Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Jim Woodward]

On 17-04-2018 09:50, Jacob Taylor wrote:

> Hi all, 
> 
> As a 24 year old network engineer, I'm often asked by others at uni how I 
> "broke in" to the networking space. 
> 
> I've also seen this question posed in various permutation on this very list 
> so I thought I would share my some advice for other young people anxious to 
> jump into this space.

I know this is thread is dangerously heading towards way off the list
charter but I agree with what you say, I started out as a tech support
person, I had a basic understanding of IP networking, building a linux
router at home using ipchains I think at the time way back in the kernel
2.0.x days. 

I gradually was exposed to other UNIX admin tasks in the tech support
role, built a few linux servers as a contractor, bought my first Cisco
router (an older ISDN based 1603 which I had connected at home with a
Telstra Home Highway DoV connecton) and with the help of a peer was
introduced to the world of Cisco IOS. 

I have held since a number of System Administration, Network Operations
and Engineer roles and found actual experience, being involved,
engineering a solution all provided much more practical knowledge than
any course (I have held DELL Force 10 and Extreme Networks certs in the
past) and when in position of being involved in hiring and interviewing
additional resources certificates held a part but i was more interested
in what they had done in the field be it personally or for other people,
somebody with a keen interest in the area you are looking for to me is a
far better choice than a professional test passer. 

So my advice is hone your own skills as a start, there is TONS of
documentation on just about every major platform, Linux networking is an
excellent place to start and will give you a very good understanding of
how things connect together with minimal expenditure and when you are
ready to get training you'll be more prepared than most people and
secondly, never stop learning - you'll forget things, you will relearn
things and you may even find a better way of doing something you've done
for years! 

Not everyone will give a novice a chance, when the opportunity arises
take a leap of faith, you cant succeed without failing a few times :) 

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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Ashley Knowles]

Well said, Jake!

I wrote an over-the-top, self-promoting blog post on this exact topic back in 
2010 here - 
http://ashleyknowles.net/2010/11/getting-your-foot-into-the-it-industry/

Regards,
Ash

From: AusNOG  on behalf of Jacob Taylor 

Date: Tuesday, 17 April 2018 at 9:50 am
To: Tristan Gulyas 
Cc: AUSNOG 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks 
(Volunteer)

Hi all,

As a 24 year old network engineer, I'm often asked by others at uni how I 
"broke in" to the networking space.

I've also seen this question posed in various permutation on this very list so 
I thought I would share my some advice for other young people anxious to jump 
into this space.

Obviously, this is highly subjective and anecdotal - YMMV.

Before anything else, I recommend not pidgeonholing yourself into networking. I 
recommend learning SysOps skills and programming, automation technologies and 
so forth. When I started at my current organisation I began in the 
Windows/Linux team. This experience is increasingly critical in the new world 
order of open networking, SDN and all that ilk. In my environment, we have 
started rolling out white-box switching based on Cumulus Linux and 
configuration management/orchestration by Ansible.

Having a CCNA (or NP, JNCIA etc. etc.) is all well and good, but remember every 
other candidate for a role will likely have one. Me? I have only a JNCIA and an 
expired CCENT. Having been interviewed personally and also having interviewed 
others for a senior role (with CCIEs no less), I can most definitely say being 
able to talk passionately about the actual technologies you are 
using/supporting & give examples beats any level of certification. It 
demonstrates higher-level conceptual understanding, which itself is a 
requirement for effective troubleshooting.

Probably a more specific extension of the first point, but I've found it pays 
to be familiar with the workings of application protocols. Understand the 
structure of HTTP requests and responses, TLS handshakes, SIP transactions. I 
recommend whipping out Wireshark or tcpdump and viewing the packets as they go 
on to the wire - this skill has been invaluable in demonstrating that other 
teams/3rd parties were actually at fault after they so happily pointed the 
finger at the network. It is also helpful when configuring/supporting/debugging 
load balancers, which are increasingly being pushed into the support scope of 
networks (at least in my experience).

So yeah, that's my 5 cents on the issue.

