Re: [AusNOG] Spreading the load of ISP customers at Layer2

[Damian Ivereigh]

I would love to use fq_codel, but right now we just use Mikrotik's red. 
The biggest hassle is that NBN shape down at 10ms which is pretty hard 
on the shaping software!


Does make me wonder if we should ditch the Mikrotiks and use an open 
source solution.


Damian

On 9/13/21 10:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote:

Wow. You live in such a different world than I. I would really like to
better understand problems such as these, but where
you are worried about arp at this low level, I worry about good queue
and subscriber bandwidth management like that in this:

https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS

(leveraging sch_cake in some releases)

so, and I know it's kind of off topic from the problem you have... how
the heck do you do bandwidth and queue management
in either scenario below?

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 2:24 AM Damian Ivereigh  wrote:

Hi guys,

We have built all our ISP infrastructure based on the NBN style doubled
tagging of services - in other words each subscriber circuit comes
through on it's own ctag. This makes separating everything really easy
because we pipe each vlan through to different BNG's. However we are now
presented with a wholesaler who does not separate each circuit, but
instead just bridges them all together into a single circuit. We can
distinguish each circuit only by inspecting the DHCP Option82 so that we
can allocate the right IP address, which is fine, but it is hard to
allocate them to use a particular BNG to send and receive traffic.

By the way I am not talking dynamic load balancing just having multiple
BNG with a subsection of the customers on each one - load sharing?

Until now with double tagging, we can reuse the same gateway IP address
(i.e. the side facing the customer) on all the BNG and because each BNG
only sees it's circuits, it will only respond to arps that it should do
on the vlans assigned to it. However with all the customers on the same
circuit it is impossible for multiple BNG to have the same IP address
without creating all sorts of duplicate arps etc. We could turn off arp
on all but one of the BNG and then put up with the asymmetric routing
(makes reverse path filtering impossible) - i.e. send all upload traffic
through a single BNG, but download comes from different ones (according
to what BNG they are allocated to).

I have come up with another hack by using essentially using arp spoofing
where we get a separate box to respond to the arp requests based on what
the source IP is, but I can't help wondering how others have handled
this. The wholesaler tells me there are other ISPs with 5000+ services
on the single circuit (feels like a recipe for a broadcast storm to me).

Oh and no we don't want to use PPPoE :-)

Ideas anyone?

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[AusNOG] Spreading the load of ISP customers at Layer2

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi guys,

We have built all our ISP infrastructure based on the NBN style doubled 
tagging of services - in other words each subscriber circuit comes 
through on it's own ctag. This makes separating everything really easy 
because we pipe each vlan through to different BNG's. However we are now 
presented with a wholesaler who does not separate each circuit, but 
instead just bridges them all together into a single circuit. We can 
distinguish each circuit only by inspecting the DHCP Option82 so that we 
can allocate the right IP address, which is fine, but it is hard to 
allocate them to use a particular BNG to send and receive traffic.


By the way I am not talking dynamic load balancing just having multiple 
BNG with a subsection of the customers on each one - load sharing?


Until now with double tagging, we can reuse the same gateway IP address 
(i.e. the side facing the customer) on all the BNG and because each BNG 
only sees it's circuits, it will only respond to arps that it should do 
on the vlans assigned to it. However with all the customers on the same 
circuit it is impossible for multiple BNG to have the same IP address 
without creating all sorts of duplicate arps etc. We could turn off arp 
on all but one of the BNG and then put up with the asymmetric routing 
(makes reverse path filtering impossible) - i.e. send all upload traffic 
through a single BNG, but download comes from different ones (according 
to what BNG they are allocated to).


I have come up with another hack by using essentially using arp spoofing 
where we get a separate box to respond to the arp requests based on what 
the source IP is, but I can't help wondering how others have handled 
this. The wholesaler tells me there are other ISPs with 5000+ services 
on the single circuit (feels like a recipe for a broadcast storm to me).


Oh and no we don't want to use PPPoE :-)

Ideas anyone?

Damian

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Re: [AusNOG] Netflix Contact

[Damian Ivereigh]

I believe this is more likely to be behind the issue:-

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/netflix-is-adding-residential-ip-addresses-to-its-vpn-blocklists/

Damian

On 8/29/21 6:40 PM, Chad Kelly wrote:


Hi Just on this Netflix issue.

Given the bulk of their CDN traffic is served by Akamai you really 
should be complaining to them as they would be the ones responsible 
for the GEO blocking.


They probably just have an old database that they need to get updated.

They would be responsible for most of the speed issues as well.

Surprised no one else has mentioned this.
Regards Chad.

