Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future) - a mislead user's musing
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 23:50 +0200, dani planas armangue wrote: > ok, I created a small image that ilillustrates some of my arguments. it > is true that these are bugs that must be corrected, but I think there is > much discusion on the general theme design, > first need think, then do. > > http://img227.imageshack.us/f/bugse.jpg/ > > > ;) > PD: form precedes function. First image on top, you are using Nautilus-elementary[not the default nautilus] , which is why you are having the difference in the button sizes of pathbar and toolbar buttons. > File a bug in nautilus-elementary . We'll get to it ;) The 3 buttons you are comparing are different buttons hance the difference: text-only , text+icon *toolbar* buttons, Icon-only toolbar buttons from inkscape. FYI , you can change the inkscape buttons sizes from inkscape preferences. Not a theme bug , it is an inkscape setting. So if you feel the inkscape icon size is small , it needs to be fixed in inkscape to change the default icon size. [Though , it would be preferably to have more space to work with and less toolbar size, not sure why you want bigger buttons there.] On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 00:51 +0200, dani planas armangue wrote: > > >Something is strange here. Those screenshots are clearly not using > >the default theme. I thought the default theme was what is being > >discussed here? > > >Also, the difference between gedit and inkscape... isn't this an > >application setting? > > this is not the default theme that comes in lucid, which is working to > Maverick Merkat > > https://launchpad.net/~dashua/+archive/light-themes > > Daniel.P > Argh! Most importantly, the source of Dani's confusion : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/maverick-to-ship-with-new-transparent.html http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/well-thats-nice-volume-slider-minor.html This whole thread is a waste of everyone's time based on a couple of misleading posts! Earlier that lp branch was named light-themes-testing which has _mislead_ the blogger to the assumption that this would be used in Maverick. On seeing the blog posts, I had to request dashua to rename the branch and now it is named dashua-themes-testing. But still people are directed there due to the blogs. MPT had clearly mentioned in the comments[of the first post] that this blog post had *not* been fact-checked and is a wrong assumption. However all those comments have now been deleted! People should be a little more responsible while blogging, we obviously have naive readers who are being wildly mislead. -- Cheers, Vish ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What should be Gwibber's behavior when acessed from the messaging menu?
On 10/06/10 08:17, Conscious User wrote: > I'm particularly keen on a window for showing the thread the message > belongs to because it is something useful in general, not only for > indicators. > Horrible mockup attached for your viewing pleasure. > I hate popups. So nyet :-) But try something different. Try bringing up the normal Gwibber window, with the other messages dimmed and that message not dimmed. Or the normal Gwibber window scrolled to the message in question. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)
On 10/06/10 00:35, dani planas armangue wrote: > this is what ayatana list is destined to do? discuss design issues > generated. Yes. Politely. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What should be Gwibber's behavior when acessed from the messaging menu?
> But try something different. Try bringing up the normal Gwibber window, > with the other messages dimmed and that message not dimmed. Or the > normal Gwibber window scrolled to the message in question. The dimming idea is interesting and could be applied to multiple streams if at least one of them contain the post. But what if none of the open streams contain the post? (ex: user received a message from identi.ca, but currently only has some twitter streams open) Kinda corner case, but possible. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What should be Gwibber's behavior when acessed from the messaging menu?
On 10/06/10 08:38, Conscious User wrote: > The dimming idea is interesting and could be applied to multiple > streams if at least one of them contain the post. But what if none > of the open streams contain the post? > > (ex: user received a message from identi.ca, but currently only > has some twitter streams open) > Of course the relevant stream should be opened. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future) - a mislead user's musing
> Argh! Most importantly, the source of Dani's confusion : > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/maverick-to-ship-with-new-transparent.html > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/well-thats-nice-volume-slider-minor.html > > This whole thread is a waste of everyone's time based on a couple of > misleading posts! > > Earlier that lp branch was named light-themes-testing which has > _mislead_ the blogger to the assumption that this would be used in > Maverick. > On seeing the blog posts, I had to request dashua to rename the branch > and now it is named dashua-themes-testing. But still people are directed > there due to the blogs. > > MPT had clearly mentioned in the comments[of the first post] that this > blog post had *not* been fact-checked and is a wrong assumption. However > all those comments have now been deleted! > > People should be a little more responsible while blogging, we obviously > have naive readers who are being wildly mislead. Thanks for the clarification, Vish. I hadn't seen the blog posts, so I simply assumed that the PPA dani pointed to was official in some way. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)
> This whole thread is a waste of everyone's time based on a couple of > misleading posts! > > Earlier that lp branch was named light-themes-testing which has > _mislead_ the blogger to the assumption that this would be used in > Maverick. > On seeing the blog posts, I had to request dashua to rename the branch > and now it is named dashua-themes-testing. But still people are directed > there due to the blogs. > > MPT had clearly mentioned in the comments[of the first post] that this > blog post had *not* been fact-checked and is a wrong assumption. However > all those comments have now been deleted! > > People should be a little more responsible while blogging, we obviously > have naive readers who are being wildly mislead. >Thanks for the clarification, Vish. I hadn't seen the blog posts, so >I simply assumed that the PPA dani pointed to was official in some way. then this ppa not shows changes for Maverick? ok ok, I apologize for the misunderstanding. then, regarding the theme light and Humanity icons will follow the same on maverik? open any significant change? thanks and again apologies. Daniel.P -- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] UX Patterns
