Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

[Paul Wilkins]

Frankly it's a travesty that there should be geographic price specificity.
The whole justification for a government monopoly on internet wholesale was
to avoid the sort of penalisation of remote areas that happens in a free
market.

I don't see the NBN's focus on delivery in the last mile has achieved
anything the private sector wouldn't have, other than slower speeds, higher
data prices, slower delivery, apart from monopoly returns for government.

Now if we were wearing these costs with the invisible benefit of
subsidising the building out of national data carriage, that might be
acceptable. Unfortunately the national data carriage that NBN was supposed
to deliver remains invisible.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 09:59, Philip Loenneker <
philip.loenne...@tasmanet.com.au> wrote:

> Apparently the co-contribution installation cost will not exceed $5000,
> but keep in mind that it's only available in areas already serviced by
> FttP, FttN/B, FttC and HFC. So unfortunately it isn't currently an option
> for those wanting to get away from the pains of Fixed Wireless.
>
> NBN give discounts to the RSP for 3 year terms, which RSPs should pass on
> to the end customer. But the zone of the premises also has a significant
> impact on the per month price. We have to run a quote through the NBN EE
> portal to confirm pricing every time due to the variables that impact the
> final cost.
>
> I can't give pricing information on here, but if anyone wants an
> indication of price for a specific address, send me the address, speed and
> contract term privately and I'll get something to you. My apologies if this
> is a grey area in terms of list charter, but I suspect this will be a case
> of people asking out of curiosity rather than with an intention to purchase
> a product, and I don't think anyone is likely to publish much information
> publicly due to the complexity.
>
> Regards,
> Philip Loenneker | Network Engineer | TasmaNet
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Beeson, Ayden 
> Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 8:05 AM
> To: Philip Loenneker ; James
> Andrewartha 
> Cc: Jake Anderson ; Skeeve Stevens <
> ausnog@futurecrime.agency>;  <
> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC
>
> That was my first thought too and I couldn't find a concrete figure per
> month for it, but I did find a document saying you were eligible for a free
> build on a 3 year contract (may be inaccurate/specific to that provider I
> found offering that, YMMV) so you'd basically just be paying the up-front
> build fee over time, but for those with bad connections that are desperate
> to get onto Fibre, that may be preferable.
>
> Good to know there is another option there, even if it's unlikely most
> people can/will utilise it.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
>
>
> On 2/5/19, 7:32 am, "Philip Loenneker" 
> wrote:
>
> Enterprise Ethernet is certainly a better product, but the costs
> aren't necessarily suitable for a residential customer, regardless of the
> possibility of a free build (which is not always the case).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Andrewartha 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 4:27 PM
> To: Beeson, Ayden 
> Cc: Philip Loenneker ; Jake
> Anderson ; Skeeve Stevens <
> ausnog@futurecrime.agency>;  <
> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC
>
> On Wed, 1 May 2019, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
>
> > That is spot on, but I haven’t seen a single quote come back that
> was in the price range you would actually consider going ahead with.
> >
> > Admittedly that was for FTTN -> FTTP upgrades, but still I always
> got the feeling those “choices” were priced to make it unaffordable to
> regular consumers on purpose, meaning that quote price is effectively sunk
> money.
> >
> > I’ll be very interested to see what the FTTC -> FTTP quotes come
> back at, it’s a lot less fibre length to run but still requires a lot of
> the same types of work in the end so I’m not expecting much.
>
> $5100 https://whrl.pl/Rfme7I which is ridiculous although these posts
> from
> 2016 https://whrl.pl/ReLT5w and https://whrl.pl/ReLVZj claim why it's
> expected.
>
> Really if you want fibre you may as well take advantage of the free
> builds on nbn enterprise ethernet at the moment than do a tech change.
>
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Re: [AusNOG] Anybody else effected by this Telstra Data Advantage Outage at GSU

[Shah Hardik]

Our uplink seems to be working fine.

⁣Sent from Mobile.​

On May 1, 2019, 10:34 PM, at 10:34 PM, Matt Perkins  
wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>  Is anyone else effected by this mornings outage on Telstra DA at
>Global Switch Ultimo.
>
>
>Matt.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AusNOG] Anybody else effected by this Telstra Data Advantage Outage at GSU

[Nathan Brookfield]

I’d say it’s now spread to EA, looks like the entire Chassis at Chatswood is 
dead and is going to need to be replaced.  We’ve had our EA aggregated head-end 
at GSW hard down since around 0820 this morning, flapping before that, they say 
it’s also affecting consumer services in affected New Lambton, Kyogle, 
Wallsend, Narara, Terrey Hills, Bringelly, Medowie and Cessnock as well as the 
Ultimo stuff….

