Re: [Ayatana] hello everyone!
Hi! What sort of work do you want to do? On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:55 AM, balarka velidi wrote: > Hi all, > > This is Balarka, a new member joined to this ayatana team. I am very > excited about the work has been down over Ubuntu various releases, and > want to join the team and work my part in making it a big successful > release. > > Since, this is my first time in opensource development projects, I > sincerely request you folks out there to help me where to get started > and a bit kickoff to get going throughout the project. > > Cheers! > Balarka. > -- > This message was sent from Launchpad by > balarka velidi (https://launchpad.net/~balarka) > using the "Contact this team" link on the Ayatana Discussion team page > (https://launchpad.net/~ayatana). > For more information see > https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople > > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Messaging Menu and the MeMenu
Hi there ;) On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 08:15, Oscar RdG wrote: > Good morning! > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:55 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com < > frederik.nn...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> - "Contacts" and "Compose" in the Messaging Menu... having two >>> "outbox" entries lost in the middle looks and feels wrong... >>> and adds clutter >>> >> >> this is a great improvement, since it cleans up the menu a good deal. >> "Contacts" is completely useless in there to me, good you got rid of it. >> "Compose New Message" is also useless in there, since we are used to >> composing new messages in other places, e.g. the Me Menu, where we have a >> field solely for that purpose. >> good you removed that too. >> > > So, aren't you then assuming "inbox functionality" in the Messaging Menu, > and moving "outbox functionality" (the ability to compose new messages) into > the Me Menu? > :) > I see the Messaging Menu more like a proxy to conversations *and* messaging, the Me Menu would be more of a identity and status panel, representing Me, rather than communication. The status messages i can "compose" in the MeMenu hardly justify calling it an "outbox". In the Me Menu Spec¹, something called "Custom Status" is mentioned, which has never been implemented. Althought we have the broadcast field ATM all i wanna believe is that in fact i am seeing that "Custom Status" field, embedded, since i know that from all IM apps i ever used and i find it hard to understand otherwise. Such an IM status text is not a conversational message, it is a description of "Me", hence aka "status text". As long as the two menus are not merged, the only one meant for messaging is the Messaging Menu in my eyes. Trimming that one down to its semantic core is a good thing, because that would later on facilitate its integration into another menu, e.g. the Me Menu, that's why i liked what Conscious User did there.. ..not because it polarizes the two menus into IN and OUT. ¹ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Instant%20messaging%20statuses ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 692921] Re: Allow for the panel to be disabled (wishlist)
On 22/12/10 04:53, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 17:10 +0100, zekopeko wrote: > > >> I think that a decent solution for 11.04 would be to create a >> temporary workspace for the fullscreen app so that it shows in the >> Expo (Workspace switcher) mode but once the app is un-fullscreen-ed it >> would return to the workspace from which it originated (no fancy >> animation transitions). Alt-Tab-ing while the fullscreen app is >> focused would tab-between workspaces and not applications. If you >> alt-tab while a non-fullscreen applications is focused (so you can see >> the launcher and the panel) would tab between applications that are >> currently open and the fullscreen apps. > > they removed ALT+F2, so i'm not even sure they'll keep ALT+TAB. Alt-F2 is just not yet implemented, it's filed as a bug and will get fixed. Of course we'll retain Alt-TAB! > *Close, MaxVert, Fullscreen Mode* > in a recent thread, i suggested to add a button to the window > controls: fullscreen. This, because many users don't even know what > fullscreen mode is, except for in movie players.. they learn it on > youtube, where there is a more than obvious "fullscreen" button, and > start looking for such a button in totem, vlc etc.. The issue then is to figure out how to get OUT of fullscreen :-) The approach we are taking is reversible gestures, where a particular gesture gets you into a fullscreen situation, and reversing the gesture (I wave my hands furiously ;-)) gets you out. > *Floating Indicators* > One could think of single icons popping up upon transient events top > right corner of a fullscreen window, provided i'm not set to "do not > disturb". > But the visibility of single icons popping up above whatever content > is beneath them is low. > WingPanel is an excellent option here, it would only have to be > transparent, and it would have to know when it is above the content > area of an application in fullscreen mode. Yes, there are some interesting ideas in wingpanel, and I'd encourage experimentation and discussion here. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Fwd: Super Compiz Unity Mockup Idea!!!!
