[Ayatana] Chocolate Color Scheme
Ubuntu always had an earthy color scheme, one with brown and orange. There have been a lot of discussions about this because many users have violent reactions. However, it is difficult to veer away from the color scheme because it defines Ubuntu very much and the rationale behind it is reasonable. Perfectska04 has a famous GNOME theme suite. Probably, a lot of you are familiar to it and are using it. He has a set of icon themes, GDM themes, and gtk themes that have different color schemes. His latest color scheme is the Dust variant. This scheme's look and feel is based on the color of chocolate. Prior to that, he always had a Human variant, which is orange. The Dust variant feels more earthy and looks much more elegant. For some reason, I am much more comfortable with the chocolate feel. Maybe because orange really feels cheaper. It has always been associated with low end products and services while a dark shade of brown, in my opinion, reminds the user of chocolate and leather. Shiki-Dust and GNOME-Dust fit the Ubuntu desktop very well because of the look and feel that they create. It is earthy like the Human theme, just more elegant, in my opinion. There may be some usability issues because of the dark elements of the theme but the only known bug due to its dark nature is a small color issue in Firefox which is fixed by adding a user style mentioned in http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 . Jaunty included Dust and New Wave as alternative themes. I believe that Shiki is much more bug-free and elegant than most themes and it is in very active development. In fact, OpenSuSE 11.2's default theme (Sonar) is based on the green variant, GNOME-Wise, of the theme suite. I suggest at least including the Dust variant of GNOME-Colors to the future versions of Ubuntu as an alternative theme to Human, if not as a default. I understand that it has a little different set of principles from the Human icon theme as it includes application icons. This can easily be fixed by not including those icons, though. I am sending this to the Ubuntu Artwork Theme and Ayatana discussion because its an artwork issue that can be included in the 100 papercuts. Here is a link to the screenshot of my desktop with the GNOME-Dust theme. http://g.imagehost.org/view/0082/Screenshot Best Regards ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What most people would find useful
Paulo J. S. Silva pjssi...@ime.usp.br wrote: The more I think about it, the more I think that automatic updates for *security* problems should be default option. I have to admit that most of my regular friends and family members do know what to do with the list presented by update-manager (or windows update notification). I would suggest an extra screen in Ubiquity about updates. It is an important matter and deserves its own screen. It should present the option of automatic updates for security problems selected by default together with a text explaining that they are probably a good idea, but also warning the user that it implies downloads and installation in the background. It should point out that this might not be a very good idea for very slow connections or for users that need strict control on the amount downloaded (due to download costs for example). The main reason for a separate window for this option is that the window would have enough space to explain the advantages and possible drawbacks of such default option. +1 It would be nice if the system presents bubbles (or more permanent notifications) saying that is is starting a download and another one I'd like to have a bubble a few minutes before any download starts so I have the chance to stop it Florian -- http://www.florian-diesch.de/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What most people would find useful
mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com wrote: Wouter Stomp wrote: It could just start downloading the first update and if download speed is below a certain threshold, try resuming at a later time (after some specified interval). Windows does this in a better way using the : *Background Intelligent Transfer Service technology* [BITS] , Downloads dont occur when you are using the connection and pauses when connection is lost and it auto resumes. So the user doesnt have to bother at all... Something like this can be implemented . Maybe traffic shaping could be used to give a low priority to the updates. Florian -- http://www.florian-diesch.de/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Chocolate Color Scheme
Personally another earthy colour scheme isn't what im looking for. I like notify-osd I think its slick but at the moment its a little out of place with the desktop look. So in that way maybe making a darker theme to match might work well but not brown please not brown. Like a light grey might be nice IMO. The gnome-colors thing sounds very interesting I think it should be looked into. It would solve the issues of themes and colour. It seems a little limited though it only has 6 different colours but it is a step in the right direction. The one thing we have to keep in mind that space on the cd is limited so anything we add will have to be fairly small. Regards Shane_Fagan On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 21:24 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: I forgot to mention. I am also suggesting adjusting the current Human theme to something more chocolate-ey if including the themes under discussion would not be possible. I failed to add the links to the project I was referring to. Sorry. Here it is http://code.google.com/p/gnome-colors/ Shiki-Colors gtk http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 GNOME-Colors icon theme