Kindest Regards,
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From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Shah Hardik
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:39 PM
To: Matt Perkins 
Cc: ausnog mailing list 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Anybody else effected by this Telstra Data Advantage 
Outage at GSU

Our uplink seems to be working fine.
Sent from Mobile.
On May 1, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Matt Perkins 
mailto:m...@spectrum.com.au>> wrote:

Hi All,

  Is anyone else effected by this mornings outage on Telstra DA at
Global Switch Ultimo.


Matt.


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[AusNOG] Anybody else effected by this Telstra Data Advantage Outage at GSU

[Matt Perkins]

Hi All,

 Is anyone else effected by this mornings outage on Telstra DA at 
Global Switch Ultimo.



Matt.




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Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

[Philip Loenneker]

Apparently the co-contribution installation cost will not exceed $5000, but 
keep in mind that it's only available in areas already serviced by FttP, 
FttN/B, FttC and HFC. So unfortunately it isn't currently an option for those 
wanting to get away from the pains of Fixed Wireless.

NBN give discounts to the RSP for 3 year terms, which RSPs should pass on to 
the end customer. But the zone of the premises also has a significant impact on 
the per month price. We have to run a quote through the NBN EE portal to 
confirm pricing every time due to the variables that impact the final cost. 

I can't give pricing information on here, but if anyone wants an indication of 
price for a specific address, send me the address, speed and contract term 
privately and I'll get something to you. My apologies if this is a grey area in 
terms of list charter, but I suspect this will be a case of people asking out 
of curiosity rather than with an intention to purchase a product, and I don't 
think anyone is likely to publish much information publicly due to the 
complexity.

Regards,
Philip Loenneker | Network Engineer | TasmaNet

-Original Message-
From: Beeson, Ayden  
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 8:05 AM
To: Philip Loenneker ; James Andrewartha 

Cc: Jake Anderson ; Skeeve Stevens 
;  
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

That was my first thought too and I couldn't find a concrete figure per month 
for it, but I did find a document saying you were eligible for a free build on 
a 3 year contract (may be inaccurate/specific to that provider I found offering 
that, YMMV) so you'd basically just be paying the up-front build fee over time, 
but for those with bad connections that are desperate to get onto Fibre, that 
may be preferable.

Good to know there is another option there, even if it's unlikely most people 
can/will utilise it.

Cheers,
Ayden
 

On 2/5/19, 7:32 am, "Philip Loenneker"  
wrote:

Enterprise Ethernet is certainly a better product, but the costs aren't 
necessarily suitable for a residential customer, regardless of the possibility 
of a free build (which is not always the case).

-Original Message-
From: James Andrewartha  
Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 4:27 PM
To: Beeson, Ayden 
Cc: Philip Loenneker ; Jake Anderson 
; Skeeve Stevens ; 
 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

On Wed, 1 May 2019, Beeson, Ayden wrote:

> That is spot on, but I haven’t seen a single quote come back that was in 
the price range you would actually consider going ahead with.
> 
> Admittedly that was for FTTN -> FTTP upgrades, but still I always got the 
feeling those “choices” were priced to make it unaffordable to regular 
consumers on purpose, meaning that quote price is effectively sunk money.
> 
> I’ll be very interested to see what the FTTC -> FTTP quotes come back at, 
it’s a lot less fibre length to run but still requires a lot of the same types 
of work in the end so I’m not expecting much.

$5100 https://whrl.pl/Rfme7I which is ridiculous although these posts from
2016 https://whrl.pl/ReLT5w and https://whrl.pl/ReLVZj claim why it's 
expected.

Really if you want fibre you may as well take advantage of the free builds 
on nbn enterprise ethernet at the moment than do a tech change.

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Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

[Beeson, Ayden]

That was my first thought too and I couldn't find a concrete figure per month 
for it, but I did find a document saying you were eligible for a free build on 
a 3 year contract (may be inaccurate/specific to that provider I found offering 
that, YMMV) so you'd basically just be paying the up-front build fee over time, 
but for those with bad connections that are desperate to get onto Fibre, that 
may be preferable.

Good to know there is another option there, even if it's unlikely most people 
can/will utilise it.

Cheers,
Ayden
 

On 2/5/19, 7:32 am, "Philip Loenneker"  
wrote:

Enterprise Ethernet is certainly a better product, but the costs aren't 
necessarily suitable for a residential customer, regardless of the possibility 
of a free build (which is not always the case).