Chad Kelly

Manager

CPK Web Services

Phone 03 52730246

Web https://www.cpkws.com.au


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Re: [AusNOG] Netflix Contact

[Damian Ivereigh]

Yeah mate, we're seeing the same thing. Very frustrating. Also have a
ticket open with them.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, 18:52 Matthew Enger,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> Anyone got a Netflix contact who can help with vpn/cgnat/geo blocking?
>
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>
> I have been emailing the peering db entry of geosupp...@netflix.com who
> initially responded but then went dead.
>
>
>
> I have been following up regularly no reply. Created a new ticket, no
> reply to that either.
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>
>
> This has been going on for a number of weeks and I know of a number of
> other providers also having similar issues so if anyone has a contact who
> can help I am sure the industry would appreciate it 😊
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> Thanks.
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[AusNOG] Vocus outage Mel?

[Damian Ivereigh]

We saw our link to Vocus Aggregation (NBN L2 tails) go down in VIC at 
around 8:45 - no light at our end. Vocus not yet reporting an outage.


Anyone else seeing this?

Damian

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Re: [AusNOG] Remove IP range blocks on Disney+

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

Just a quick follow up on this. I have been given some email addresses 
that I will try.


However we have discovered this is unlikely to be an IP blocking issue, 
but rather a failure when running IPv6. We are able to reproduce a 
rather unhelpful 83 error ("equipment not compatible"), when the android 
TV connects through IPv6. Disable the IPv6 and it all works. Of course 
disabling IPv6 sucks given that ISPs are trying to get more people to 
use it. Anyone else seen this problem? So much for "Happy Eyeballs" Disney!


Damian


On 6/29/21 4:11 PM, Damian Ivereigh wrote:

Hey guys,

Has anyone got any contacts for whoever manages the CDN for Disney 
Plus? We seem to be having the age old issues with them blocking some 
of our IP ranges because they think they are hosted outside Australia.


We have tried going through the normal front door, but they refuse to 
help because we are not customers.


Thanks

Damian


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[AusNOG] Remove IP range blocks on Disney+

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hey guys,

Has anyone got any contacts for whoever manages the CDN for Disney Plus? 
We seem to be having the age old issues with them blocking some of our 
IP ranges because they think they are hosted outside Australia.


We have tried going through the normal front door, but they refuse to 
help because we are not customers.


Thanks

Damian

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Re: [AusNOG] Remove IP range blocks on Disney+

[Damian Ivereigh]

Apologies,

I was getting a DEMARC error from google and not seeing my email sent 
back to me so was under the impression it hadn't been received by the 
mail list. Now I know that it was!


Damian

On 6/29/21 4:56 PM, Christopher Scholfield wrote:

Dude, third time sending this.  Stop it.

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Subject: [AusNOG] Remove IP range blocks on Disney+

Hey guys,

Has anyone got any contacts for whoever manages the CDN for Disney Plus?
We seem to be having the age old issues with them blocking some of our IP 
ranges because they think they are sourced from outside Australia.

We have tried going through the normal front door, but they refuse to help 
because we are not customers.

Thanks

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[AusNOG] Remove IP range blocks on Disney+

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hey guys,

Has anyone got any contacts for whoever manages the CDN for Disney Plus? 
We seem to be having the age old issues with them blocking some of our 
IP ranges because they think they are sourced from outside Australia.


We have tried going through the normal front door, but they refuse to 
help because we are not customers.


Thanks

Damian
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[AusNOG] Remove IP range blocks on Disney+

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hey guys,

Has anyone got any contacts for whoever manages the CDN for Disney Plus? 
We seem to be having the age old issues with them blocking some of our 
IP ranges because they think they are hosted outside Australia.


We have tried going through the normal front door, but they refuse to 
help because we are not customers.


Thanks

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Re: [AusNOG] VDSL2 SFP Modem

[Damian Ivereigh]

We are using the Netgear DM200. I am not sure about tiny jumbo frames 
(is that a thing?). They seem to perform well and the main advantage for 
us is there is an undocumented config page http://192.168.5.1/debug.htm 
where you can force the device permanently into bridge mode - will even 
survive a factory reset.


We have had similar poor results as others with the SFP VDSL device and 
have discarded the idea.


Damian

On 26/8/19 6:24 am, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:
As an addon to the above, they only support bridging of 2-3 MAC 
addresses. Which is probably not an issue with a single device, but 
it's insanely annoying if you run multiple devices doing PPPOE behind 
a bridged modem.


So I'm curious.. What ARE folks using as a bridged VDSL modem that 
supports tiny jumbo frames? (Which was the main reason I went for the 
VDSL SFP in the first place..)