On 21/12/10 22:47, Carl Simpson wrote: > Isn't it still confusing that you have disabled window controls near > the menus for, and the name of, the active window? That tells me that > I can't maximise, minimise or close the active window. This is a > message that conflicts with that given by the ones in its own window > decorations. Yes - Martin's mockup doesn't reflect the plan or direction. The panel, if it show window controls, should ONLY show them for the maximised AND focused window. If you have a maximised app, and a normal window over it that has the focus, the panel should only show information for the focused app. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Messaging Menu and the MeMenu
> > How about getting rid of the section headings and showing instant > messaging items on top, inboxes with their service-icon as prefix > below!? That *does* help cleaning up, but then we need another way of opening the IM program when no new messages have arrived. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] What project does this bug affect?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/687635 I'm not sure if this is something that should be implemented in Nautilus, or if it should be built into Samba. Any thoughts? Chris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Fwd: Super Compiz Unity Mockup Idea!!!!
2010/12/22 Mark Shuttleworth > On 21/12/10 22:47, Carl Simpson wrote: > > Isn't it still confusing that you have disabled window controls near > > the menus for, and the name of, the active window? That tells me that > > I can't maximise, minimise or close the active window. This is a > > message that conflicts with that given by the ones in its own window > > decorations. > > Yes - Martin's mockup doesn't reflect the plan or direction. The panel, > if it show window controls, should ONLY show them for the maximised AND > focused window. If you have a maximised app, and a normal window over it > that has the focus, the panel should only show information for the > focused app. > > Mark > > Yes, that's the actual behavior and the less confusing; but less "natural".. think if we want to close, minimized or normalized windows maximized and unfocused (the same case on mockup), we have to click on it (focus) to enable windows controls and then close, minimized or normalized... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Ayatana for Frugalware
Hi, I'm Devil505, member of Frugalware Linux devel team http://frugalware.org Recently I've joined this mailing list because i'm very interested by the Ayatana project. Actually I'm trying to import Ayatana stuff into Frugalware especially indicators and unity. I've created a testing repository: http://ftp.frugalware.org/pub/other/people/devil505/ayatana/ I hope my work will help people who want to port Ayatana to linux distributions other than Ubuntu. http://wiki.frugalware.org/index.php/Ayatana_Project_Portage http://frugalware.org/~devil505/blog/?tag=ayatana Cheers :) -- Devil505 http://frugalware.org/~devil505/blog ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] media vs apps
Hi Jean, thanks for your thoughts on this! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 14:41, Jean Levasseur wrote: > 2010/12/21 Frederik Nnaji > > On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:56 +, Chris Wilson wrote: >> > Personally, if I were to click on a button labeled 'Photos and >> > Videos', I would expect to find those files there rather than editors, >> > etc. >> > > [...] 2 things: first, there are good content management software for both > music (rhythmbox, banshee) and photos (f-spot, shotwell) but none for > videos. For videos, there are just players as far as I know. > Jason, would you like to say something at this point? > I know banshee has a video library, and banshee being now the default music > library software in Ubuntu it might as well serve as the default video > player/manager in Ubuntu as well. Next, photo management software often > offers several ways to modify their content, on the contrary of the other > content management softwares that are just that: library management and > player. That might be a reason people get confused when they access > shotwell or f-spot: they think those are primarly photo editors rather than > photo managers. > yes, i think you're right. people want to read their email, so they click on "Email", or any other icon that makes them believe they will find email by touching it. Clicking is the next best thing to touching. If you click "Music", and you're confronted with a couple of different apps, then something is wrong. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 692921] Re: Allow for the panel to be disabled (wishlist)
