Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Karl Auer]

On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 13:04 +1100, Johnathon Brandis wrote:
> I despise troubleshooting the laptop and a fault at the same time,
> thus my love for Mac which just works when your under the pump.

Linux in my case. Same reason :-)

Regards, K.

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Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Johnathon Brandis]

Anyone rocking a windows laptop in there go-bgp-bag ? Just transitioned to 
enterprise and haven’t seen a MacBook whatsoever, just windows as far as the 
eye can see.

I despise troubleshooting the laptop and a fault at the same time, thus my love 
for Mac which just works when your under the pump.

Happy Sunday all.


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> On 18 Nov 2018, at 12:56 am, Nikolai Lusan  wrote:
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>> On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 00:13 +1100, Paul McInerney wrote:
>> and there is its downfall post 9/11 - even to carry it on person
>> (especially in NSW) can be see as criminal carrying a concealed weapon
>> (knife) in public - unless we can prove otherwise!
> 
> This is also true in QLD, and can even extend to things like torches
> (maglite/LED Lenser type things) which can be confiscated as tools of
> vandlaism/breakin. It's not just an affliction of those of us who carry
> such things for work, but also can effect people in recreational activities
> where such tools can be of use. The law used to be that you could carry a
> blade that was smaller that about 5 inches (general rule of thumb was the
> width of a palm), but that changed. I do know people who have had things
> carried in the open confiscated, even when your reason for carrying the
> tool is for genuine work reasons (in once case it was a bartender who
> worked at a couple of places and had a tool that had a small blade and a
> bottle opener on it). I believe the tighter controls over concealed, and
> even open carry, tools like the leatherman or swiss army knives is more
> widespread than just QLD and NSW.
> 
> Personally I tend to wear tactical uniforms, and use tactical platforms
> like MOLLE thigh rigs and duty belts to free my hands up when I'm moving
> about. Everything is in plain view, you get people looking at you funny,
> and a second glance from law enforcement but I've never had any trouble.
> 
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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

This list was intended to highlight salient concerns, and not as a summary
of the areas of real concern. A more complete summary of concerns would
look more like:

1 - Why is there no judicial oversite of these sweeping police powers?
2 - Scope of powers go beyond terrorism and serious crime when it's not
supposed to.
3 - It supports the establishment of the machinery of mass surveillance
when it's not supposed to.
4 - It weakens the Internet's security, when it's not supposed to.
5 - Why are there no limits to ensure issue of TCNs/TANs/TARs are necessary
and proportionate to the human right to privacy, unrevokeable per the
Declaration of Human Rights.
6 - Why the deliberate exclusion/incompatibility of the provisions of the
Privacy Act 1988?
7 - Why are there no limits to ensure issue of TCNs/TANs/TARs are necessary
and proportionate to service providers rights private property,
unrevokeable per the Declaration of Human Rights.
8 - When Police Powers lie with the States, what constitutional head of
power supports the Bill's  scope, without enabling legislation from the
States conferring power? The Constitution confers national security powers,
but the scope of the Bill's police powers exceeds this remit.
9 - Why has the Bill overlooked the obvious alternative of powers spread
across a dozen Law Enforcement Agencies, which is to centralise in one
single agency, providing for greater data security, governance, efficiency,
and accountability.
10 - Why the lack of provisions for accountability for the exercise of
police powers, and checks and balances commensurate to the reach of
sweeping police powers, quite incompatible with the democratic institutions
and traditions of Liberal Democracy?
11 - Why the deliberately curtailed public consultation process and attempt
to ambush both the public and government with this Bill by Dep't Home
Affairs, and representations of public and industry consultations as being
timely and adequate, incompatible with the facts on the public record and
the express concerns of the public, human rights groups, and industry?
12 - Why the absence of recompense for injury to reputation or to service
providers' business, or other injury consequent to police malfeasance or
misfeasance? The Bill's protections are not comprehensive, and where they
make provision, go only as far as to establish lack of liability for
unlawful disclosures.
13 - Why has the government of the day referred this deeply flawed Bill to
the PJCIS, PJCHR, and the SSCSB, for review wasting public time and money,
rather than sending it back to Dep't Home Affairs for a complete overhaul
of it's scope and objectives?