http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME-colors?content=82562 On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 21:17 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: Ubuntu always had an earthy color scheme, one with brown and orange. There have been a lot of discussions about this because many users have violent reactions. However, it is difficult to veer away from the color scheme because it defines Ubuntu very much and the rationale behind it is reasonable. Perfectska04 has a famous GNOME theme suite. Probably, a lot of you are familiar to it and are using it. He has a set of icon themes, GDM themes, and gtk themes that have different color schemes. His latest color scheme is the Dust variant. This scheme's look and feel is based on the color of chocolate. Prior to that, he always had a Human variant, which is orange. The Dust variant feels more earthy and looks much more elegant. For some reason, I am much more comfortable with the chocolate feel. Maybe because orange really feels cheaper. It has always been associated with low end products and services while a dark shade of brown, in my opinion, reminds the user of chocolate and leather. Shiki-Dust and GNOME-Dust fit the Ubuntu desktop very well because of the look and feel that they create. It is earthy like the Human theme, just more elegant, in my opinion. There may be some usability issues because of the dark elements of the theme but the only known bug due to its dark nature is a small color issue in Firefox which is fixed by adding a user style mentioned in http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 . Jaunty included Dust and New Wave as alternative themes. I believe that Shiki is much more bug-free and elegant than most themes and it is in very active development. In fact, OpenSuSE 11.2's default theme (Sonar) is based on the green variant, GNOME-Wise, of the theme suite. I suggest at least including the Dust variant of GNOME-Colors to the future versions of Ubuntu as an alternative theme to Human, if not as a default. I understand that it has a little different set of principles from the Human icon theme as it includes application icons. This can easily be fixed by not including those icons, though. I am sending this to the Ubuntu Artwork Theme and Ayatana discussion because its an artwork issue that can be included in the 100 papercuts. Here is a link to the screenshot of my desktop with the GNOME-Dust theme. http://g.imagehost.org/view/0082/Screenshot Best Regards ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Cursor theme [was: Re: Chocolate Color Scheme]
Talking about artwork, why don't why also change the cursor theme to something dark or black? A dark/black cursor will be more visible for most people, because: a) Ubuntu uses a light-coloured theme b) most webpages have a white background This is especially visible when you hover your mouse cursor over a text field - a white text cursor on a white background is almost invisible. What do you think about it? Regards, Przemek On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Shane Faganshanepatrickfa...@yahoo.ie wrote: Personally another earthy colour scheme isn't what im looking for. I like notify-osd I think its slick but at the moment its a little out of place with the desktop look. So in that way maybe making a darker theme to match might work well but not brown please not brown. Like a light grey might be nice IMO. The gnome-colors thing sounds very interesting I think it should be looked into. It would solve the issues of themes and colour. It seems a little limited though it only has 6 different colours but it is a step in the right direction. The one thing we have to keep in mind that space on the cd is limited so anything we add will have to be fairly small. Regards Shane_Fagan On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 21:24 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: I forgot to mention. I am also suggesting adjusting the current Human theme to something more chocolate-ey if including the themes under discussion would not be possible. I failed to add the links to the project I was referring to. Sorry. Here it is http://code.google.com/p/gnome-colors/ Shiki-Colors gtk http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 GNOME-Colors icon theme http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME-colors?content=82562 On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 21:17 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: Ubuntu always had an earthy color scheme, one with brown and orange. There have been a lot of discussions about this because many users have violent reactions. However, it is difficult to veer away from the color scheme because it defines Ubuntu very much and the rationale behind it is reasonable. Perfectska04 has a famous GNOME theme suite. Probably, a lot of you are familiar to it and are using it. He has a set of icon themes, GDM themes, and gtk themes that have different color schemes. His latest color scheme is the Dust variant. This scheme's look and feel is based on the color of chocolate. Prior to that, he always had a Human variant, which is orange. The Dust variant feels more earthy and looks much more elegant. For some reason, I am much more comfortable with the chocolate feel. Maybe because orange really feels cheaper. It has always been associated with low end products and services while a dark shade of brown, in my opinion, reminds the user of chocolate and leather. Shiki-Dust and GNOME-Dust fit the Ubuntu desktop very well because of the look and feel that they create. It is earthy like the Human theme, just more elegant, in my opinion. There may be some usability issues because of the dark elements of the theme but the only known bug due to its dark nature is a small