On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 16:41, Guy Ellis > wrote:


Hi Shane,

We have tested these in our lab - the VDSL performance is acceptable.

However there are a couple of downsides...

(i) No DSL configuration
(ii) No Stats, not even line sync
(iii) Price
(iv) They use a fair bit of power, and the host mainboard must have a
clean well filtered 3.3V supply delivered to the SFP slot.

We were unable to get ADSL working, not sure if that was firmware
or (i)
above.

Due to (i) .. (iv) we have moved to a different Internal VDSL
solution.

Kind regards,

- Guy.


On 16/08/2019 4:18 pm, Shane Chrisp wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I just became aware of these VDSL2 SFP modems and I was
wondering if
> anyone has tried these or a similar device from another supplier
in AU
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Re: [AusNOG] Relocating an NBN connection within the same building

[Damian Ivereigh]

Is an FTTP NTD that needs moving? You can just look for an NBN certified 
fibre installer and they will do it for you.


I am not sure about an Enterprise Ethernet connection, but I don't see 
how it would be any different.


Damian


On 30/07/19 18:10, Darren Moss wrote:


Hi All,

We have a business NBN connection which needs to be moved from a 
cabinet in our office to a common cabinet where all carriers come into 
the building, then patched across.


They are about 10 metres apart on the same floor.

I am struggling to get our ISP or NBN to understand what needs to be 
done, we’re just going round and round with them telling us we have 4 
ports on our service and we can plug into any of those. G. NBN has 
a shared infrastructure in the common carrier room which we need to 
plug into (ie: we need to remove our NBN fibre box and plug into the 
NBN building based infrastructure).


Has anyone here moved an existing NBN fibre service from one room to 
another in the same building ?


Happy to hear your thoughts and suggestions on how best to achieve this.

Many thanks

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Re: [AusNOG] Due diligence when purchasing IPv4 addresses

[Damian Ivereigh]

The broker is Brander Group, they are registered with APNIC, they are 
based in the US (does that count as having legal recourse!).


Would love any feedback on their reputation. They say they have checked 
the IP's before offering them for sale.


I understand that we will have geolocation issues with Foxtel for months 
(years?), but we had that with our newly minted IP allocation from 
APNIC. So that's par for the course.


Damian


On 14/03/19 12:09, Jonathan Brewer wrote:

Top considerations:

1. Is your broker reputable? Just go on and name them here so people 
can help.
2. Is your broker's company registered in a place you have legal 
recourse if things go wrong?
3. Are they registered with APNIC? 
https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/transfer-facilitators/
4. Have the blocks you're being transferred been blacklisted? Easy to 
check.


Purchases from RIPE should be pretty smooth. Don't do something silly 
like try to lease addresses from LANIC or AFRINIC entities and expect 
your upstreams here to route them for you.


-JB

On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 08:36, Damian Ivereigh <mailto:d...@launtel.net.au>> wrote:


Hey all,

I realise this is in the realm of opinion and scaremongering, but we
have been offered some IPv4 (3 x /22) from a telco company in
Bulgaria
(i.e. RIPE) via a broker. I have APNIC approval etc.

I have not done this before and they are of course keen to push the
sale, wondering what due diligence I can do - I have been told the
ranges. Or should I run a mile?

Damian

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[AusNOG] Due diligence when purchasing IPv4 addresses

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hey all,

I realise this is in the realm of opinion and scaremongering, but we 
have been offered some IPv4 (3 x /22) from a telco company in Bulgaria 
(i.e. RIPE) via a broker. I have APNIC approval etc.


I have not done this before and they are of course keen to push the 
sale, wondering what due diligence I can do - I have been told the 
ranges. Or should I run a mile?


Damian

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[AusNOG] Commercially available CPE that supports 464XLAT

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

Does anyone know of a commercially available CPE router that supports 
464XLAT (i.e. the 464CLAT part)? From what I have found only openwrt 
seems to support it. This is surprising given that the technology has 
been around for a long time - T Mobile in the US have used it to allow 
their network to become IPv6 only over 4 years ago. There is a 
reasonably mature open source implementation of it etc etc.


https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/deploy360/2014/case-study-t-mobile-us-goes-ipv6-only-using-464xlat/

We are using CGNAT (NAT444) at the moment and I am over it - it breaks 
so many things that can't handle the double nat involved. The great 
thing about 464XLAT over (say) DSLite is that you can remove IPv4 
completely from the core network and you end up with just one IPv4 nat 
between the customers home device (XBox etc) and the internet - which 
most applications can handle OK.


