Re: [Ayatana] SVG default wallpaper was: OMG!

[Mark Shuttleworth]

 On 03/09/10 21:44, Diego Moya wrote:
> One word of warning - if  this feature finally gets included in
> Ubuntu, please make sure that the orange highlights are always kept
> subtle and never run out of control. 
>
> In Owens' demo the generated wallpaper looks great mainly because it
> contains very few and faded orange splashes. On the other hand, the
> original wallpaper that generated so much controversy contains no less
> than three big, highly saturated stains.
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-default-wallpaper.html
>
> The new Ubuntu color palette takes an aggressive stance by combining
> purple and orange. While this combination can achieve a vibrating
> effects in the hands of a skilled designer, it's simply too risky to
> use in a random generator. So please put a constraint so that the
> orange highlights are always restricted to low saturations.
>

+1



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Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required

[Frederik Nnaji]

Hello MPT ;)

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 21:02, Matthew Paul Thomas  wrote:

> > 2010/8/2 Frederik Nnaji :
> >>
> >> *Does* Ubuntu warn the user beforehand that the updates about to
> >> be made will eventually require a restart? I can't recall..
>
> In the update handling specification, I've specified that it should.
>  (For the
> implementation, see
> <
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-distiguishing-updates-that-require-restart
> >.
> I don't know how far that ever went.)
>

The blueprint you linked here was superseded by another one.. here:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/upgrading-running-software/
The original blueprint holds implementation ideas (tagging) and questions
(will tagging apps require changes to Soyuz?), while the one superseding it
suggests a brainstorming session.. did such a session happen? Was it
documented by anyone?

Another more "Restart Required" specific spec lies here, created by Joel
Ebel:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpgradingRunningPrograms

does Joel's spec somehow interfere with the changes you propose in your
spec?
I think it is good to have multiple specs for the same cause, as long as
we're brainstorming methods or as long as we're in draft stage.

For implementation, having rivalling specs within one project (Ubuntu) is
either highly intentional or deadly to progress.

>...
> >>> With the exception of Firefox updates, the old version works fine
> >>> until restart.  What you don't get is the benefit of the update.
> >>> Firefox will stop working if not restarted (and warns about this).
> >...
> >> so then red is the wrong color
> >
> > Depends on what fix isn't in place. Leaving a remote root exploit in
> > place seems pretty red to me.
> >...
>
> But you're no less secure, at that moment, than you were when Ubuntu
> knew the update was available but you hadn't installed it yet. Should
> the icon be red then too? And if not, why should it be red now?
>

what is your personal shot at this? I think apt doesn't warn about this,
keeps its interaction dialog lean and purposeful. Our discussion here leads
me to the conclusion that we want updates to be a seamless service:
interruptions of human workflow are bad app behaviour and deserve to be
flagged, so USER can avoid them timely.
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Re: [Ayatana] SVG default wallpaper was: OMG!

[Frederik Nnaji]

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 09:25, Mark Shuttleworth  wrote:

>
> Something I wanted us to try was the idea of "convergence days", where we'd
> publish a data file quietly which would say "on such and such a date, try to
> be as close to this as possible", specifying the position and parameters of
> the various effects / lights / features. That way, we'd have weeks of
> divergence, then a "rush to convergence" over say 5 days, so on a particular
> day everyone's desktop looks the same again.
>
> I thought of using constellations [..]
>

So you are suggesting Ubuntu may receive it's own nightsky? Constellations
are a beautiful idea, cultures all over the planet (and perhaps all over
other planets also) have been aware of constellations at all times, one of
the oldest human observations at all.
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Re: [Ayatana] Presence via Me Menu

[Apoorva Sharma]

I think the fact that the memenu even shows the state changing buttons even 
when chat is off is ridiculous. How is the user supposed to know that to turn 
those buttons useable, he has to go to a different menu?

There was a recent thread about a memenu redesign, in which I made a mockup 
that fixed this.