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 13:10, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> These are all good points.
>
> Home Affairs put up this Bill on the premise it's needed to fight
> terrorism and serious crime in the context of increasing use of encryption.
> Unfortunately, this isn't that bill.
>
> Home Affairs seem rather uninterested in explaining why the remit of this
> Bill goes well beyond this:
>
> 1 - Why is there no judicial oversite of these sweeping police powers?
> 2 - Scope of powers go beyond terrorism and serious crime when it's not
> supposed to.
> 3 - It supports the establishment of the machinery of mass surveillance
> when it's not supposed to.
> 4 - It weakens the Internet's security, when it's not supposed to.
> 5 - Why are there no limits to ensure issue of TCNs/TANs/TARs are
> necessary and proportionate to the human right to privacy, unrevokeable per
> the Declaration of Human Rights.
> 6 - Why are there no limits to ensure issue of TCNs/TANs/TARs are
> necessary and proportionate to service providers rights private property,
> unrevokeable per the Declaration of Human Rights.
>
> Unfortunately the way the Bill's drafted, the only limit on the use of the
> Bill's powers is the Dep't Home Affairs.
>
> There's also the very interesting constitutional question, how, when
> Police Powers lie with the States, what constitutional head of power
> supports the Bill's scope, without enabling legislation from the States
> conferring power.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Scott Weeks  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It's still Friday here, so I am looking like I'm working
>> while reading these posts as I only have an hour and a
>> half to go before happy hour starts...  ;-)
>>
>>
>> --- christian.heinr...@cmlh.id.au wrote:
>> From: Christian Heinrich 
>>
>> Also
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/are-encrypted-phones-allowing-criminals-to-get-away-with-murder-20150523-gh82gv.html
>> which was 55 devices and 800 clients.
>>
>> Therefore the TAC et al are overkill within the context of the
>> Australian population of 25,000,000+
>> 
>>
>> This is a joke.  Right?
>>
>> "...with the devices being used to arrange at least two recent
>> murders and hampered investigations into at least two others."
>>
>> "Phantom 

Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Nikolai Lusan]

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On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 00:13 +1100, Paul McInerney wrote:
> and there is its downfall post 9/11 - even to carry it on person
> (especially in NSW) can be see as criminal carrying a concealed weapon
> (knife) in public - unless we can prove otherwise!

This is also true in QLD, and can even extend to things like torches
(maglite/LED Lenser type things) which can be confiscated as tools of
vandlaism/breakin. It's not just an affliction of those of us who carry
such things for work, but also can effect people in recreational activities
where such tools can be of use. The law used to be that you could carry a
blade that was smaller that about 5 inches (general rule of thumb was the
width of a palm), but that changed. I do know people who have had things
carried in the open confiscated, even when your reason for carrying the
tool is for genuine work reasons (in once case it was a bartender who
worked at a couple of places and had a tool that had a small blade and a
bottle opener on it). I believe the tighter controls over concealed, and
even open carry, tools like the leatherman or swiss army knives is more
widespread than just QLD and NSW.

Personally I tend to wear tactical uniforms, and use tactical platforms
like MOLLE thigh rigs and duty belts to free my hands up when I'm moving
about. Everything is in plain view, you get people looking at you funny,
and a second glance from law enforcement but I've never had any trouble.

