[Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate
On 29/06/10 07:19, Conscious User wrote: I think that makes two of two implementations that nicely illustrate the concern that CSD is harmful for workspace consistency. I have to agree on this one. Visual inconsistency is one of the oldest complaints against Songbird. I think there's a difference between cases where the application takes all matter into its own hands, and cases where the application implements CSD inside a desktop-wide framework. As you can see, ignoring CSD isn't stopping popular apps from embracing elements of it - inconsistently. My view is that making CSD systemic isn't going to worsen the situation, and likely makes it substantially better. Songbird and Chrome are innovating because the desktop environments are not. In part, the desktop environments are not innovating because (a) Windows and MacOS are too entrenched, and (b) Linux folks can't agree on a direction, and views are vociferous across the spectrum. The direction we have taken with Unity and the netbook interface will, I hope, address some of the issues that have driven the unilateral movement by Songbird, Chrome and others. In other words, by making the window system / desktop environment layout more efficient in the way those app developers care about, we reduce the pressure for them to do things that are radically different, and hence inconsistent. What do they care about? Efficiency. Both Chrome and Songbird have tried to eliminate wasted vertical space, in different ways. Songbird by putting the menu in the window title bar, Chrome, by moving the menu to a much less vertically intrusive form factor. Chrome has gone further, putting tabs into the titlebar area too. In 10.10, we'll take a big step forward in the netbook edition, by moving the menu into the top panel and combining it with the titlebar for maximised windows. The next challenge will be for us to be smarter about tabs, so I think we'll do a bunch of exploration work for 11.04 in that regard. If we can *nail* those things, we'll have the most efficient use of vertical space, and can reasonably expect Chrome and Songbird to embrace it. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] reviewing the Screenshot Tool [was: Idea: windicator add-ons, an extensible window border]
2010/7/4 Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com * can't zoom thumb * can't crop Crop (and therefore zoom) is something I do with almost all screenshots, and I think it's such a common use case that it should really be available directly in the app, even though it's some duplication of effort. I also think that the tool could very well open a bigger window with a bigger thumb, when there is room for it. It pops up on top anyway, so no need to save space? Also, it could probably make better use of the space to get a bigger thumb. Super-simple annotation would be useful too (pen + text) but of course that treads further down the path of complexity and duplication. * no support for image hosting services [2] I would like to see a plugin functionality for this, even though some of the more popular could be included and activated by default. There just are so many useful utilities for such a possibility, my own use case would be the ability to install or write a plugin that knows how to file and issue with Jira, Bugzilla, etc. Others would like Flickr, Picasa, Facebook etc, or any of the national image communities like the Swedish bilddagboken (image diary). It could very well be a restricted kind of plugin that only is allowed to register into a share/send kind of menu. / K ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Broadcasting from Me Menu: thoughts after some time using it
On 28/06/10 21:40, Apoorva Sharma wrote: I really like the idea of having some sort of notification on a successful broadcast from the memenu. However, I think that too much color could be a problem. Thus, I propose the following: * After the user stops writing the message, a spinner fades in at the right end of the textbox. * If the message is successfully sent, the spinner fades out, a check fades in, and after a while, the check fades out. * If the message fails to be sent, then a red cross fades in in place of the spinner, and doesn't fade out until the message is sent. * If it fails at first, but then works, the red x fades out, and the check fades in. I think that this system would provide a minimalistic notification of the broadcast, fitting in with the minimalistic style of the panel. However, we want to preserve as many of the benefits of menu operation as possible. When you click on a menu item, or hit enter, *the menu disappears*. That makes them very lean to work with, because you don't have to act-then-dismiss, as you do with dialogs. In the tweet-from-me-menu case, we want to preserve that lightweight feeling. So, clicking on the me menu, typing your message, and pressing enter should *dismiss* the menu. But then we still want to provide some feedback on the success or failure of the tweet. Hence the desire for a spinny overlaid, followed by a green flash if it went well, and a persistent red hint if it did not. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] reviewing the Screenshot Tool [was: Idea: windicator add-ons, an extensible window border]
Someone did a really excellent design on the Windows 7 Snipping tool: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/snipping-tool. I've used it at work and it is really nice. 2010/7/4 Kristoffer Lundén kristoffer.lun...@gmail.com: 2010/7/4 Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com * can't zoom thumb * can't crop Crop (and therefore zoom) is something I do with almost all screenshots, and I think it's such a common use case that it should really be available directly in the app, even though it's some duplication of effort. I also think that the tool could very well open a bigger window with a bigger thumb, when there is room for it. It pops up on top anyway, so no need to save space? Also, it could probably make better use of the space to get a bigger thumb. Super-simple annotation would be useful too (pen + text) but of course that treads further down the path of complexity and duplication. * no support for image hosting services [2] I would like to see a plugin functionality for this, even though some of the more popular could be included and activated by default. There just are so many useful utilities for such a possibility, my own use case would be the ability to install or write a plugin that knows how to file and issue with Jira, Bugzilla, etc. Others would like Flickr, Picasa, Facebook etc, or any of the national image communities like the Swedish bilddagboken (image diary). It could very well be a restricted kind of plugin that only is allowed to register into a share/send kind of menu. / K ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate
In 10.10, we'll take a big step forward in the netbook edition, by moving the menu into the top panel and combining it with the titlebar for maximised windows. This will be very nice! Thanks Dev's. Defiantly going on my laptop, even tho its 12, tabs will finally hit the edge of the screen. Assuming I read that right. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