I remember David Woolley from Telstra gave an interesting talk at the 
last AusNOG meetup (2018) where they had implemented 464XLAT with great 
success for their 4G failover. I am not sure what manufacturer they used 
- Sagemcom? - I think they had to get them to produce a special build. 
Is there a copy of his presentation anywhere?


So far I have spoken to D-Link and Netcomm and pretty much just got a 
blank look.


Would also be very interested in anyone who has managed to get 464XLAT 
into production.


I think it is worth having a discussion on this, so probably reply back 
to the list.


Damian


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[AusNOG] Peering contact for AWS

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

Is there anyone from AWS on list who can put me in touch with the 
peering guys at AWS for Sydney to organise some bi-lateral peering. I 
have emailed the entry in peeringdb (peer...@amazon.com) several times 
over the last few weeks with no response.


Thanks

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[AusNOG] Hobart NBN POI - latency and packet loss issues

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

Does anyone out there connect directly to the Hobart NBN POI - as in not 
through a wholesaler, they have their own NNI. Or has anyone seen a 
similar issue in another POI?


We are seeing an intermittent increased latency (normally 2ms increases 
to 18ms) and about 3% packet lost to all our AVC's on that POI through 
two separate CVCs.


1) We have excluded all our equipment from causing the latency increase 
(i.e. no buffers anywhere).


2) The time that the issues occurs matches peak load, but not our peak 
load. This morning it started at 10:45 before we were are even 50% 
utilisation. We assume this is due to the holiday and the residential 
traffic. Normally it doesn't start until 6pm.


3) We have plenty of capacity and anyway capacity limits would not lead 
to increased latency - only buffering can do that (and NBN isn't 
supposed to buffer - just strictly police).


4) We are unclear if the issue is on the POI as a whole, or some 
grouping of NNIs - note 2) above excludes our individual NNI being in play.


5) We also connect to the Launceston POI, and are not seeing any of 
these issues using a lot of common infrastructure (which further 
excludes our network).


We have engaged NBN but have so far been unable to get any useful 
response or even acknowledgment that there is an issue.


Thoughts anyone?

Damian

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[AusNOG] Netflix cache box

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any experience installing and using one of these cache 
boxes from Netflix? The specs say that we need to reserve 1Gb for 12 
hours a day (but this can be scheduled for off peak times) - around 
5.4TB of content changes a day by my calculations!


I am sure this is just a theoretical maximum figure and would be 
interested to know what a more the typical figure is.


Damian


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[AusNOG] NBN Order processing issue

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

I hope this isn't off topic, is anyone else seeing all their NBN 
(connect/modify) orders being immediately rejected with a password 
error? It seems to have started at around midnight. I reckon some 
internal system (with password auth) has gone wrong. Sigh.


Status Rejected at 20/01/2018 07:46 Australian Eastern Daylight Time
Reason code: RJ005163
Description: The order request is invalid
Additional notes: Password expired.

Damian

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Re: [AusNOG] using nbn network for >100mbps point-to-point connection

[Damian Ivereigh]

Has anyone ever figured out why NBN will not allow direct L2 
communication between 2 AVC's? The only reason I have just now thought 
of is they want to sell that as a different product (as in the below).


The worst thing about it that they don't just block it, they say they 
will shutdown the whole CVC. We have to do a fair amount of monkeying 
around to make sure everything goes via L3.


Damian

On 12/10/17 15:41, John Lindsay wrote:

Didn’t they recently announce that they are going to announce them?

Surely you can sit tight until 2018 or perhaps 2019, certainly by 2020?

Cheers,

John Lindsay


On 12 Oct 2017, at 2:56 pm, Nathan Brookfield 
 wrote:

S 2020 Still waiting for the business grade products due in 2016 😊

Kindest Regards,
Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)

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NBNCo also have a point to point fibre product in development for enterprise 
grade networking ... due on market in 2018.

http://about.me/terry.sweetser

On 12/10/17 05:35, Joseph Goldman wrote:

ISP's like Skymesh offer 100/100, 200/100 and 200/200 over NBN FTTP by
using bigger plans such as 500/200 and limiting them down to speed,
but I havent seen many else advertising the use of the larger speed
tiers, as for most it'd come under business connections and would be
quoted on a per-user basis.

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[AusNOG] Networking contacts at Foxtel

[Damian Ivereigh]

Does anyone have any contacts at Foxtel that can fix a geoblocking issue 
one of our IP ranges - our clients keep getting a message saying they 
are outside Australia. Last time I checked Tasmania is still part of the 
federation.


I have tried going through the front door and keep getting blocked (I 
was unable to find anyone that had ever heard of geoblocking).


Thanks

Damian


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