[AusNOG] OPTICOMM Handoff - Victoria

[Michael Diamond]

Hi AusNoggers,

We have a handful of OPTICOMM customers which are not economically feasible for 
us to signup with Opticomm directly.  Are there any service providers out there 
who are willing to handoff a few connections Layer 2 via  NEXTDC M1 or 
preferably Megaport VXC ?




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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Serge Malev]

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/650034/compromise-could-see-quick-passage-for-parts-of-encryption-bill/

...

report could hypothetically support conferring the powers outlined in the bill 
on agencies conducting counter-terrorism operations, such as ASIO, while other 
agencies, such as a number of anti-corruption bodies, would not receive new 
powers.

Dreyfus raised as an option “interim processing of part of the bill in order 
that the government’s stated purpose of urgency can be served while the 
committee continues to consider the remainder of the bill and tries to deal 
with the multitude of concerns that have been expressed”.

[https://d321cxw853vaeo.cloudfront.net/article/images/800x800/dimg/securityyellow_4.jpg]

Compromise could see quick passage for parts of encryption bill - 
Computerworld
The government has continued to increase pressure on the Parliamentary Joint 
Committee on Intelligence and Security (PJCIS) to hand down a quick verdict on 
the bill, which is intended to undermine the use of encryption by criminal 
groups.
www.computerworld.com.au



From: AusNOG  on behalf of Paul Wilkins 

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 12:49 PM
To: AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

As they say, a week is a long time in politics.

PJCIS is holding a Top Secret briefing with ASIO as to whether they need to 
expedite the Bill, but in context, it's not like rising use of encryption is 
news to anyone. The sudden urgency to pass the Bill at this late stage has 
every appearance of interference with PJCIS doing its job.

With Julia Banks' announcement she will move to the crossbenches, I will take 
plenty of 6 to 4 against Dutton (MP?) getting his way and passing the 
Assistance and Access Bill before Christmas.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 09:52, Michelle Sullivan 
mailto:miche...@sorbs.net>> wrote:
Paul Wilkins wrote:
> If Dutton is in fact ineligible to sit, then so too is his motion to
> introduce the Bill to Parliament. Or such is the stuff of dreams?

You are correct, if he is ineligible .. and *if he was at the time of
the introduction* then it should be challenged as not validly
introduced.. this will not be automatic though.

Michelle
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 09:39, Paul Wilkins 
> mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> Seems Dutton is about to get a lesson in constitutional law:
>
> S44 (iv)  holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any
> pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the
> revenues of the Commonwealth; or
>
> shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a
> member of the House of Representatives.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Paul Wilkins
> mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
>
>
> After the Department Home Affairs sitting on this Bill for
> over a year and conducting industry consultation they claim is
> confidential (ie: they have no one who'll go on record
> supporting the Bill) suddenly it's a priority, and the
> Minister for Home Affairs writes a wheedling letter to PJCIS
> to pass the Bill before Christmas.
>
> The lack of public and industry consultation, the vague and
> poor drafting, and then a sudden push to pass the Bill in a
> couple of weeks, rather suggest a deliberate strategy to pass
> a Bill that's out of all proportion to the need to combat
> terrorism and serious crime in the context of rising use of
> encryption.
>
> Rising use of encryption is hardly news to anyone. After all,
> a rising tide lifts all boats.
>
>
> 
> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a46f0ed4-fc0d-4e95-bbd3-ef8fafe419ab=663130
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 13:56, Paul Wilkins
> mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com> 
> >>
> wrote:
>
> /"In practice, if they balls-up the change request given
> to the device manufacturer or app/website developer,

Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

As they say, a week is a long time in politics.

PJCIS is holding a Top Secret briefing with ASIO as to whether they need to
expedite the Bill, but in context, it's not like rising use of encryption
is news to anyone. The sudden urgency to pass the Bill at this late stage
has every appearance of interference with PJCIS doing its job.