- -- 
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Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Damien Gardner Jnr]

That’s why you have it in a belt pouch in clear view at all times, and keep
your cabling license (or whatever your trade licensing is) in your wallet,
so there can be no question as to its’ status as a tool of the trade  :)

Never had police or security anywhere ever give me a second glance. Only
had one issue about 8 years ago which was a civilian at a shopping centre
who didn’t understand the definition of a concealed weapon and made enough
noise for security to be called - Who happily apologised for the hassle and
told me to continue on my way, and then explained things to the fellow.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 12:13 am, Paul McInerney  wrote:

> and there is its downfall post 9/11 - even to carry it on person
> (especially in NSW) can be see as criminal carrying a concealed weapon
> (knife) in public - unless we can prove otherwise!
>
> -
> Paul
>
> --
> Paul McInerney,
> Manager, Systems and Engineering
> School of Medical Sciences
> Faculty of Medicine and Health
>
> THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
> Rm N255 - Anderson Stuart Building - F13
> Eastern Avenue, NSW 2006 Australia
>
> P: +61 2 9351 5159 <+61%202%209351%205159>
> M: +61 411 288 030 <+61%20411%20288%20030>
> E: p...@sydney.edu.au
>
> Vice-President, ITPA
> https://www.itpa.org.au
>
> Member, Pride Network
> http://sydney.edu.au/pride-network 
>
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:15 pm, Jake Anderson  wrote:
>
> squirt for me, goes in a pouch on my keyring, use it for everything lol.
>
> oldest - daily driver for diagnostics thinkpad r400
> newest - note 9
> useful - leatherman squirt
> carry around - sidchrome laptop backpack with aformentioned R400, a lenovo
> tablet for angry birds while stuff is running, pocketethernet, literal
> handfull of USB sticks with various live environments and installers of
> linux/windows, the rest of the bag is full of random cables pretty much. Oh
> and one 20 meter cat5 cable. More than once that cable has been donated to
> a cause "temporarily".
>
>
> On 17/11/18 1:14 am, Paul McInerney wrote:
>
> I’m so disappointed no one yet has mentioned carrying a Leatherman (Wave)
> ! It has been a trusted tool to me 
>
> --
> Paul McInerney,
> Manager, Systems and Engineering
> School of Medical Sciences
> Faculty of Medicine and Health
>
> THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
> Rm N255 - Anderson Stuart Building - F13
> Eastern Avenue, NSW 2006 Australia
>
> P: +61 2 9351 5159 <+61%202%209351%205159>
> M: +61 411 288 030 <+61%20411%20288%20030>
> E: p...@sydney.edu.au
>
> Vice-President, ITPA
> https://www.itpa.org.au
>
> Member, Pride Network
> http://sydney.edu.au/pride-network 
>
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 1:02 am, P. D. Castle  wrote:
>
> Only things I carry that haven’t already been mentioned:
> - IEC 14 to AC GPO adapter
> - Small Label Maker
> - roll of Velcro tie
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 6:13 pm, Kosh Naranek  wrote:
>
>> What tools do you carry around for work. - MBP, Mobile, Go-bag of cables
>> (usb-serial, USB-C, HDMI and a USB-c hub, network, USB ethernet, USB-C
>> ethernet, pocket of USB sticks from 2GB to 32GB), pockethernet, screwdriver
>> with common heads.
>> Whats the oldest ? Microsoft Foldable Bluetooth Keyboard (I tend to throw
>> old stuff out).
>> Whats the newest ? 2017 MBP
>> Whats the most useful ? Android phone (USB-C so most of the adaptors work
>> with it and the MBP) or the MBP itself.
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 16:13, Shah Hardik 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does this count:
>>>
>>> What tools do you carry around for work. - Laptop and Mobile
>>> Whats the oldest - Some custom machine with Win 3.1x
>>> Whats the newest - Surface Book2
>>> Whats the most useful - Android Oreo
>>>
>>> Have a wonderful weekend noggers
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jarryd
>>> Sullivan
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018 4:52 PM
>>> To: 'Alex Samad' ; Ausnog 
>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Friday question
>>>
>>> For me -
>>>
>>> Also a krone tool
>>> Pockethernet Network analyser - https://www.pockethernet.com/
>>> 
>>> Laptop with
>>> serial port (no dongles...yay)
>>>
>>> Jarryd Sullivan
>>>
>>>
>>> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Alex Samad
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018 3:17 PM
>>> To: Ausnog 
>>> Subject: [AusNOG] Friday question
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> I asked this a long time ago.
>>>
>>> What tools do you carry around for work.
>>> Whats the oldest - krone tool ?
>>> Whats the newest
>>> Whats the most useful !
>>>
>>> For me
>>> Krone tool
>>> vga grabber - for when you don't have a KVM serial to usb dongle
>>>
>>>
>>> happy friday!
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Paul McInerney]

