Re: [Ayatana-dev] Searching for applications, keywords and synonyms
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen mikkel.kamst...@canonical.com wrote: I think this is a nice idea. The metadata for applications is definitely a scarce resource and anything more rich would help the users a lot. Thanks, Mikkel :) To kick it off I think it could be a good idea to simply Just Do It and write down an exhaustive list of keywords for the categories in http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry. Given that I can easily hack it into unity-place-applications at least as a proof of concept to begin with. And we can see how it works in practice. Oh, right! I actually did that first for once, then I forgot to link to it. Here's a quick table. It isn't tremendously useful, but going through it was helpful to get a feel for what we have to work with: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/categorykeywords/CategoryKeywords.html This isn't taking into account overlaps between categories, or related categories (where applications using additional categories sometimes have to use specific main categories), but being able to work out those kinks over time is pretty well the point. Here is that in a slightly more useful format: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/categorykeywords/CategoryKeywords.ini http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/categorykeywords/CategoryKeywords.pot I'm using ini there because translate-toolkit has ini2po, which generates a decent looking pot file. If necessary, maybe a script could turn it into something Unity likes. Are there any particular preferences? On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: MPT is worth talking to, as he will have good thoughts about how we can get a rich base of textual data for the search. Anything in the Dash applies pretty much directly to Ubuntu Software Centre too :-) so it's worth chatting to MPT and the developers of USC. Good idea. Thank you, Mark! Dylan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-dev Post to : ayatana-dev@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-dev More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Restart Required
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 08:23 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: On 10/09/10 12:15, Bilal Akhtar wrote: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 14:57, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: Done at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/634003 Fix available as well! Branches attached to bug report contain fix. Ted, what's the status of this? The fixes that are currently in the proposed branches use fixed color instead of symbolic names for the colors. For example, attention for the red color. Currently the symbolic color/icon work is not scheduled for the Natty cycle though I *really* hope that we can nail it for O. --Ted ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Seeking feedback on professional video import UX design
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:50 AM, frederik.nn...@gmail.com frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:14, Jason Gerard DeRose jder...@novacut.comwrote: Tara and I made a video showing off some of what dmedia 0.2 can do: http://vimeo.com/18287329 i saw that before i saw this mail.. the press :D so happy to see you guys are pulling this off, it's a great step forward. Glad you liked it, feel we're on the right track! Thanks for checking it out. i checked the Browse DB in Futon thingy, interesting to see all that. Is the field Title not implemented yet? I see it in the html browser preview, but i don't see it in the db. Or are you going to use tags in the db to store what is called Title in the html browser? A nice thing about CouchDB is it's schema-less, so we don't need to have empty place holder values. When the user hasn't given a title yet, we just leave off the title attribute entirely (and assume a default of null, or None in Python). What's missing is a view to allow us to search by title. Tags are tags as you would expect them to be. :) This is all very exciting to observe. Is a gtk-based browser planned? Yes, that almost landed in 0.2 but got pushed back to 0.3. We are using WebKit to do most of the UI, but will use all the modern Ayatana stuff like dbusmenu etc. So it will have nice native GTK integration. Thanks again! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] The Unity launcher and minimized windows
Minimize is really hide. It means keep this window alive, but get it out of my desktop view. The window is still in every sense part of the working set of windows, so it should show up in glorious technicolour during things like spread and alt-tab. Sam, would you make it so? It sounds like you're already on track ;-) Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Some ideas for the Software Center
I agree, we don't need pre-emptive downloading of packages without an explicit user request for installation. On 13/12/10 11:52, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Like apt-get, USC installs recommended items by default, though you can uncheck them in the Add-ons section if you want to. No doubt it's in your head already, but we could do a lot better with package recommendations than simply looking at the Recommends metadata. For example, if the user has python-dev installed, and installs libmysql directly rather than as a dependency, we could recommend the Python bindings and development libraries. I suspect a lot of this will require some server-side smarts but it's a fruitful area for us to be exploring. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Graceful degradation of Unity
On 13/12/10 17:17, Spike Burch wrote: What I would do, although this is duplicating effort in the long run, is write a 2d version of unity using EFL, just like they did with the old netbook interface That's what I would do too :-) For 11.04, the focus is on getting Unity-with-GL as good as we can. However, in time for the LTS, we will want a 2D experience which shares enough of the interactions that it doesn't require a second set of documentation. As Ryan Prior pointed out, Unity is unproven. We're confident in it - enough to commit to it for 11.04, and the design has been flattered with imitation elsewhere, so that's reassuring too :-). But having the existing Gnome 2 style panel-based fallback is fine in 11.04 because it provides a familiar environment for those who want it, and is stable and well trusted. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Why the launcher should be on the right