With Julia Banks' announcement she will move to the crossbenches, I will
take plenty of 6 to 4 against Dutton (MP?) getting his way and passing the
Assistance and Access Bill before Christmas.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 09:52, Michelle Sullivan  wrote:

> Paul Wilkins wrote:
> > If Dutton is in fact ineligible to sit, then so too is his motion to
> > introduce the Bill to Parliament. Or such is the stuff of dreams?
>
> You are correct, if he is ineligible .. and *if he was at the time of
> the introduction* then it should be challenged as not validly
> introduced.. this will not be automatic though.
>
> Michelle
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 09:39, Paul Wilkins  > > wrote:
> >
> > Seems Dutton is about to get a lesson in constitutional law:
> >
> > S44 (iv)  holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any
> > pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the
> > revenues of the Commonwealth; or
> >
> > shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a
> > member of the House of Representatives.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Paul Wilkins
> > mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > After the Department Home Affairs sitting on this Bill for
> > over a year and conducting industry consultation they claim is
> > confidential (ie: they have no one who'll go on record
> > supporting the Bill) suddenly it's a priority, and the
> > Minister for Home Affairs writes a wheedling letter to PJCIS
> > to pass the Bill before Christmas.
> >
> > The lack of public and industry consultation, the vague and
> > poor drafting, and then a sudden push to pass the Bill in a
> > couple of weeks, rather suggest a deliberate strategy to pass
> > a Bill that's out of all proportion to the need to combat
> > terrorism and serious crime in the context of rising use of
> > encryption.
> >
> > Rising use of encryption is hardly news to anyone. After all,
> > a rising tide lifts all boats.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a46f0ed4-fc0d-4e95-bbd3-ef8fafe419ab=663130
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 13:56, Paul Wilkins
> > mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > /"In practice, if they balls-up the change request given
> > to the device manufacturer or app/website developer,
> > anything could happen."/
> >
> > Then you recall the obligation under the
> > Telecommunications Act 1997 for carriers to "do their best
> > to  protect networks and facilities". No such obligation
> > attaches to the Crown under the powers of the  Assistance
> > and Access Bill 2018.
> >
> > So, even if in the cases of misfeasance, non feasance, or
> > malfeasance on the part of the Crown or its  agents in the
> > implementation of TCNs/TANs/TARs, and their impact on
> > carriers businesses, liability rests, not with the Crown
> > as you might ingenuously assume, but with the carrier who
> > unwittingly acted as directed.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 06:38, Scott Weeks
> > mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > ...the drafting certainly seems loose enough for a future
> > government to establishthe machinery of a police state.
> > ---
> >
> > I'm seeing this in *NOG lists and elsewhere all over the
> > world.  It's going to be an interesting next buncha
> years!
> >
> > scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AusNOG] SORBS DUHL blacklist

[Michelle Sullivan]

Peter Tiggerdine wrote:
I guess the point I'm making is that SORBS is about getting rid of 
spam to which their middleware is getting a lot of hits coming from 
gmail MX's. We can't make a rule that says, if you're big enough then 
it doesn't apply to you.


I agree commerce needs to continue but we fight all the time for a 
level playing field, this is no different. Yeah we allow the traffic 
surely our attitude should be more about pressureing gmail to create 
extra measures to combat it further.





and Google's answer was to pressure the C*s of the people who pay my 
wages to whitelist them unconditionally or issue press releases designed 
specifically to destroy *their* credibility. ('their' being the C*'s not 
Google)... that's what they think of the world in a nutshell.


*This* is why I stand my ground on them. (Note: I have implemented 
controls and checks to give the larger legitimate providers a more 
lenient policy in output spam, providing they engaged in actively 
terminating their spammers.  Microsoft signed up, Google refused... draw 
your own conclusions.)


Michelle

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Re: [AusNOG] SORBS DUHL blacklist

[Michelle Sullivan]

Michael J. Carmody wrote:


Because the pressure applied to me by paying clients expecting their 
emails, is greater than the pressure I exert upon google by rejecting 
their emails.


Maybe I am being too pragmatic for you.




Maybe you should try the other trick that I have seen done.  Those 
'paying clients that are pressuring you' turn off all blacklisting for 
them and them alone.  Make it clear to them, if they want emails from 
known spamming servers the result is an increase in Spam let them 
make the executive decisions.  Most mail servers now a days have the 
ability to trivially exempt clients from any spam filtering, let them 
have their spam and continue protecting the clients you want to protect.