and there is its downfall post 9/11 - even to carry it on person (especially in 
NSW) can be see as criminal carrying a concealed weapon (knife) in public - 
unless we can prove otherwise!

-
Paul

-- 
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Manager, Systems and Engineering
School of Medical Sciences
Faculty of Medicine and Health

THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
Rm N255 - Anderson Stuart Building - F13
Eastern Avenue, NSW 2006 Australia

P: +61 2 9351 5159
M: +61 411 288 030
E: p...@sydney.edu.au

Vice-President, ITPA
https://www.itpa.org.au

Member, Pride Network
http://sydney.edu.au/pride-network

> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:15 pm, Jake Anderson  wrote:
> 
> squirt for me, goes in a pouch on my keyring, use it for everything lol.
> 
> oldest - daily driver for diagnostics thinkpad r400
> newest - note 9
> useful - leatherman squirt
> carry around - sidchrome laptop backpack with aformentioned R400, a lenovo 
> tablet for angry birds while stuff is running, pocketethernet, literal 
> handfull of USB sticks with various live environments and installers of 
> linux/windows, the rest of the bag is full of random cables pretty much. Oh 
> and one 20 meter cat5 cable. More than once that cable has been donated to a 
> cause "temporarily".
> 
> 
>> On 17/11/18 1:14 am, Paul McInerney wrote:
>> I’m so disappointed no one yet has mentioned carrying a Leatherman (Wave) ! 
>> It has been a trusted tool to me 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Paul McInerney,
>> Manager, Systems and Engineering
>> School of Medical Sciences
>> Faculty of Medicine and Health
>> 
>> THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
>> Rm N255 - Anderson Stuart Building - F13
>> Eastern Avenue, NSW 2006 Australia
>> 
>> P: +61 2 9351 5159
>> M: +61 411 288 030
>> E: p...@sydney.edu.au
>> 
>> Vice-President, ITPA
>> https://www.itpa.org.au
>> 
>> Member, Pride Network
>> http://sydney.edu.au/pride-network
>> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 1:02 am, P. D. Castle  wrote:
>> 
>>> Only things I carry that haven’t already been mentioned:
>>> - IEC 14 to AC GPO adapter
>>> - Small Label Maker
>>> - roll of Velcro tie
>>> 
 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 6:13 pm, Kosh Naranek  wrote:
 What tools do you carry around for work. - MBP, Mobile, Go-bag of cables 
 (usb-serial, USB-C, HDMI and a USB-c hub, network, USB ethernet, USB-C 
 ethernet, pocket of USB sticks from 2GB to 32GB), pockethernet, 
 screwdriver with common heads.
 Whats the oldest ? Microsoft Foldable Bluetooth Keyboard (I tend to throw 
 old stuff out).
 Whats the newest ? 2017 MBP
 Whats the most useful ? Android phone (USB-C so most of the adaptors work 
 with it and the MBP) or the MBP itself.
 
