Re: [AusNOG] Ongoing Telstra mobile internet outage in Darwin NT

[Darren Moss]

Thanks Russell.




D.



From: Russell Langton 
Sent: Monday, 20 December 2021 11:16 AM
To: Darren Moss 
Cc: AusNOG Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Ongoing Telstra mobile internet outage in Darwin NT

Hi Darren,

This is not an ideal experience
I checked the outage board for NT and there is nothing for the CBD there.

I'll reach out to you for more details so we can resolve this.



On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:29 PM Darren Moss 
mailto:darren.m...@cloud365.com.au>> wrote:
Good Afternoon,

There has been an ongoing outage for Telstra mobile internet services in Darwin 
CBD for more than 10 days now.

We have staff in the territory deploying infrastructure who have no mobile 
internet access. We’ve recently ported them from Vodafone to Telstra.

I’ve gone through the usual channels and today was told “not to worry the 
backend team is looking into this”.

That’s great but can anyone shed some light on what the problem is and when 
service will be restored ?

Thank you.


Darren.
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Re: [AusNOG] Ongoing Telstra mobile internet outage in Darwin NT

[Russell Langton]

Hi Darren,

This is not an ideal experience
I checked the outage board for NT and there is nothing for the CBD there.

I'll reach out to you for more details so we can resolve this.



On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:29 PM Darren Moss 
wrote:

> Good Afternoon,
>
>
>
> There has been an ongoing outage for Telstra mobile internet services in
> Darwin CBD for more than 10 days now.
>
>
>
> We have staff in the territory deploying infrastructure who have no mobile
> internet access. We’ve recently ported them from Vodafone to Telstra.
>
>
>
> I’ve gone through the usual channels and today was told “not to worry the
> backend team is looking into this”.
>
>
>
> That’s great but can anyone shed some light on what the problem is and
> when service will be restored ?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Darren.
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Re: [AusNOG] Outlook Mobile (OT)

[Philip Loenneker]

I know that the Gmail app on Android works fine for MFA, but that's just 
trading which big organisation you're sharing your details with, I guess...


From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of David Rawling
Sent: Saturday, 18 December 2021 12:16 AM
To:  
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Outlook Mobile (OT)

Hi DaZZa

I didn't wish to mention it earlier and unprompted in case it felt like spam to 
people (yes, I'm from the old pre-eternal-September Internet), but Scott was on 
the money - Nine is the client I use personally (com.ninefolders.hd3 if you 
need the package name to find it).

Dave.

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On Fri, 2021-12-17 at 20:39 +1100, DaZZa wrote:
Hi Dave

Be good fella and elucidate us as to the name of this non-Microsoft android 
client that supports MFA, please?

The only reason I started using the streaming pile of putrid dog crap that is 
Outlook is because corporate decided to enforce MFA - and the Samsung/Android 
client didn't support that

I'd love to know a client that I can use that supports MFA and isn't Outlook.

Thanks

DaZZa

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 7:42 pm David Rawling, 
mailto:d...@pdconsec.net>> wrote:
Hi Graham

I am highly cynical about this, I realise, but I find it saves time. With that 
in mind ...

This was discussed fairly extensively a few years ago when Outlook Mobile 
became the "Microsoft-offered/preferred" mobile client. I suspect that for most 
organisations who knew about it and actively considered it, the risk analysis 
included "Well, we already bent over ... er ... I mean, 'offloaded 
authentication to Azure' for Office 365, my corporate credentials and email are 
already stored by a company beholden to the PATRIOT Act etc, so what's one more 
case of credentials stored blindly in the cloud - MS swear it's the only/best 
way to do it and they must know what they're talking about".

I decided back then I would let my employer decide that was OK for their stuff, 
but for my own use I have a different Android client (which supports all the 
Office 365 functionality anyway including MFA, so Microsoft's justifications 
are hollow). Most of these "decisions" on clients seem to be made by people on 
the basis of "ooh shiny", at least within SMEs. I'm sure the ADF wouldn't be 
using Mobile Outlook on this basis, right?

Anyway, for organisations, there's also some value in being able to use Azure 
functionality to lock down mail to their own choice of client and managed 
device, so when it's lost or the employee leaves, company IP can be wiped (and 
they "know" it works). Those who know about the credential caching/storage have 
their concerns dismissed, and their successors have a harder time arguing for 
an alternative, too, since Outlook is already in place. And since MS hasn't 
enabled on-premises platforms for modern needs like MFA and modern 
authentication, and is actively trying to make rentals the only available 
option, I doubt the situation will improve.

Dave.

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On Fri, 2021-12-17 at 15:42 +1000, Graham Maltby wrote:
Thanks everyone for the confirmation.

The process does not appear to have changed at all from what has been
described; still storing credentials and all the mail they can slurp. I
have never liked or used Outlook in any of it's various incarnations so
I've had little exposure to this.

I am somewhat surprised that this is not more well reported in
mainstream media. If any other app so blatantly stole your data and
shipped it off overseas, it would be all over the press as this should
be. But Microsoft, like a number of others, are big enough to get away
with this.

Cheers,
Graham



On 17/12/21 14:01, Philip Loenneker wrote:
Hi Graham,

I don't know if this is still the case, but the original "Outlook" app for 
mobiles saved your credentials on a server and downloaded to there, then synced 
it down to your device. I think they did that so they could do things like push 
notifications when you get an email, which doesn't wor

Re: [AusNOG] Outlook Mobile (OT)

[Jrandombob]

> I decided back then I would let my employer decide that was OK for their 
> stuff, but for my own use I have a different Android client (which supports 
> all the Office 365 functionality anyway including MFA, so Microsoft's 
> justifications are hollow). Most of these "decisions" on clients seem to be 
> made by people on the basis of "ooh shiny", at least within SMEs. I'm sure 
> the ADF wouldn't be using Mobile Outlook on this basis, right?

FWIW, last I dealt with them the ADF was using Lotus
Notes/Domino/whatever the hell they call it today for email, ditto the
ATO.
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