-Original Message-
From: James Andrewartha  
Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 4:27 PM
To: Beeson, Ayden 
Cc: Philip Loenneker ; Jake Anderson 
; Skeeve Stevens ; 
 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

On Wed, 1 May 2019, Beeson, Ayden wrote:

> That is spot on, but I haven’t seen a single quote come back that was in 
the price range you would actually consider going ahead with.
> 
> Admittedly that was for FTTN -> FTTP upgrades, but still I always got the 
feeling those “choices” were priced to make it unaffordable to regular 
consumers on purpose, meaning that quote price is effectively sunk money.
> 
> I’ll be very interested to see what the FTTC -> FTTP quotes come back at, 
it’s a lot less fibre length to run but still requires a lot of the same types 
of work in the end so I’m not expecting much.

$5100 https://whrl.pl/Rfme7I which is ridiculous although these posts from
2016 https://whrl.pl/ReLT5w and https://whrl.pl/ReLVZj claim why it's 
expected.

Really if you want fibre you may as well take advantage of the free builds 
on nbn enterprise ethernet at the moment than do a tech change.

-- 
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Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

[Philip Loenneker]

Enterprise Ethernet is certainly a better product, but the costs aren't 
necessarily suitable for a residential customer, regardless of the possibility 
of a free build (which is not always the case).

-Original Message-
From: James Andrewartha  
Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 4:27 PM
To: Beeson, Ayden 
Cc: Philip Loenneker ; Jake Anderson 
; Skeeve Stevens ; 
 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

On Wed, 1 May 2019, Beeson, Ayden wrote:

> That is spot on, but I haven’t seen a single quote come back that was in the 
> price range you would actually consider going ahead with.
> 
> Admittedly that was for FTTN -> FTTP upgrades, but still I always got the 
> feeling those “choices” were priced to make it unaffordable to regular 
> consumers on purpose, meaning that quote price is effectively sunk money.
> 
> I’ll be very interested to see what the FTTC -> FTTP quotes come back at, 
> it’s a lot less fibre length to run but still requires a lot of the same 
> types of work in the end so I’m not expecting much.

$5100 https://whrl.pl/Rfme7I which is ridiculous although these posts from
2016 https://whrl.pl/ReLT5w and https://whrl.pl/ReLVZj claim why it's expected.

Really if you want fibre you may as well take advantage of the free builds on 
nbn enterprise ethernet at the moment than do a tech change.

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Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

[Michael J. Carmody]

I had a longish build and pit remediate, and got a quote for ~$10,000 (FTTN -> 
FTTP)

As my FTTN was truly dire in stability* I bit the bullet and did it.

Still mostly don’t regret it.

For FTTC I believe it wouldn't have taken much of my build price as they do not 
splice into the FTTC feed fibre but run a parallel run for TMP builds. The only 
thing I'm salty about is that if my neighbours TMP they get a MUCH reduced 
build price...

-Michael

* Got perfect 100/40 sync speeds, just 2-3 drop outs a night with the 
inexorable 5 minute resync times, dropping to 50/20 didn't fix, was running a 
Cisco 887VAM with amazing details of monitoring, and 3 truck rolls and ABB's 
vigorous efforts couldn't get it stable. Was not surprised by ADSL was also 
truly dire (3.5/0.5, dozens of drop outs a day). I just concluded copper was 
probably horrifically compromised and gave up flogging that horse.



-Original Message-
From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of James Andrewartha
Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2019 4:27 PM
To: Beeson, Ayden 
Cc:  
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] FTTC

On Wed, 1 May 2019, Beeson, Ayden wrote:

> That is spot on, but I haven’t seen a single quote come back that was in the 
> price range you would actually consider going ahead with.
> 
> Admittedly that was for FTTN -> FTTP upgrades, but still I always got the 
> feeling those “choices” were priced to make it unaffordable to regular 
> consumers on purpose, meaning that quote price is effectively sunk money.
> 
> I’ll be very interested to see what the FTTC -> FTTP quotes come back at, 
> it’s a lot less fibre length to run but still requires a lot of the same 
> types of work in the end so I’m not expecting much.

$5100 https://whrl.pl/Rfme7I which is ridiculous although these posts from
2016 https://whrl.pl/ReLT5w and https://whrl.pl/ReLVZj claim why it's expected.

Really if you want fibre you may as well take advantage of the free builds on 
nbn enterprise ethernet at the moment than do a tech change.

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