behalf of Mark Cheeseman 
(lists) 
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:51:11 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Metronode/Equinix contact


Hi All,


Can somebody from Equinix/Metronode ping me off-list re some questions I have 
around services, service boundaries etc at the GovDC?

We have a few racks in both locations and I need to discuss a few things with 
the DC provider.

Cheers,
Mark


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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Christian Heinrich]

James,

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:43, James Andrewartha  wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/labor-accuses-peter-dutton-of-lying-to-politicise-national-security

Worth nothing that there is still no evidence that WhatsApp was used
during the "Bourke Street attack was “unsophisticated”, consisting of
an offender who had taken “a kitchen knife and thrown a couple of gas
bottles on to the back of the ute”.


-- 
Regards,
Christian Heinrich

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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Paul Steele]

Thanks for the heads up.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:52 AM Lachlan Gilmour <
lachlan.gilm...@surfpacific.com.au> wrote:

> I've received quite a few notifications from telstra wholesale regarding
> unplanned outages today, screenshot attached.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 11:44 am Paul Steele 
>> We had an outage this morning that appears to align with this chain of
>> messages. We were not receiving text through the TIMS service from about
>> 06:00 EDT until around 10:30 EDT. Telstra have advised us there was no
>> record of any outage or degradation of service this morning.
>> Paul
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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Paul Steele]

We had an outage this morning that appears to align with this chain of
messages. We were not receiving text through the TIMS service from about
06:00 EDT until around 10:30 EDT. Telstra have advised us there was no
record of any outage or degradation of service this morning.
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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[James Andrewartha]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Paul Wilkins wrote:

> "Given that Dutton was straight on the band wagon within hours of the events 
> in Melbourne last week. Im sure this will be
> railroaded through and any opposition will be called out as "weak national 
> security policy".  I think the chances of this not
> going though as first read now is gone from slim to none."
> 
> Matt,
> I can't see that Parliament, collectively, is that reckless. First, since 
> Phelp's won Wentworth, the Bill can't pass the Lower
> House without Labor complicity. If Labor passes it in the Lower House, it 
> means they endorse the policy. I really think there's
> going to be a roadblock there. Then there was always the problem of numbers 
> in the Upper House. They need I think one?
> crossbencher to get over the line.
> 
> All of which flies in the face of serious weight of industry and human rights 
> organisations saying this is a very bad idea -
> including the PJCHR. This is no longer just a question of numbers, those who 
> support this Bill will be held responsible by
> history.

And Labor is pushing back: 
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/labor-accuses-peter-dutton-of-lying-to-politicise-national-security

Also if you're talking short notice, the bill to force search engines to 
remove piracy-related search results and mirror sites, Copyright Amendment 
(Online Infringement) Bill 2018 is now open for submissions, closing 
Tuesday 20 November (less than a week all up).

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Environment_and_Communications/OnlineInfringementBill


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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

Paul,
I'm concerned that under s313(3)c and s280(1)(b) Telecommunications Act
1997, TCNs/TANs can be issued to to create automated warrantless metadata
access, and we've seen little discussion around this, mostly the focus has
been on computer/data warrants.

There also used to be provision for voluntary disclosure by carriers to
LEAs, which either I can't find or has been amended.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:58, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