On Sep 3, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Frederik Nnaji  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> i've been thinking about this one for quite a while now..
> We can't control our state of Presence (Me Menu) when empathy's presence is 
> set to "offline".
> 
> how is this situation supposed to evolve?
> 
> My own idea would be, to replace "invisible" with "offline", since i appear 
> as offline when i set my presence to invisible.
> Clicking "offline" in the current Me Menu quits all accounts in Empathy, with 
> no way of going back online.
> Perhaps then it would make sense to replace "offline" (Me Menu) with "quit".
> 
> thoughts?
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Re: [Ayatana] Presence via Me Menu

[Apoorva Sharma]

I think the fact that the memenu even shows the state changing buttons even 
when chat is off is ridiculous. How is the user supposed to know that to turn 
those buttons useable, he has to go to a different menu?

There was a recent thread about a memenu redesign, in which I made a mockup 
that fixed this.

https://cacoo.com/diagrams/ahMLE47Yv1fior3p

On Sep 3, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Frederik Nnaji  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> i've been thinking about this one for quite a while now..
> We can't control our state of Presence (Me Menu) when empathy's presence is 
> set to "offline".
> 
> how is this situation supposed to evolve?
> 
> My own idea would be, to replace "invisible" with "offline", since i appear 
> as offline when i set my presence to invisible.
> Clicking "offline" in the current Me Menu quits all accounts in Empathy, with 
> no way of going back online.
> Perhaps then it would make sense to replace "offline" (Me Menu) with "quit".
> 
> thoughts?
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Re: [Ayatana] SVG default wallpaper was: OMG!

[Tyler Brainerd]

But those constellations will, indeed, look different and appear at
different times depending on where in the world you live.

Good idea though. I'd be in favor of it. I always liked those wallpapers
that show hourly views of the globe, including clouds and light.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Frederik Nnaji wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 09:25, Mark Shuttleworth  wrote:
>
>>
>> Something I wanted us to try was the idea of "convergence days", where
>> we'd publish a data file quietly which would say "on such and such a date,
>> try to be as close to this as possible", specifying the position and
>> parameters of the various effects / lights / features. That way, we'd have
>> weeks of divergence, then a "rush to convergence" over say 5 days, so on a
>> particular day everyone's desktop looks the same again.
>>
>> I thought of using constellations [..]
>>
>
> So you are suggesting Ubuntu may receive it's own nightsky? Constellations
> are a beautiful idea, cultures all over the planet (and perhaps all over
> other planets also) have been aware of constellations at all times, one of
> the oldest human observations at all.
>
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Re: [Ayatana] SVG default wallpaper was: OMG!

[Martin Owens]

On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 08:25 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Hey, that's very cool.

It's a cool idea and it got a good response from the crowd.

> Something I wanted us to try was the idea of "convergence days", where
> we'd publish a data file quietly which would say "on such and such a
> date, try to be as close to this as possible", specifying the position
> and parameters of the various effects / lights / features. That way,
> we'd have weeks of divergence, then a "rush to convergence" over say 5
> days, so on a particular day everyone's desktop looks the same again.

Well you know how gullible I am for making things for free ;-), here you
go your feature request has been granted:

http://doctormo.org/2010/09/04/whoa-wheres-it-going/

> I thought of using constellations (playing again with "light") as
> inspiration, so you could have a "convergence day" like this: 

The generate-plot.py script takes an svg input, so you dig out the svg
file and open in inkscape, enter the gen group (important!) and move
around each of the elements, rotate, skew your heart out until you have
your pattern. Save and then run through the plot generator and direct
output to plot.txt or some such.

$ generate-plot.py my-awesome-convergence.svg 2010-09-10 5 > plot.txt

That's from the 10th September converge for 5 days. It's progressive
convergence maths means if you execute it only on the last day it'll
move 100% of the way.

If this was packaged it'd go into a standard dir in usr share and be
updated by an updated package.

$ nudge-wallpaper.py wallpaper.svg plot.txt

Also code is published at
lp:~doctormo/doctormo-random/genetic-wallpapers and patches are welcome.

Best Regards, Martin Owens



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