Hi! The GNOME 3 HIG is planned to have a UX pattern library. The very few people with the right skills and in the right position to work on that most efficiently are of course very busy. But maybe we could help a bit, at least with the overall structure? Please feel invited for brainstorming and documentation. Even if what we come up doesn't fit upstream, I'm confident it will be of value. It's also quite possible that there will be a divergence between Ubuntu and GNOME on a pattern level, at some point, though I hope it can be avoided, except for a few details. I started at http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns but that is perhaps not the best approach for a larger number of contributors, so I'll paste the content below. Do feel free to edit on the pad, but drop me a line if you do so. Otherwise, lets use this list and then the wiki. --- UX design patterns for the GNOME 3 HIG See current list of possible patterns at: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG/ThreeZero/LondonHackfestNotes Ressources on UI/UX patterns: * http://www.welie.com/patterns/ * http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/ * http://www.designingsocialinterfaces.com/patterns.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page * http://uipatternfactory.com/ * http://interface.fh-potsdam.de/infodesignpatterns/patterns.php Avoidance (of options, menus, error cases, additional widgets, dialogs, windows ...) Visual organisation * Layout * Use of colour * Display of information Managing visibility * Windows * Tabs * Expanders Indicating possible actions * Clicking * Context menus * Dragging Managing items (Add, Remove ...) Taking input (validation) Selection Feedback and interactive control * Avoiding interruptions * Process feedback and control (progress, pause/cancel) * Event notification * Dealing with errors Presenting options / configuration Navigation / browsing * Dealing with paths and URIs Search * Completion * Incremental * Defining scope * Costructing Queries Writing text for GUIs * Writing style * Tone of voice * Localisation issues * Showing fields with units Application types * Document editing * Viewer * Librarian * Browser * Utility * Game --- The first task is to find on organization that helps to cover everything and avoids overlap. Of course it does make sense to have several angles, that sometimes just have to lead to the same thing. Maybe it can't be a tree, but must become a Venn diagram or even a graph :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] What should be Gwibber's behavior when acessed from the messaging menu?
On 10 June 2010 08:30, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 10/06/10 08:17, Conscious User wrote: >> I'm particularly keen on a window for showing the thread the message >> belongs to because it is something useful in general, not only for >> indicators. >> Horrible mockup attached for your viewing pleasure. >> > > I hate popups. So nyet :-) > (Love your russian =) > But try something different. Try bringing up the normal Gwibber window, > with the other messages dimmed and that message not dimmed. Or the > normal Gwibber window scrolled to the message in question. > This type of thing has been solved quite wonderfully in google reader. Newest entries are on top, each entry has "read" parameter, by default only unread are shown once you "scroll" trough a message (it gets a thin blue border highlight) and after a momemnt i becomes "read" and will not show up after you switch to a different view (reload). Ofsource if you search all entries show up and if the stream is empty a nice text shown "no new entries View all?" or we can fade all and bring them in if user starts scrolling through "past notices". > Mark > пс. лудше громкое нет, чем тихое да. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)
On 10 June 2010 14:08, dani planas armangue wrote: >> This whole thread is a waste of everyone's time based on a couple of >> misleading posts! >> >> Earlier that lp branch was named light-themes-testing which has >> _mislead_ the blogger to the assumption that this would be used in >> Maverick. >> On seeing the blog posts, I had to request dashua to rename the branch >> and now it is named dashua-themes-testing. But still people are directed >> there due to the blogs. >> >> MPT had clearly mentioned in the comments[of the first post] that this >> blog post had *not* been fact-checked and is a wrong assumption. However >> all those comments have now been deleted! >> >> People should be a little more responsible while blogging, we obviously >> have naive readers who are being wildly mislead. > > >>Thanks for the clarification, Vish. I hadn't seen the blog posts, so >>I simply assumed that the PPA dani pointed to was official in some way. > > then this ppa not shows changes for Maverick? > ok ok, I apologize for the misunderstanding. > > then, regarding the theme light and Humanity icons will follow the same > on maverik? open any significant change? > Watch design.ubuntu.com & the artwork landing is way towards the end of the cycle. This is too early for artwork updates =) > thanks and again apologies. > > Daniel.P > -- > > > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)
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Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu themes(future)
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 15:08 +0200, dani planas armangue wrote: > > then, regarding the theme light will follow the same > on maverik? open any significant change? You might be interested in following link: http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/last-week-in-london-and-brussels/ Quoting Kenneth Wimer "More on this in the near future." ;) -- Cheers, Vish ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Should we change how/when Release Notes are displayed?
I seldom go to the actual Ubuntu home page: http://www.ubuntu.com/ But today, after corresponding with Steve Langasek here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/576724 I gave things a look and while it looks good where's the suggestion to read the Release Notes before proceeding? I do a lot of distro hopping just to see what's going on elsewhere, so I always read, study, read, study but many don't! So, should we change how and/or when Release Notes are displayed? I sort of picture a "pop-up" when the download begins suggesting one read the release notes. Then again that may be obtrusive. Just something I felt worth giving thought to ;^) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Should we create a "distro-upgrade testing" team?
Undoubtedly this may sound kind of crazy, but I've been "iso-testing" for nearly two years. When I began I was very poor at it, I'd basically give the iso a "pass" if I managed to get it to run/install but as time went on I became more "detail oriented" and I'd like to think that I've helped to a small degree. Now, I'm not sure how long ago iso-testing began "in the community" but I'd guess at one time it was largely done internally. Would it be possible to try a "distro-upgrade testing" team scenario similar to "iso-testing"? I think it could be beneficial to the project but I also realize that it requires resources that may or may not be available. Just a thought to toss around. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