>
> https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/648206/cisco-raises-grave-concerns-over-assistance-access-bill/
>
> In a submission to parliament, the networking giant expressed "serious
> reservations" regarding provisions within the Bill that "threaten to
> undercut sustained efforts by Cisco and others to develop, deploy and
> maintain technologies that are secure, trustworthy, transparent and
> accountable".
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Paul Brooks 
> wrote:
>
>> The meetings (now 4 in total) have been listed on the Committee website
>> for several weeks.
>> We (IA) were notified of our invitation to appear and speak two weeks ago
>> while they were putting together the detailed runsheet.
>>
>> FWIW tomorrow I'll be appearing for Internet Australia at 2:30pm, and
>> we've brought in Martin Thomson from the IAB to speak to the IAB submission
>> in the same session (the program says Mark Nottingham, but Mark couldn't
>> make it.)
>>
>> The morning session kicks off at 9am with Prof Danny Weitzner from MIT in
>> Boston on audio conference, followed by Stanford Law. Both made excellent
>> submissions, and should be entertaining listening.
>>
>> I plan to be there in the room for the day, if anyone in Sydney turning
>> up in person wants to say g'day.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Paul.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/11/2018 10:41 AM, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
>>
>> Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!
>>
>> Nathan Brookfield
>> Chief Executive Officer
>>
>> Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
>> http://www.simtronic.com.au
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins  wrote:
>>
>> Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018
>>
>> *Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill*
>>
>> The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other Legislation
>> Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held on *Friday, 16
>> November 2018* in Sydney. The Committee will hear from academics,
>> statutory oversight agencies, and industry peak bodies.
>> Details of the public hearing:
>>
>> *9:00 am – 3.15pm SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St,
>> Sydney (Carrington Room)*
>>
>> The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at www.aph.gov.au/live.
>>
>> The full program of the hearing is available at
>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings
>>
>> Additional hearings will be held in *Canberra on 27 and 30 November*.
>> Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the Committee’s
>> website.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Communications Alliance submission
>>> 
>>>  makes
>>> the point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997
>>> are current extensively used to access metadata.
>>>
>>> It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be
>>> able to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)


 Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance, where
 carriers are already subject to data retention, but the Minister may
 further declare any service provider subject to the metadata regime.


 187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents

 (3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a service to
 be a service to which this Part applies.


 Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of
 Parliament, however nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration being
 rolled over by the Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in perpetuity
 for any service they should designate. All this would lie within the
 provisioned scope of the Minister's powers without any further legislation.

 Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. Access
 under the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as
 voluntary assistance.

 On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins 
 wrote:

> Rob,
> Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.
>
> Kind regards
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson  wrote:
>
>> Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but 

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/648206/cisco-raises-grave-concerns-over-assistance-access-bill/

In a submission to parliament, the networking giant expressed "serious
reservations" regarding provisions within the Bill that "threaten to
undercut sustained efforts by Cisco and others to develop, deploy and
maintain technologies that are secure, trustworthy, transparent and
accountable".

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Paul Brooks 
wrote:

> The meetings (now 4 in total) have been listed on the Committee website
> for several weeks.
> We (IA) were notified of our invitation to appear and speak two weeks ago
> while they were putting together the detailed runsheet.
>
> FWIW tomorrow I'll be appearing for Internet Australia at 2:30pm, and
> we've brought in Martin Thomson from the IAB to speak to the IAB submission
> in the same session (the program says Mark Nottingham, but Mark couldn't
> make it.)
>
> The morning session kicks off at 9am with Prof Danny Weitzner from MIT in
> Boston on audio conference, followed by Stanford Law. Both made excellent
> submissions, and should be entertaining listening.
>
> I plan to be there in the room for the day, if anyone in Sydney turning up
> in person wants to say g'day.
>
> cheers,
> Paul.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15/11/2018 10:41 AM, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
>
> Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!
>
> Nathan Brookfield
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
> http://www.simtronic.com.au
>
> On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins  wrote:
>
> Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018
>
> *Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill*
>
> The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other Legislation
> Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held on *Friday, 16
> November 2018* in Sydney. The Committee will hear from academics,
> statutory oversight agencies, and industry peak bodies.
> Details of the public hearing:
>
> *9:00 am – 3.15pm SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St, Sydney
> (Carrington Room)*
>
> The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at www.aph.gov.au/live.
>
> The full program of the hearing is available at
> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings
>
> Additional hearings will be held in *Canberra on 27 and 30 November*.
> Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the Committee’s
> website.
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>> Communications Alliance submission
>> 
>>  makes
>> the point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997
>> are current extensively used to access metadata.
>>
>> It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be
>> able to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)
>>>
>>>
>>> Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance, where
>>> carriers are already subject to data retention, but the Minister may
>>> further declare any service provider subject to the metadata regime.
>>>
>>>
>>> 187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents
>>>
>>> (3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a service to
>>> be a service to which this Part applies.
>>>
>>>
>>> Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of
>>> Parliament, however nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration being
>>> rolled over by the Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in perpetuity
>>> for any service they should designate. All this would lie within the
>>> provisioned scope of the Minister's powers without any further legislation.
>>>
>>> Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. Access
>>> under the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as
>>> voluntary assistance.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rob,
 Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.