Cheers,
Jake


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Tristan Gulyas 
mailto:evilzar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jason,

Some great suggestions in this thread. There's plenty of volunteer work around 
the esports and gaming event area and you get to meet some amazing people in 
the process.  They have special requirements that typically exceed the 
capabilities and flexibility of venue-provided equipment, are on a strict 
budget and you can get a bit creative with your solutions.

I can personally vouch for the team at ESL Australia (who run IEM Sydney) and 
at Ruxcon and I'm also look after Respawn LAN, a Melbourne-gaming community 
very similar to RFLAN who'll be running some events later this year (and we'd 
love a hand with the network!).

Plenty of familiar people on this list whom I've met at similar events over the 
years :)

Cheers,
Tristan



On 17 Apr 2018, at 7:56 am, Jay Dixon 
mailto:jayb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I can second events like this, even if you're not directly on the hardware 
itself you get a lot of good experience with layer 1 - running cables and 
generally getting to troubleshoot networks (a lot of event attendees need 
assistance, volunteer for the helpdesk!)
Many volunteers are industry professionals and can be excellent guides. It's 
how I got started some 18(?!) years ago, a lot of the people I ran helped run 
events with I still see on a day to day basis through work.

Worst case scenario you get to play some games and make some friends!

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Tim Raphael 
mailto:raphael.timo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Jason,

You'd want to be looking at NFP orgs that run events as a good place to start 
for volunteering.

I, with a group of passionate gamers run Red Flag Lanfest (RFLAN) in Perth a 
few times a year. In 18 hours we build a wired and wireless network for ~ 900 
gamers for 24 hours of tournaments ans casual eSports.

You might also want to check out Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) Sydney (Sponsored 
CS:GO competition), I've assisted with that network build in the past and 
they're currently taking volunteers again for this year - maybe check their FB 
page I think for that link.

Cheers,

Tim Raphael

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:52 pm, Jason Leschnik 
> mailto:ja...@leschnik.me>> wrote:
>
> Hi Noggers,
>
> While listening to a back episode of the Packet

Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Jacob Taylor]

 Hi all,

As a 24 year old network engineer, I'm often asked by others at uni how I
"broke in" to the networking space.

I've also seen this question posed in various permutation on this very list
so I thought I would share my some advice for other young people anxious to
jump into this space.

Obviously, this is highly subjective and anecdotal - YMMV.

Before anything else, I recommend not pidgeonholing yourself into
networking. I recommend learning SysOps skills and programming, automation
technologies and so forth. When I started at my current organisation I
began in the Windows/Linux team. This experience is increasingly critical
in the new world order of open networking, SDN and all that ilk. In my
environment, we have started rolling out white-box switching based on
Cumulus Linux and configuration management/orchestration by Ansible.

Having a CCNA (or NP, JNCIA etc. etc.) is all well and good, but remember
every other candidate for a role will likely have one. Me? I have only a
JNCIA and an expired CCENT. Having been interviewed personally and also
having interviewed others for a senior role (with CCIEs no less), I can
most definitely say being able to talk passionately about the actual
technologies you are using/supporting & give examples beats any level of
certification. It demonstrates higher-level conceptual understanding, which
itself is a requirement for effective troubleshooting.

Probably a more specific extension of the first point, but I've found it
pays to be familiar with the workings of application protocols. Understand
the structure of HTTP requests and responses, TLS handshakes, SIP
transactions. I recommend whipping out Wireshark or tcpdump and viewing the
packets as they go on to the wire - this skill has been invaluable in
demonstrating that other teams/3rd parties were actually at fault after
they so happily pointed the finger at the network. It is also helpful when
configuring/supporting/debugging load balancers, which are increasingly
being pushed into the support scope of networks (at least in my experience).

So yeah, that's my 5 cents on the issue.