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:35, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 22/12/10 04:53, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 17:10 +0100, zekopeko wrote: > > > I think that a decent solution for 11.04 would be to create a > temporary workspace for the fullscreen app so that it shows in the > Expo (Workspace switcher) mode but once the app is un-fullscreen-ed it > would return to the workspace from which it originated (no fancy > animation transitions). Alt-Tab-ing while the fullscreen app is > focused would tab-between workspaces and not applications. If you > alt-tab while a non-fullscreen applications is focused (so you can see > the launcher and the panel) would tab between applications that are > currently open and the fullscreen apps. > > > they removed ALT+F2, so i'm not even sure they'll keep ALT+TAB. > > > Alt-F2 is just not yet implemented, it's filed as a bug and will get fixed. > Of course we'll retain Alt-TAB! > oops, ok, i shoulda looked in launchpad first! thanks for the wake-up-call ;) *Close, MaxVert, Fullscreen Mode* > in a recent thread, i suggested to add a button to the window controls: > fullscreen. This, because many users don't even know what fullscreen mode > is, except for in movie players.. they learn it on youtube, where there is a > more than obvious "fullscreen" button, and start looking for such a button > in totem, vlc etc.. > > > The issue then is to figure out how to get OUT of fullscreen :-) > with F11 for keyboard, and with a client side control for mouse. All apps that i know of do it that way, e.g. OOo, Firefox, Chromium etc. > The approach we are taking is reversible gestures, where a particular > gesture gets you into a fullscreen situation, and reversing the gesture (I > wave my hands furiously ;-)) gets you out. > That's a scalable concept, the right direction, i believe. F11 to enable/disable Fullscreen Mode is reversible, but that's only Keyboard. Nevertheless, the implementation must happen inside the client, as far as i understand the logic and command hierarchy of this. A client e.g. that doesn't support full screen should never accept F11 in the first place! Another thing about client side Fullscreen Mode design is that every client will choose a different way to focus on content in Fullscreen mode. Fullscreen Mode is so much more than the name gives to us: it is actually the one mode, in which an application reduces its buttonry and chrome clutter to an absolute minimum to focus on the most essential functionality. In a movie player e.g. this would be the moving picture, no mouse, no buttons at all, no thing else. I call that "Theatre Mode". In a photo viewer it's pretty much the same. Apps will need to decide for themselves, how they would like to appear in Fullscreen Mode. I know Compiz can maximize every window to fill the screen, but that is not the same experience. "hide panels + remove window decoration + maximize" is not the same as entering an application-specific Fullscreen Mode. Now that this is established, we can safely assume that the clients will add their own reversible way of leaving Fullscreen Mode with via mouse. Especially so, because it might be convenient to exit fullscreen in one applications by clicking an overlay in the top right corner, in an other application it might be much more convenient to place that control into the middle of the screen. That's why picking reversible gestures for activating and deactivating Fullscreen Mode is not the DE's or the WM's issue, it is a design task for the respective clients. > *Floating Indicators* > One could think of single icons popping up upon transient events top right > corner of a fullscreen window, provided i'm not set to "do not disturb". > But the visibility of single icons popping up above whatever content is > beneath them is low. > WingPanel is an excellent option here, it would only have to be > transparent, and it would have to know when it is above the content area of > an application in fullscreen mode. > > > Yes, there are some interesting ideas in wingpanel, and I'd encourage > experimentation and discussion here. > WingPanel rocks, and i have gnome-panel on autohide bottom right, expand=FALSE, since i have wingpanel running. If only it were semi-transparent! I'd want to get rid of the clock, too. I can't help the feeling, the clock belongs somewhere else than in my main indicator interaction zone.. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Messaging Menu and the MeMenu
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:52, Conscious User wrote: > > > > > How about getting rid of the section headings and showing instant > > messaging items on top, inboxes with their service-icon as prefix > > below!? > > > That *does* help cleaning up, but then we need another way of > opening the IM program when no new messages have arrived. > do we? Isn't it the Contact List Window what we really want to see? Empathy is, btw, by default already part of Unity's dock, so i'm not worrying about opening main windows via indicators. good point tho, i'll keep it in mind for another while... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] media vs apps