 Kind regards
 Paul Wilkins

 On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson  wrote:

> Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had no notifications
> at all that additional hearings had been scheduled.
>
> There's an another additional day according to the committee website -
> 27th November.
>
> Where did you see if information that they're asking for supplementary
> submissions?
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>> *UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy* has weighed in on
>> the PJCIS review with incandescent criticism:
>>
>>
>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb=661745

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Brooks]

The meetings (now 4 in total) have been listed on the Committee website for 
several weeks.
We (IA) were notified of our invitation to appear and speak two weeks ago while 
they
were putting together the detailed runsheet.

FWIW tomorrow I'll be appearing for Internet Australia at 2:30pm, and we've 
brought in
Martin Thomson from the IAB to speak to the IAB submission in the same session 
(the
program says Mark Nottingham, but Mark couldn't make it.)

The morning session kicks off at 9am with Prof Danny Weitzner from MIT in 
Boston on
audio conference, followed by Stanford Law. Both made excellent submissions, and
should be entertaining listening.

I plan to be there in the room for the day, if anyone in Sydney turning up in 
person
wants to say g'day.

cheers,
    Paul.






On 15/11/2018 10:41 AM, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
> Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!
>
> Nathan Brookfield
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
> http://www.simtronic.com.au
>
> On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins  > wrote:
>
> Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018
>
> *Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill*
>
> The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other Legislation 
> Amendment
> (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held on *Friday, 16 November 2018* 
> in
> Sydney. The Committee will hear from academics, statutory oversight agencies, 
> and
> industry peak bodies.
> Details of the public hearing:
> *9:00 am – 3.15pm
> SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St, Sydney (Carrington Room)*
>
> The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at www.aph.gov.au/live
> .
>
> The full program of the hearing is available at
> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings
>
> Additional hearings will be held in *Canberra on 27 and 30 November*.
> Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the Committee’s 
> website.
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins  > wrote:
>
> Communications Alliance submission
> 
> **makes
> the**point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997 
> are
> current extensively used to access metadata.
>
> It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be 
> able to
> rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins  > wrote:
>
> Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)
>
>
> Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance, where
> carriers are already subject to data retention, but the Minister may 
> further
> declare any service provider subject to the metadata regime.
>
>
> 187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents
>
> (3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a service 
> to be a
> service to which this Part applies.
>
>
> Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of
> Parliament, however nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration 
> being
> rolled over by the Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in 
> perpetuity for
> any service they should designate. All this would lie within the 
> provisioned
> scope of the Minister's powers without any further legislation.
>
> Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. 
> Access under
> the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as
> voluntary assistance.
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins  > wrote:
>
> Rob,
> Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.
>
> Kind regards
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson  > wrote:
>
> Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had no
> notifications at all that additional hearings had been 
> scheduled.
>
> There's an another additional day according to the committee 
> website
> - 27th November.
>
> Where did you see if information that they're asking for
> supplementary submissions?
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins 
>  > wrote:
>
> *UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy* has 
> weighed in
> on the PJCIS review with incandescent criticism:
>
> 
> 

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

"Given that Dutton was straight on the band wagon within hours of the
events in Melbourne last week. Im sure this will be railroaded through and
any opposition will be called out as "weak national security policy".  I
think the chances of this not going though as first read now is gone from
slim to none."

Matt,
I can't see that Parliament, collectively, is that reckless. First, since
Phelp's won Wentworth, the Bill can't pass the Lower House without Labor
complicity. If Labor passes it in the Lower House, it means they endorse
the policy. I really think there's going to be a roadblock there. Then
there was always the problem of numbers in the Upper House. They need I
think one? crossbencher to get over the line.