Cheers,
Jake


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 9:43 AM, Tristan Gulyas 
wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> Some great suggestions in this thread. There's plenty of volunteer work
> around the esports and gaming event area and you get to meet some amazing
> people in the process.  They have special requirements that typically
> exceed the capabilities and flexibility of venue-provided equipment, are on
> a strict budget and you can get a bit creative with your solutions.
>
> I can personally vouch for the team at ESL Australia (who run IEM Sydney)
> and at Ruxcon and I'm also look after Respawn LAN, a Melbourne-gaming
> community very similar to RFLAN who'll be running some events later this
> year (and we'd love a hand with the network!).
>
> Plenty of familiar people on this list whom I've met at similar events
> over the years :)
>
> Cheers,
> Tristan
>
>
>
> On 17 Apr 2018, at 7:56 am, Jay Dixon  wrote:
>
> I can second events like this, even if you're not directly on the hardware
> itself you get a lot of good experience with layer 1 - running cables and
> generally getting to troubleshoot networks (a lot of event attendees need
> assistance, volunteer for the helpdesk!)
> Many volunteers are industry professionals and can be excellent guides.
> It's how I got started some 18(?!) years ago, a lot of the people I ran
> helped run events with I still see on a day to day basis through work.
>
> Worst case scenario you get to play some games and make some friends!
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Tim Raphael 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Jason,
>>
>> You'd want to be looking at NFP orgs that run events as a good place to
>> start for volunteering.
>>
>> I, with a group of passionate gamers run Red Flag Lanfest (RFLAN) in
>> Perth a few times a year. In 18 hours we build a wired and wireless network
>> for ~ 900 gamers for 24 hours of tournaments ans casual eSports.
>>
>> You might also want to check out Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) Sydney
>> (Sponsored CS:GO competition), I've assisted with that network build in the
>> past and they're currently taking volunteers again for this year - maybe
>> check their FB page I think for that link.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim Raphael
>>
>> > On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:52 pm, Jason Leschnik  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Noggers,
>> >
>> > While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one
>> of the guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer
>> Conference) with helping building the temporary network and found it a
>> great way to gain experience. Do we have any events in Australia that
>> afford the same opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if
>> they require a temporary network.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jason.
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>> > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>> 

Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Tristan Gulyas]

Hi Jason,

Some great suggestions in this thread. There's plenty of volunteer work around 
the esports and gaming event area and you get to meet some amazing people in 
the process.  They have special requirements that typically exceed the 
capabilities and flexibility of venue-provided equipment, are on a strict 
budget and you can get a bit creative with your solutions.

I can personally vouch for the team at ESL Australia (who run IEM Sydney) and 
at Ruxcon and I'm also look after Respawn LAN, a Melbourne-gaming community 
very similar to RFLAN who'll be running some events later this year (and we'd 
love a hand with the network!).

Plenty of familiar people on this list whom I've met at similar events over the 
years :)

Cheers,
Tristan



> On 17 Apr 2018, at 7:56 am, Jay Dixon  wrote:
> 
> I can second events like this, even if you're not directly on the hardware 
> itself you get a lot of good experience with layer 1 - running cables and 
> generally getting to troubleshoot networks (a lot of event attendees need 
> assistance, volunteer for the helpdesk!)
> Many volunteers are industry professionals and can be excellent guides. It's 
> how I got started some 18(?!) years ago, a lot of the people I ran helped run 
> events with I still see on a day to day basis through work.
> 
> Worst case scenario you get to play some games and make some friends!
> 
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Tim Raphael  > wrote:
> Hey Jason,
> 
> You'd want to be looking at NFP orgs that run events as a good place to start 
> for volunteering. 
> 
> I, with a group of passionate gamers run Red Flag Lanfest (RFLAN) in Perth a 
> few times a year. In 18 hours we build a wired and wireless network for ~ 900 
> gamers for 24 hours of tournaments ans casual eSports.
> 
> You might also want to check out Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) Sydney 
> (Sponsored CS:GO competition), I've assisted with that network build in the 
> past and they're currently taking volunteers again for this year - maybe 
> check their FB page I think for that link. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tim Raphael
> 
> > On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:52 pm, Jason Leschnik  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Noggers,
> > 
> > While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one of 
> > the guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer 
> > Conference) with helping building the temporary network and found it a 
> > great way to gain experience. Do we have any events in Australia that 
> > afford the same opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if 
> > they require a temporary network.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jason.
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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Dean Bird]

Can I also suggest events like the Commonwealth Games etc.