Of course you could just keep trying to persuade people not to use X 
anti-spam service, but remember any and all mentions of SORBS helps me.  
You slinging mud at others will often result in people taking your 
'advice' as something to be ignored (even when you are right and 
justified... especially as they will know that you could easily chose 
not to use, in this case, SORBS yourself.)


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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Michelle Sullivan]

Paul Wilkins wrote:
If Dutton is in fact ineligible to sit, then so too is his motion to 
introduce the Bill to Parliament. Or such is the stuff of dreams?


You are correct, if he is ineligible .. and *if he was at the time of 
the introduction* then it should be challenged as not validly 
introduced.. this will not be automatic though.


Michelle


Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 09:39, Paul Wilkins > wrote:


Seems Dutton is about to get a lesson in constitutional law:

S44 (iv)  holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any
pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the
revenues of the Commonwealth; or

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a
member of the House of Representatives.

Kind regards


Paul Wilkins

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Paul Wilkins
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:


After the Department Home Affairs sitting on this Bill for
over a year and conducting industry consultation they claim is
confidential (ie: they have no one who'll go on record
supporting the Bill) suddenly it's a priority, and the
Minister for Home Affairs writes a wheedling letter to PJCIS
to pass the Bill before Christmas.

The lack of public and industry consultation, the vague and
poor drafting, and then a sudden push to pass the Bill in a
couple of weeks, rather suggest a deliberate strategy to pass
a Bill that's out of all proportion to the need to combat
terrorism and serious crime in the context of rising use of
encryption.

Rising use of encryption is hardly news to anyone. After all,
a rising tide lifts all boats.



https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a46f0ed4-fc0d-4e95-bbd3-ef8fafe419ab=663130


Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 13:56, Paul Wilkins
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

/"In practice, if they balls-up the change request given
to the device manufacturer or app/website developer,
anything could happen."/

Then you recall the obligation under the
Telecommunications Act 1997 for carriers to "do their best
to  protect networks and facilities". No such obligation
attaches to the Crown under the powers of the  Assistance
and Access Bill 2018.

So, even if in the cases of misfeasance, non feasance, or
malfeasance on the part of the Crown or its  agents in the
implementation of TCNs/TANs/TARs, and their impact on
carriers businesses, liability rests, not with the Crown
as you might ingenuously assume, but with the carrier who
unwittingly acted as directed.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 06:38, Scott Weeks
mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com>>
wrote:



---
...the drafting certainly seems loose enough for a future
government to establishthe machinery of a police state.
---

I'm seeing this in *NOG lists and elsewhere all over the
world.  It's going to be an interesting next buncha years!

scott





























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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

If Dutton is in fact ineligible to sit, then so too is his motion to
introduce the Bill to Parliament. Or such is the stuff of dreams?

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 09:39, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> Seems Dutton is about to get a lesson in constitutional law:
>
> S44 (iv)  holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension
> payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the
> Commonwealth; or
>
> shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member
> of the House of Representatives.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> After the Department Home Affairs sitting on this Bill for over a year
>> and conducting industry consultation they claim is confidential (ie: they
>> have no one who'll go on record supporting the Bill) suddenly it's a
>> priority, and the Minister for Home Affairs writes a wheedling letter to
>> PJCIS to pass the Bill before Christmas.
>>
>> The lack of public and industry consultation, the vague and poor
>> drafting, and then a sudden push to pass the Bill in a couple of weeks,
>> rather suggest a deliberate strategy to pass a Bill that's out of all
>> proportion to the need to combat terrorism and serious crime in the context
>> of rising use of encryption.
>>
>> Rising use of encryption is hardly news to anyone. After all, a rising
>> tide lifts all boats.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a46f0ed4-fc0d-4e95-bbd3-ef8fafe419ab=663130
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 13:56, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *"In practice, if they balls-up the change request given to the device
>>> manufacturer or app/website developer, anything could happen."*
>>>
>>> Then you recall the obligation under the Telecommunications Act 1997 for
>>> carriers to "do their best to  protect networks and facilities". No such
>>> obligation attaches to the Crown under the powers of the  Assistance and
>>> Access Bill 2018.
>>>
>>> So, even if in the cases of misfeasance, non feasance, or malfeasance on
>>> the part of the Crown or its  agents in the implementation of
>>> TCNs/TANs/TARs, and their impact on carriers businesses, liability rests,
>>> not with the Crown as you might ingenuously assume, but with the carrier
>>> who unwittingly acted as directed.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 06:38, Scott Weeks 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 ---
 ...the drafting certainly seems loose enough for a future
 government to establishthe machinery of a police state.
 ---