All of which flies in the face of serious weight of industry and human
rights organisations saying this is a very bad idea - including the PJCHR.
This is no longer just a question of numbers, those who support this Bill
will be held responsible by history.

Internet Architecture Board (IAB):
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=be04f858-96b3-4eb9-bab6-22a60c0dffdd=660942
Digital Industry Group Inc (DIGI):
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1=661549
BSA | The Software Alliance:
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=77cc255e-1851-409e-b8b6-6cce08e3b6ab=661056


Law Council of Australia:
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf=661321
Joint Councils for Civil Liberties:
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2=661197
Australian Human Rights Commission:
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94=661055
PJCHR,starts @ p24:
https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en

United Nations Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy:
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb=661745


Kind regards


Paul Wilkins


On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 10:47, Mark Andrews  wrote:

> There was at-least 3 weeks notice of a meeting tomorrow in Sydney even if
> the exact time and place where not known.  I would have expected anyone
> planning to attend would have blocked out the day.
>
> > On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 16:20, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>  New PJCIS Public Hearings
>
> 16 Nov 2018: Sydney, NSW
> 30 Nov 2018: Canberra, ACT
>
>
> > On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:41 am, Nathan Brookfield <
> nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!
> >
> > Nathan Brookfield
> > Chief Executive Officer
> >
> > Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
> > http://www.simtronic.com.au
>
> --
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[Mark Andrews]

There was at-least 3 weeks notice of a meeting tomorrow in Sydney even if the 
exact time and place where not known.  I would have expected anyone planning to 
attend would have blocked out the day.

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 16:20, Paul Wilkins  wrote:
 New PJCIS Public Hearings

16 Nov 2018: Sydney, NSW
30 Nov 2018: Canberra, ACT


> On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:41 am, Nathan Brookfield 
>  wrote:
> 
> Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!
> 
> Nathan Brookfield
> Chief Executive Officer
> 
> Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
> http://www.simtronic.com.au

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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Matt Perkins]

Given that Dutton was straight on the band wagon within hours of the 
events in Melbourne last week. Im sure this will be railroaded through 
and any opposition will be called out as "weak national security 
policy".   I think the chances of this not going though as first read 
now is gone from slim to none.


Matt.



On 15/11/18 10:41 am, Nathan Brookfield wrote:

Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!

Nathan Brookfield
Chief Executive Officer

Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
http://www.simtronic.com.au

On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins > wrote:


Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018

*Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill*

The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other 
Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held 
on *Friday, 16 November 2018* in Sydney. The Committee will hear from 
academics, statutory oversight agencies, and industry peak bodies.

Details of the public hearing:
*9:00 am – 3.15pm
SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St, Sydney (Carrington 
Room)*


The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at www.aph.gov.au/live 
.


The full program of the hearing is available at 
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings


Additional hearings will be held in *Canberra on 27 and 30 November*.
Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the 
Committee’s website.


On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins > wrote:


Communications Alliance submission

**makes
the**point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act
1997 are current extensively used to access metadata.

It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will
similarly be able to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get
warrantless metadata access.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under
Telecommunications Act)


Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance,
where carriers are already subject to data retention, but the
Minister may further declare any service provider subject to
the metadata regime.


187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents

(3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a
service to be a service to which this Part applies.


Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days
of Parliament, however nothing in the Act prevents such a
declaration being rolled over by the Minister, maintaining a
metadata regime in perpetuity for any service they should
designate. All this would lie within the provisioned scope of
the Minister's powers without any further legislation.

Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a
warrant. Access under the Telecommunications Act can be
rendered by the service provider as voluntary assistance.


On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Rob,
Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.

Kind regards
Paul Wilkins

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson
mailto:hud...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had
no notifications at all that additional hearings had
been scheduled.

There's an another additional day according to the
committee website - 27th November.

Where did you see if information that they're asking
for supplementary submissions?