There is a large technical component behind these events with lots of
opportunities to work next to a whole range of experts.


On Tue., 17 Apr. 2018, 7:56 am Jay Dixon,  wrote:

> I can second events like this, even if you're not directly on the hardware
> itself you get a lot of good experience with layer 1 - running cables and
> generally getting to troubleshoot networks (a lot of event attendees need
> assistance, volunteer for the helpdesk!)
> Many volunteers are industry professionals and can be excellent guides.
> It's how I got started some 18(?!) years ago, a lot of the people I ran
> helped run events with I still see on a day to day basis through work.
>
> Worst case scenario you get to play some games and make some friends!
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Tim Raphael 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Jason,
>>
>> You'd want to be looking at NFP orgs that run events as a good place to
>> start for volunteering.
>>
>> I, with a group of passionate gamers run Red Flag Lanfest (RFLAN) in
>> Perth a few times a year. In 18 hours we build a wired and wireless network
>> for ~ 900 gamers for 24 hours of tournaments ans casual eSports.
>>
>> You might also want to check out Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) Sydney
>> (Sponsored CS:GO competition), I've assisted with that network build in the
>> past and they're currently taking volunteers again for this year - maybe
>> check their FB page I think for that link.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim Raphael
>>
>> > On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:52 pm, Jason Leschnik  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Noggers,
>> >
>> > While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one
>> of the guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer
>> Conference) with helping building the temporary network and found it a
>> great way to gain experience. Do we have any events in Australia that
>> afford the same opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if
>> they require a temporary network.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jason.
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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Jay Dixon]

I can second events like this, even if you're not directly on the hardware
itself you get a lot of good experience with layer 1 - running cables and
generally getting to troubleshoot networks (a lot of event attendees need
assistance, volunteer for the helpdesk!)
Many volunteers are industry professionals and can be excellent guides.
It's how I got started some 18(?!) years ago, a lot of the people I ran
helped run events with I still see on a day to day basis through work.

Worst case scenario you get to play some games and make some friends!

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Tim Raphael 
wrote:

> Hey Jason,
>
> You'd want to be looking at NFP orgs that run events as a good place to
> start for volunteering.
>
> I, with a group of passionate gamers run Red Flag Lanfest (RFLAN) in Perth
> a few times a year. In 18 hours we build a wired and wireless network for ~
> 900 gamers for 24 hours of tournaments ans casual eSports.
>
> You might also want to check out Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) Sydney
> (Sponsored CS:GO competition), I've assisted with that network build in the
> past and they're currently taking volunteers again for this year - maybe
> check their FB page I think for that link.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim Raphael
>
> > On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:52 pm, Jason Leschnik  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Noggers,
> >
> > While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one of
> the guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer
> Conference) with helping building the temporary network and found it a
> great way to gain experience. Do we have any events in Australia that
> afford the same opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if
> they require a temporary network.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jason.
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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Christian Heinrich]

David,

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:08 AM, David Smith  wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that you should adhere to some basic grammatical rules
> when posting critique.  This is a technical forum where accuracy is
> paramount.
>
> Disclaimer:  I did 2U General English but I'm fairly sure he left out a word
> and should have split the response into 3 sentences.

It was midnight but yes I left out "about" between "... remarks the
..."  but I am sure the point would have been understood upon reading
https://twitter.com/daveaitel/status/881325609



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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Tim Raphael]

Hey Jason,

You'd want to be looking at NFP orgs that run events as a good place to start 
for volunteering. 

I, with a group of passionate gamers run Red Flag Lanfest (RFLAN) in Perth a 
few times a year. In 18 hours we build a wired and wireless network for ~ 900 
gamers for 24 hours of tournaments ans casual eSports.

You might also want to check out Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) Sydney (Sponsored 
CS:GO competition), I've assisted with that network build in the past and 
they're currently taking volunteers again for this year - maybe check their FB 
page I think for that link. 