 I'm seeing this in *NOG lists and elsewhere all over the
 world.  It's going to be an interesting next buncha years!

 scott





























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Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

Seems Dutton is about to get a lesson in constitutional law:

S44 (iv)  holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension
payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the
Commonwealth; or

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member
of the House of Representatives.

Kind regards


Paul Wilkins

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

>
> After the Department Home Affairs sitting on this Bill for over a year and
> conducting industry consultation they claim is confidential (ie: they have
> no one who'll go on record supporting the Bill) suddenly it's a priority,
> and the Minister for Home Affairs writes a wheedling letter to PJCIS to
> pass the Bill before Christmas.
>
> The lack of public and industry consultation, the vague and poor drafting,
> and then a sudden push to pass the Bill in a couple of weeks, rather
> suggest a deliberate strategy to pass a Bill that's out of all proportion
> to the need to combat terrorism and serious crime in the context of rising
> use of encryption.
>
> Rising use of encryption is hardly news to anyone. After all, a rising
> tide lifts all boats.
>
>
>
> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a46f0ed4-fc0d-4e95-bbd3-ef8fafe419ab=663130
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 13:56, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
>
>> *"In practice, if they balls-up the change request given to the device
>> manufacturer or app/website developer, anything could happen."*
>>
>> Then you recall the obligation under the Telecommunications Act 1997 for
>> carriers to "do their best to  protect networks and facilities". No such
>> obligation attaches to the Crown under the powers of the  Assistance and
>> Access Bill 2018.
>>
>> So, even if in the cases of misfeasance, non feasance, or malfeasance on
>> the part of the Crown or its  agents in the implementation of
>> TCNs/TANs/TARs, and their impact on carriers businesses, liability rests,
>> not with the Crown as you might ingenuously assume, but with the carrier
>> who unwittingly acted as directed.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 06:38, Scott Weeks  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> ...the drafting certainly seems loose enough for a future
>>> government to establishthe machinery of a police state.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> I'm seeing this in *NOG lists and elsewhere all over the
>>> world.  It's going to be an interesting next buncha years!
>>>
>>> scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[AusNOG] SX Backhaul in NZ to Queen DC

[Bevan Slattery]

Guys,

Just looking for some kiwi clue on best providers and current market prices for 
either dark or 100G in NZ between both SX landing stations and 220 Queen.  
Replies off list please.

Cheers

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Re: [AusNOG] Cisco IOS Firmware

[Radek Tkaczyk]

Hi Chris,

I have sent you an email offlist….

Radek

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Christopher 
Hawker
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2018 6:25 PM
To: AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Cisco IOS Firmware


Hi All,



I'm looking for someone who would be able to download some Cisco firmware from 
their website? Having troubles getting into my account, and need to update this 
router fairly urgently...



https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/routers/881-integrated-services-router-isr/model.html



If someone would be able to download 15.5.3M8 and send it through to me, it'd 
be a big help and may very well earn you a case of beer 



Thanks,

CH.

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[AusNOG] Cisco IOS Firmware

[Christopher Hawker]

Hi All,


I'm looking for someone who would be able to download some Cisco firmware from 
their website? Having troubles getting into my account, and need to update this 
router fairly urgently...


https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/routers/881-integrated-services-router-isr/model.html


If someone would be able to download 15.5.3M8 and send it through to me, it'd 
be a big help and may very well earn you a case of beer 


Thanks,

CH.


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