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:

*UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy*
has weighed in on the PJCIS review with
incandescent criticism:


https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb=661745

In my considered view, the Assistance and Access
Bill is an example of a poorly conceived national
security measure that is equally as likely to
endanger security as not; it is technologically
questionnable if it can achieve its aims and avoid
introducing vulnerabilities to the cybersecurity
of all devices irrespective of whether they are
mobiles, tablets, watches, cars, etc., 

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Nathan Brookfield]

Could they possibly give less notice Unbelievable!

Nathan Brookfield
Chief Executive Officer

Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
http://www.simtronic.com.au

On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018

Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill

The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other Legislation 
Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held on Friday, 16 November 
2018 in Sydney. The Committee will hear from academics, statutory oversight 
agencies, and industry peak bodies.
Details of the public hearing:
9:00 am – 3.15pm
SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St, Sydney (Carrington Room)

The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at 
www.aph.gov.au/live.

The full program of the hearing is available at 
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings

Additional hearings will be held in Canberra on 27 and 30 November.
Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the Committee’s website.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Communications Alliance 
submission
 makes the point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997 
are current extensively used to access metadata.

It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be able 
to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)


Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance, where carriers 
are already subject to data retention, but the Minister may further declare any 
service provider subject to the metadata regime.


187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents

(3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a service to be a 
service to which this Part applies.


Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of Parliament, 
however nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration being rolled over by the 
Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in perpetuity for any service they 
should designate. All this would lie within the provisioned scope of the 
Minister's powers without any further legislation.

Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. Access under 
the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as voluntary 
assistance.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Rob,
Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.

Kind regards
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson 
mailto:hud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had no notifications at all 
that additional hearings had been scheduled.

There's an another additional day according to the committee website - 27th 
November.

Where did you see if information that they're asking for supplementary 
submissions?

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy has weighed in on the PJCIS 
review with incandescent criticism:

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb=661745

In my considered view, the Assistance and Access Bill is an example of a poorly 
conceived national security measure that is equally as likely to endanger 
security as not; it is technologically questionnable if it can achieve its aims 
and avoid introducing vulnerabilities to the cybersecurity of all devices 
irrespective of whether they are mobiles, tablets, watches, cars, etc., and it 
unduly undermines human rights including the right to privacy. It is out of 
step with international rulings raising the related issue of how the Australian 
Government would enforce this law on transnational technology companies.

I can't but think that if the Minister for Home Affairs to be doing  well to 
attract the ire of the United Nations and his timing couldn't be better, just 
as the Government has lost control of the House. I'm hopeful the Australian 
media will pick up on the interest of the UN in the Bill, fingers crossed.

Furthermore, the PJCIS, after announcing two additional hearings 16/30 Nov, are 
also asking for supplementary submissions, to be received no later than 26 
November.

Kind regards
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 13:07, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We're at a critical 

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

Media Release: Issue date: 14 November 2018

*Second public hearing on the Encryption Bill*

The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and Other Legislation
Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 will be held on *Friday, 16
November 2018* in Sydney. The Committee will hear from academics, statutory
oversight agencies, and industry peak bodies.
Details of the public hearing:

*9:00 am – 3.15pmSMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St, Sydney
(Carrington Room)*

The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at www.aph.gov.au/live.

The full program of the hearing is available at
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings

Additional hearings will be held in *Canberra on 27 and 30 November*.
Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from the Committee’s
website.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> Communications Alliance submission
> 
>  makes
> the point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997
> are current extensively used to access metadata.
>
> It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be
> able to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>> Coexistence with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)
>>
>>
>> Passage of this Bill will set the stage for mass surveillance, where
>> carriers are already subject to data retention, but the Minister may
>> further declare any service provider subject to the metadata regime.
>>
>>
>> 187A Service providers must keep certain information and documents
>>
>> (3A) The Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a service to be
>> a service to which this Part applies.
>>
>>
>> Such declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of
>> Parliament, however nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration being
>> rolled over by the Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in perpetuity
>> for any service they should designate. All this would lie within the
>> provisioned scope of the Minister's powers without any further legislation.
>>
>> Access to such metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. Access
>> under the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as
>> voluntary assistance.
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rob,
>>> Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson  wrote:
>>>
 Odd.  I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had no notifications
 at all that additional hearings had been scheduled.