color issue in Firefox which is fixed by adding a user style mentioned in http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 . Jaunty included Dust and New Wave as alternative themes. I believe that Shiki is much more bug-free and elegant than most themes and it is in very active development. In fact, OpenSuSE 11.2's default theme (Sonar) is based on the green variant, GNOME-Wise, of the theme suite. I suggest at least including the Dust variant of GNOME-Colors to the future versions of Ubuntu as an alternative theme to Human, if not as a default. I understand that it has a little different set of principles from the Human icon theme as it includes application icons. This can easily be fixed by not including those icons, though. I am sending this to the Ubuntu Artwork Theme and Ayatana discussion because its an artwork issue that can be included in the 100 papercuts. Here is a link to the screenshot of my desktop with the GNOME-Dust theme. http://g.imagehost.org/view/0082/Screenshot Best Regards ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki Azrael Nightwalker ## # jabber: azrael[na]jabster.pl | tlen: azrael29a # ### www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ ### ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :
Re: [Ayatana] Chocolate Color Scheme
Just a few comments : Orange being associated to low quality is an USA cultural specific issue, as far as i know. In fact, if it's almost not used in Europe, i don't think companies that use it are looked at as low quality at all. And since it's an uncommon color, it's very practical for building a strong standing. I don't think an issue such as the default theme itself could be a paper cut at all. A theme is a lot of work (make sure it works with all the apps, with any kind of screen, with different luminosities), and i believe this is why it hasn't been changed. A default theme shouldn't be glossy or whatever, it should be easy to use, and I must say Human never went in my way, so it's a good theme on this aspect. Cordially, SD. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Chocolate Color Scheme
Well Gnome-Shell is glossy but in the short term the panels are quite ugly and the brown makes it worse to look at. My point is that at the moment compared to Mac OSX. In something as basic as the theme we have brown. Mac has its white solid and slick. Windows has black ish grey which also looks quite nice. So the competition has put a lot of effort into having a good theme with a good colour. So we should change to something a little cooler to compete, even if its only being included in the two releases (probably) before Gnome 3.0 is included in ubuntu. Orange is still too close to brown in my opinion. I think it isn't a papercut but its still is related to desktop experience. Shane_Fagan On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 18:46 +0200, Steve Dodier wrote: Just a few comments : Orange being associated to low quality is an USA cultural specific issue, as far as i know. In fact, if it's almost not used in Europe, i don't think companies that use it are looked at as low quality at all. And since it's an uncommon color, it's very practical for building a strong standing. I don't think an issue such as the default theme itself could be a paper cut at all. A theme is a lot of work (make sure it works with all the apps, with any kind of screen, with different luminosities), and i believe this is why it hasn't been changed. A default theme shouldn't be glossy or whatever, it should be easy to use, and I must say Human never went in my way, so it's a good theme on this aspect. Cordially, SD. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Are you saying that you really NEVER experienced an upgrade that creates a problem? I use my computer to work. Sometimes I just can't afford the risk that the thing breaks, even in minor aspects. E.g. when I am preparing a presentation or I am under a deadline. For this reasons the popup cannot be that frequent, it'd be annoying to people like me. But this creates a time-window for worms. If any. The -security updates trigger the Update Manager to appear immediately. There is no delay. Non-security updates don't do that, they get queued and presented every week by default, unless you manually go into the update manager or package manager, in which case the Update manager is deferred for another week. So the effect is: - security updates are presented immediately - others are presented occasionally, on a cadence that's judged reasonable Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Are you saying that you really NEVER experienced an upgrade that creates a problem? I use my computer to work. Sometimes I just can't afford the risk that the thing breaks, even in minor aspects. E.g. when I am preparing a presentation or I am under a deadline. For this reasons the popup cannot be that frequent, it'd be annoying to people like me. But this creates a time-window for worms. If any. The -security updates trigger the Update Manager to appear immediately. There is no delay. Non-security updates don't do that, they get queued and presented every week by default, unless you manually go into the update manager or package manager, in which case the Update manager is deferred for another week. So the effect is: - security updates are presented immediately - others are presented occasionally, on a cadence that's judged reasonable Mark Ok but if I close the pop-up, when will I be adviced to upgrade again? In a week, unless there is a new *security* update before then. In any case, what about the system indicator? May it be used for upgrades? I did not see any details passing by. Interesting idea, let's discuss it in that thread. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