Cheers,

Tim Raphael

> On 15 Apr 2018, at 6:52 pm, Jason Leschnik  wrote:
> 
> Hi Noggers,
> 
> While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one of the 
> guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer Conference) 
> with helping building the temporary network and found it a great way to gain 
> experience. Do we have any events in Australia that afford the same 
> opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if they require a 
> temporary network.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason.
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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[David Smith]

Christian,

I'd like to suggest that you should adhere to some basic grammatical rules
when posting critique.  This is a technical forum where accuracy is
paramount.

Disclaimer:  I did 2U General English but I'm fairly sure he left out a
word and should have split the response into 3 sentences.

Dave

On 16 April 2018 at 23:44, Christian Heinrich  wrote:

> Jason,
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Jason Xiros 
> wrote:
> > Perhaps have a word with Chris from RUXCON. You won't get better
> experience than helping build the network for a security conference   :-)
>
> Chris Spencer has lost considerable support with people who
> volunteered at RUXCON due to disparaging remarks the technical
> capability of women at conferences such as
> https://twitter.com/daveaitel/status/881325609 , etc hence why these
> same volunteers now organise several other better security conferences
> in Australia, such as http://www.bsidesau.com.au/
> https://www.crikeycon.com/ http://wahckon.org.au etc
>
>
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>
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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Christian Heinrich]

Jason,

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Jason Xiros  wrote:
> Perhaps have a word with Chris from RUXCON. You won't get better experience 
> than helping build the network for a security conference   :-)

Chris Spencer has lost considerable support with people who
volunteered at RUXCON due to disparaging remarks the technical
capability of women at conferences such as
https://twitter.com/daveaitel/status/881325609 , etc hence why these
same volunteers now organise several other better security conferences
in Australia, such as http://www.bsidesau.com.au/
https://www.crikeycon.com/ http://wahckon.org.au etc


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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Craig Askings]

Most events will just use whatever the conference site provides as a service. 
For those that need more than that are generally savvy enough themselves as a 
community to know what they need and have the resources and expertise to do it 
themselves.


> On 16 Apr 2018, at 11:52 am, Jason Leschnik  wrote:
> 
> Hi Noggers,
> 
> While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one of the 
> guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer Conference) 
> with helping building the temporary network and found it a great way to gain 
> experience. Do we have any events in Australia that afford the same 
> opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if they require a 
> temporary network.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason.
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Re: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Rory Jones]

Hi Jason,

Pardon my chiming in. This sounds absolutely fantastic for people like me who 
are wanting to get into networking and telco. I’ve been having trouble for a 
number of years now, too bloody many of you ask me... but I’m thinking I’m 
going to have to try something different.

I don’t know if it’s my living in Brisbane and there’s just not much of it 
around here, or what, but I’d love nothing more than to be able to get my feet 
wet so I can better be employable in the field I’m most passionate about.

I don’t mean to hijack the thread or anything, but if someone could share ideas 
on how newbies like me can get into the field, through volunteering, or work 
experience, or anything like that, I think that’d be quite pertinent to the 
topic at hand plus I think it would help others in my position - somehow I 
don’t feel like I’m the only one! Almost seems like network engineering is 
somewhat of a dying art form, with how integrated everything is getting now. 
But that could just be a skewed perspective of “an outsider looking in”.

Fantastic points you’ve raised, Jason, I’ll be watching this thread very 
intently.

Kind regards,
Rory

From: AusNOG  on behalf of Jason Leschnik 

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:52:53 AM
To: AUSNOG
Subject: [AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks 
(Volunteer)

Hi Noggers,

While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one of the 
guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer Conference) 
with helping building the temporary network and found it a great way to gain 
experience. Do we have any events in Australia that afford the same opportunity 
for experience or are most contracted out if they require a temporary network.

Regards,
Jason.
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[AusNOG] Opportunities in Australia to work on Event networks (Volunteer)

[Jason Leschnik]

Hi Noggers,

While listening to a back episode of the Packet Pushers I noticed one of
the guests mentioned he volunteered every year for SC (Super Computer
Conference) with helping building the temporary network and found it a
great way to gain experience. Do we have any events in Australia that
afford the same opportunity for experience or are most contracted out if
they require a temporary network.

Regards,
Jason.
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