 There's an another additional day according to the committee website -
 27th November.

 Where did you see if information that they're asking for supplementary
 submissions?

 On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins 
 wrote:

> *UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy* has weighed in on
> the PJCIS review with incandescent criticism:
>
>
> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb=661745
>
> In my considered view, the Assistance and Access Bill is an example of
> a poorly conceived national security measure that is equally as likely to
> endanger security as not; it is technologically questionnable if it can
> achieve its aims and avoid introducing vulnerabilities to the 
> cybersecurity
> of all devices irrespective of whether they are mobiles, tablets, watches,
> cars, etc., and it unduly undermines human rights including the right to
> privacy. It is out of step with international rulings raising the related
> issue of how the Australian Government would enforce this law on
> transnational technology companies.
>
> I can't but think that if the Minister for Home Affairs to be doing
> well to attract the ire of the United Nations and his timing couldn't be
> better, just as the Government has lost control of the House. I'm hopeful
> the Australian media will pick up on the interest of the UN in the Bill,
> fingers crossed.
>
> Furthermore, the PJCIS, after announcing two additional hearings 16/30
> Nov, are also asking for *supplementary submissions, to be received
> no later than 26 November.*
>
> Kind regards
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 13:07, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>> We're at a critical juncture where the Minister for Home Affairs may
>> get his way and steam roll this Bill through Parliament (how this could
>> play out in both Houses would be interesting, as they'll need either 
>> Labor
>> or one of the independents in the Lower House). Or the Bill gets

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Rob Thomas]

After discussing this internally, I went to check if my (Telstra NBN)
SIP DOT trunk survived - that was down too, between 6:02am and 6:22am
(there's a bit of latency on checks, so it may have been spot-on 6am).

Russell, if you were unaware, you may want to poke someone about that,
too, as (as far as I know) the DOT stuff is meant to be the premium
super-resilient service.

However - honestly - thank you (eg, Telstra) for doing this at pretty
much the best time.  Not a weekend, not at 3am, early enough that it's
not going to affect TOO many people if it goes sideways, but still at
a good time that the early risers will be up and notice it straight
away 8)

This is a pleasant change from 3am things not being noticed for 4
hours and on-call people having to be woken up!

--Rob

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 07:58, Russell Langton  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> The incorrect routes have been corrected a couple of moment ago.
> Please make contact if not restored.
> We are investigating the root cause.
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM Mark Duffell  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Will contact you/others off-list but this is being investigated Telstra side 
>> currently.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 15 Nov 2018, at 08:19, Ben Cooper  wrote:
>> >
>> > Morning Folks,
>> >
>> > Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss routing 
>> > them this morning?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Russell Langton]

Hi All,
The incorrect routes have been corrected a couple of moment ago.
Please make contact if not restored.
We are investigating the root cause.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM Mark Duffell  wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> Will contact you/others off-list but this is being investigated Telstra
> side currently.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 15 Nov 2018, at 08:19, Ben Cooper  wrote:
> >
> > Morning Folks,
> >
> > Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss
> routing them this morning?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Mark Duffell]

Hi Ben,

Will contact you/others off-list but this is being investigated Telstra side 
currently.

Regards,

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Nov 2018, at 08:19, Ben Cooper  wrote:
> 
> Morning Folks,
> 
> Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss routing 
> them this morning?
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Rob Thomas]

> BGPmon says ours was hijacked at 20:19 UTC or 7:19am AEDT.

There appears to have been TWO events this morning.  One at around
6am-ish (non-DST, so 7:19am DST looks correct), and another brief one
at about 7:10am (+1 DST) for 4 minute - the second MAY be unrelated,
but SOME peers in Mega BNE were routing back to me incorrectly (but
not all of them - 1.1.1.1 was responding correctly, but other peers
weren't).