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 16:13, Shah Hardik  
> wrote:
> Does this count:
> 
> What tools do you carry around for work. - Laptop and Mobile
> Whats the oldest - Some custom machine with Win 3.1x
> Whats the newest - Surface Book2
> Whats the most useful - Android Oreo
> 
> Have a wonderful weekend noggers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jarryd
> Sullivan
> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018 4:52 PM
> To: 'Alex Samad' ; Ausnog 
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Friday question
> 
> For me -
> 
> Also a krone tool
> Pockethernet Network analyser - https://www.pockethernet.com/ Laptop with
> serial port (no dongles...yay)
> 
> Jarryd Sullivan
> 
> 
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Alex Samad
> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018 3:17 PM
> To: Ausnog 
> Subject: [AusNOG] Friday question
> 
> Hi
> 
> 
> I asked this a long time ago.
> 
> What tools do you carry around for work.
> Whats the oldest - krone tool ?
> Whats the newest
> Whats the most useful !
> 
> For me
> Krone tool
> vga grabber - for when you don't have a KVM serial to usb dongle
> 
> 
> happy friday!
> Alex
> 
> 
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Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Jake Anderson]

squirt for me, goes in a pouch on my keyring, use it for everything lol.

oldest - daily driver for diagnostics thinkpad r400
newest - note 9
useful - leatherman squirt
carry around - sidchrome laptop backpack with aformentioned R400, a 
lenovo tablet for angry birds while stuff is running, pocketethernet, 
literal handfull of USB sticks with various live environments and 
installers of linux/windows, the rest of the bag is full of random 
cables pretty much. Oh and one 20 meter cat5 cable. More than once that 
cable has been donated to a cause "temporarily".



On 17/11/18 1:14 am, Paul McInerney wrote:
I’m so disappointed no one yet has mentioned carrying a Leatherman 
(Wave) ! It has been a trusted tool to me 


--
Paul McInerney,
Manager, Systems and Engineering
School of Medical Sciences
Faculty of Medicine and Health

THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY
Rm N255 - Anderson Stuart Building - F13
Eastern Avenue, NSW 2006 Australia

P: +61 2 9351 5159 
M: +61 411 288 030 
E: p...@sydney.edu.au 

Vice-President, ITPA
https://www.itpa.org.au 

Member, Pride Network
http://sydney.edu.au/pride-network 

On 17 Nov 2018, at 1:02 am, P. D. Castle > wrote:



Only things I carry that haven’t already been mentioned:
- IEC 14 to AC GPO adapter
- Small Label Maker
- roll of Velcro tie

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 6:13 pm, Kosh Naranek > wrote:


What tools do you carry around for work. - MBP, Mobile, Go-bag of
cables (usb-serial, USB-C, HDMI and a USB-c hub, network, USB
ethernet, USB-C ethernet, pocket of USB sticks from 2GB to 32GB),
pockethernet, screwdriver with common heads.
Whats the oldest ? Microsoft Foldable Bluetooth Keyboard (I tend
to throw old stuff out).
Whats the newest ? 2017 MBP
Whats the most useful ? Android phone (USB-C so most of the
adaptors work with it and the MBP) or the MBP itself.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 16:13, Shah Hardik
mailto:shah.har...@techflow.com.au>> wrote:

Does this count:

What tools do you carry around for work. - Laptop and Mobile
Whats the oldest - Some custom machine with Win 3.1x
Whats the newest - Surface Book2
Whats the most useful - Android Oreo

Have a wonderful weekend noggers


-Original Message-
From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Jarryd
Sullivan
Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018 4:52 PM
To: 'Alex Samad' mailto:a...@samad.com.au>>; Ausnog mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

For me -

Also a krone tool
Pockethernet Network analyser - https://www.pockethernet.com/


Laptop with
serial port (no dongles...yay)

Jarryd Sullivan


From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Alex Samad
Sent: Friday, 16 November 2018 3:17 PM
To: Ausnog mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>>
Subject: [AusNOG] Friday question

Hi


I asked this a long time ago.

What tools do you carry around for work.
Whats the oldest - krone tool ?
Whats the newest
Whats the most useful !