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com < frederik.nn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jean, thanks for your thoughts on this! > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 14:41, Jean Levasseur wrote: > >> 2010/12/21 Frederik Nnaji >> >> On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:56 +, Chris Wilson wrote: >>> > Personally, if I were to click on a button labeled 'Photos and >>> > Videos', I would expect to find those files there rather than editors, >>> > etc. >>> >> >> [...] 2 things: first, there are good content management software for both >> music (rhythmbox, banshee) and photos (f-spot, shotwell) but none for >> videos. For videos, there are just players as far as I know. >> > > Jason, would you like to say something at this point? > Yes I do! Thanks, Frederik! For what it's worth, dmedia will shortly have nice video management. This is a preview of the HTML5 UI that James Raymond has been working on - http://cdn.novacut.com/dmedia0.2-preview/browser.html But more generally, I'm hoping dmedia can help get this important user data (and metadata) out of application-specific silos. This fits well with the overall Ayatana focus on the "space between applications". For example, I'd like to see cool social features integrated with dmedia, which would allow this social use in any context, not just in the context of a single application (Banshee, Shotwell, etc). I think the use case Frederick brought up is ripe with possibility. The problem I see with *only* relying on domain specific manager apps is when the "stuff" you're looking for spans multiple domains. For example, I think Zeitgeist has clearly demonstrated the value of an aggregate chronological view. And I think that view needs to be more than just a list of recently accessed media files... we need the metadata too. With rich metadata (like what dmedia stores), we can be much smarted about how and what we present in a chronological view. I think the content rather than application focus is a very exciting idea, Frederick. If you have ideas about specific metadata that would be needed for the use case you have in mind, I'd happily add it to dmedia. Plus, dmedia is a *distributed* media library. We can provide an aggregate view into the user's content and activity across *all* their devices, which is pretty cool, IMHO. This bug is probably the best explanation of the core distributed features, the metadata we will store to enable it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/dmedia/+bug/680467 > I know banshee has a video library, and banshee being now the default music >> library software in Ubuntu it might as well serve as the default video >> player/manager in Ubuntu as well. Next, photo management software often >> offers several ways to modify their content, on the contrary of the other >> content management softwares that are just that: library management and >> player. That might be a reason people get confused when they access >> shotwell or f-spot: they think those are primarly photo editors rather than >> photo managers. >> > > yes, i think you're right. people want to read their email, so they click > on "Email", or any other icon that makes them believe they will find email > by touching it. > Clicking is the next best thing to touching. > > If you click "Music", and you're confronted with a couple of different > apps, then something is wrong. > ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] [Bug 692921] Re: Allow for the panel to be disabled (wishlist)
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Saleel Velankar wrote: > I'd want to get rid of the clock, too. I can't help the feeling, the clock >> belongs somewhere else than in my main indicator interaction zone.. > > > I am inclined to agree with this. For a few of my important tasks like > cramming for an exam, or banging out a paper the night before its due, I > find the presence of the clock helpful/essential. but most of the other time > it just something that takes up space. Its a bit like those overly technical > conky scripts people run on their desktop coughing up information that is > never used. The solution for me has been this: http://fav.me/d34oqkg. The > panel with the digitalclock plasmoid is set to let windows cover it, when I > am not working on timecrucial stuff. I make windows go below it only when > its important. Furthermore its not in a corner because I do not want to > accidentally make it pop up via fitt's law, but close enough to the corner > so that I can throw my mouse down in the corner and then move left. > -- Saleel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