Purely anecdotal, but if someone else saw it, you have confirmation
that it wasn't just you.

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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Nick Stallman]

The Telstra looking glass appears to be routing normally for us just 
within the last couple of minutes.


BGPmon says ours was hijacked at 20:19 UTC or 7:19am AEDT.


On 15/11/18 08:25, Dean Walsh wrote:

Yep, us too, started around 3:16AM for us.

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On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:22 AM Nick Stallman > wrote:


Yep they've stolen my prefix.


https://status.mysau.com.au/pages/incident/5a84da739589b51840c50ca1/5bec9042138af504bc568f11


On 15/11/18 08:19, Ben Cooper wrote:

Morning Folks,

Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss
routing them this morning?

Cheers

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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Jared Hirst]

Yep same here. We have 6-7 prefixes so far.


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Yep, us too, started around 3:16AM for us.

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On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:22 AM Nick Stallman 
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Yep they've stolen my prefix.

https://status.mysau.com.au/pages/incident/5a84da739589b51840c50ca1/5bec9042138af504bc568f11

On 15/11/18 08:19, Ben Cooper wrote:
Morning Folks,

Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss routing them 
this morning?

Cheers

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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Dean Walsh]

Yep, us too, started around 3:16AM for us.

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On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:22 AM Nick Stallman  wrote:

> Yep they've stolen my prefix.
>
>
> https://status.mysau.com.au/pages/incident/5a84da739589b51840c50ca1/5bec9042138af504bc568f11
>
> On 15/11/18 08:19, Ben Cooper wrote:
>
> Morning Folks,
>
> Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss routing
> them this morning?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ben
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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Ben Cooper]

Yeah,

I have coming up on 5 prefixes, (including a /22!) that have been stolen so
far.

Cheers

Ben

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:21 AM Nick Stallman  wrote:

> Yep they've stolen my prefix.
>
>
> https://status.mysau.com.au/pages/incident/5a84da739589b51840c50ca1/5bec9042138af504bc568f11
>
> On 15/11/18 08:19, Ben Cooper wrote:
>
> Morning Folks,
>
> Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss routing
> them this morning?
>
> Cheers
>
> Ben
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Re: [AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Nick Stallman]

Yep they've stolen my prefix.

https://status.mysau.com.au/pages/incident/5a84da739589b51840c50ca1/5bec9042138af504bc568f11


On 15/11/18 08:19, Ben Cooper wrote:

Morning Folks,

Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss 
routing them this morning?


Cheers

Ben


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[AusNOG] Telstra Prefix Hijack?

[Nick Pratley]

Morning all,

Anyone else seeing this? We've seen around 6-7 /24s being pulled up by AS1221 
over the last few hours (some from /23 ranges that we are advertising), 
rerouting traffic that's just looping in their Melbourne network.

Anyone have a contact at Telstra that can help with this?

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[AusNOG] Telstra outage this morning

[Ben Cooper]

Morning Folks,

Anyone else seeing issues with Telstra grabbing prefixes and miss routing
them this morning?

Cheers

Ben
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Re: [AusNOG] Metronode/Equinix contact

[Mark Cheeseman (lists)]

I should have added that the present occupancy is via a third party. Hence the 
lack of current-state knowledge. That detail was in the line that I 
accidentally deleted before sending.




From: AusNOG  on behalf of Mark Cheeseman 
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Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:51:11 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Metronode/Equinix contact


Hi All,


Can somebody from Equinix/Metronode ping me off-list re some questions I have 
around services, service boundaries etc at the GovDC?

We have a few racks in both locations and I need to discuss a few things with 
the DC provider.

Cheers,
Mark


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[AusNOG] Metronode/Equinix contact

[Mark Cheeseman (lists)]

Hi All,


Can somebody from Equinix/Metronode ping me off-list re some questions I have 
around services, service boundaries etc at the GovDC?

We have a few racks in both locations and I need to discuss a few things with 
the DC provider.

Cheers,
Mark


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