For me
Krone tool
vga grabber - for when you don't have a KVM serial to usb dongle


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Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Scott Wilson]

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 17:46, Karl Auer  wrote:

> > > > > What tools do you carry around for work.
> > > > > Whats the oldest - krone tool ?
> > > > > Whats the newest
> > > > > Whats the most useful !
>
> A bent-out medium size paper clip.
>
> It gets lost and replaced often, but it is the answer to all four
> questions.
>
> Here is a short story I wrote a few years ago. See if you can guess
> what used-to-be-essential item is telling its tale:
>
> "I don't remember being made; don't remember the quick staccato
> movements of the American robots that put me together, tiny puffs of
> acrid smoke rising as my dozens of solder spots were placed, my twenty-
> five wires brought skillfully but mindlessly to their final positions,
> my label slapped on just before I hit the conveyor belt to the blister-
> packing machine. I do remember being in the blister pack though,
> looking out, rather mystified, over the shelves and spotty customers of
> a Tandy store in Civic.
>
> "And I remember being bought; how huge hands split the blister pack and
> threw me into the darkness of a toolbox. I remember rattling around for
> eternity, making the painful acquaintance of the other residents of the
> toolbox.
>
> "The first time I was used is clear in my mind too; spliced into some
> hairball cable, I saw so obviously, so properly where the bits needed
> to go. I recall switching them like little carts on parallel
> rollercoasters. This goes there; and that goes here... It all made
> sense and I revelled in being part of the flow, part of the
> functioning.
>
> "But I've not been that for a long time now. For a long while I rode in
> the toolbox, but then I was placed on a shelf in a workshop. I used to
> be able to see the workshop, but now I see only the backsides and
> elbows of the things that cover me, other plastics and metals, casings,
> cables and chips.
>
> "I have no moving parts. I don't decay. Patch me into your cable again,
> and again I'll bring your data through. But I guess that won't be
> happening. Cables are different now; standardised, correct, the right
> cable for the right job. I was only ever a fixer, a translator, a
> corrector of errors, a twister of pairs.
>
> "The future is a very long time for an obsolete immortal."
>
> Regards, K.
>
> --
> ~~~
> Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au)
> http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer
> http://twitter.com/kauer389
>
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Re: [AusNOG] Friday question

[Karl Auer]

> > > > What tools do you carry around for work.
> > > > Whats the oldest - krone tool ?
> > > > Whats the newest
> > > > Whats the most useful !

A bent-out medium size paper clip.

It gets lost and replaced often, but it is the answer to all four
questions.

Here is a short story I wrote a few years ago. See if you can guess
what used-to-be-essential item is telling its tale:

"I don't remember being made; don't remember the quick staccato
movements of the American robots that put me together, tiny puffs of
acrid smoke rising as my dozens of solder spots were placed, my twenty-
five wires brought skillfully but mindlessly to their final positions,
my label slapped on just before I hit the conveyor belt to the blister-
packing machine. I do remember being in the blister pack though,
looking out, rather mystified, over the shelves and spotty customers of
a Tandy store in Civic.

"And I remember being bought; how huge hands split the blister pack and
threw me into the darkness of a toolbox. I remember rattling around for
eternity, making the painful acquaintance of the other residents of the
toolbox.

"The first time I was used is clear in my mind too; spliced into some
hairball cable, I saw so obviously, so properly where the bits needed
to go. I recall switching them like little carts on parallel
rollercoasters. This goes there; and that goes here... It all made
sense and I revelled in being part of the flow, part of the
functioning.

"But I've not been that for a long time now. For a long while I rode in
the toolbox, but then I was placed on a shelf in a workshop. I used to
be able to see the workshop, but now I see only the backsides and
elbows of the things that cover me, other plastics and metals, casings,
cables and chips. 

"I have no moving parts. I don't decay. Patch me into your cable again,
and again I'll bring your data through. But I guess that won't be
happening. Cables are different now; standardised, correct, the right
cable for the right job. I was only ever a fixer, a translator, a
corrector of errors, a twister of pairs.

"The future is a very long time for an obsolete immortal."

Regards, K.

-- 
~~~
Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer
http://twitter.com/kauer389

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