On 19/12/10 17:22, Mirek M. wrote: *The whole left side of the screen would be devoted to the current application* Right now, you get some system-related commands on the right of the top panel, application-related commands on the left, and some more system-related commands on the far left. Moving the launcher and the Ubuntu button to the right would put all the system-related commands on the right and all the app-related commands on the left, so neither the launcher nor the Ubuntu button gets in the way when working with a single application. One idea we try to preserve is the hierarchy of information, which says that (in left-to-right languages) organising structure should be on the left, and content on the right. In this case, the launcher is very much organising structure. *A hot corner wouldn't get in the way* Keeping application commands separate from system commands is especially important to workflow when you have areas that activate on hover (e.g. Ubuntu button). It is extremely annoying and distracting when you accidentally mouse over a hot cornerand have to wait a few seconds to get back to work. As the menu bar and window buttons are aligned left, and as most toolbars are also left-aligned, a hot corner on the right will be less likely to be accidentally triggered than a hot corner on the left. At the moment, the corner is overly sensitive because the launcher shows up for a few seconds if you go over the Ubuntu button. But in fact, it should actually require you to hit the corner. Fixing that should reduce the impact of this feeling. *The application would get the most focus* As most languages are read from left to right, our focus tends to start at the left side of the screen. If the goal of Unity is to maintain focus on a single task, it makes most sense to put the launcher somewhere where it doesn't distract from the application -- on the right. Well, when you are focused on an app, the launcher should be invisible. Balancing focus and awareness is a key design goal for us in Unity, hence the intellihiding approach. There are other things we can do to take this even further, but they'll have to wait for 11.10. *Tools would be easier to target* Most image editors, raster or vector, have a Tools sidebar on the left, which is very easy to target when it is at the edge of the screen, but very hard to target when there's a launcher at the left edge of the screen. Again, the app should generally get all the real estate, including the left edge, solving this issue (i.e. giving Fitt's Law friendly edges to the app). I hope that this is enough to at least consider moving the launcher to the right. Good points, well argued, but I'm afraid the balance remains in favour of the left edge for now. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Compatibility goals for Natty appmenu
On 31/12/10 11:02, Conscious User wrote: I'm curious with respect to the appmenu compatibility goals targeted for Natty. So far there are some important apps non-compatible with it: XUL apps [Open,Libre]Office Swing apps SWT apps MonoDevelop I know that XUL is being worked on, but I heard no news about the rest. I'm particularly interested in SWT compatibility as an Eclipse user. Each of these will need a bit of work from both folks working on Unity tech, and the projects / toolkits themselves. In the case of XUL, there are folks working on it from both Unity and Mozilla. We'll need someone to step up in each case, so if you know people in those communities, please get them aware of the issue and see if there's someone interested in being the counterpart, then put them in touch with Ted Gould or Cody Russell. I've filed a bug in LibreOffice, and it's received a little attention already. I'm sure it will be a popular issue, but getting a developer interested is the most important bit. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Indicator-Network
Apoorva posted the correct item, which is the desired design for the network indicator. We're currently implementing that, with Connection Manager as a backend. It's not ready for prime time, but chat to Kalle Valo if you're interested in helping out. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Windicators
On 10/12/10 06:52, Shane Fagan wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 12:04 +0530, Owais Lone wrote: Just wanted to check. Are Windicators targeted for Natty? How much work has been done? What if I wanted to play with it a little? No there was no talk about anything unless canonical have it going on it. I'd love to see it done, but it's not critical to getting Unity out there which is our mission for 11.04. So if you're interested: - look at the AppIndicator protocol / API's - chat with Mikkel on IRC, or Ted Gould, depending on your timezones - sketch out an API which essentially generalises AppIndicator, so an app can publish multiple window indicators on the dbus, each window indicator behaving just like an AppIndicator: it's an icon (which can change) and a menu (which can change) - we can arrange to patch Compiz to put the windicators in the window title bar or panel Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Compiz close-buttons on expose
For completeness on this thread, I'd like to say: - yes, we should show a close button on window previews in our spreads - it should only be the close button, none of the other window controls are relevant - it should only appear on mouse proximity (fallback - mouseover, prefer - fade-in with proximity like the notify-osd proximity effects) - it should be full-sized, not scaled, of course :-) Sam, is that sufficient guidance, or would a mockup help? Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Unity and tooltips
On 17/10/10 11:39, Vishnoo wrote: Is there a reason Unity's Launcher has tooltips for applications and places? [While Application icons could be considered as unrecognizable, Places icons are our custom icons so they should atleast be a bit recognizable.Still not sure how these tooltips are more important...] We give the name of the application because, if you don't know the icon, there's absolutely no way to know what it is otherwise. We dropped tooltips elsewhere because they were by-and-large trying to convey overly-detailed information. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Contributions?
On 17/11/10 20:30, Carsten Agger wrote: That may be inconvenient, as people here mostly speak Danish, a tiny language not understood outside our borders ... which means such videos will be less useful for people in most of the world. Well, multi-cultural testing is really valuable, as sometimes people react quite differently to an icon, or expect to find things in a very different place, based on cultural patterns. What really matters to *us* is your write-up of the findings. So for example, if you decided to test how easily a new user can move photos from their camera to facebook, you could write up the findings in English even if the video itself was folks chatting in Danish. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Windicators
Hey Mark, On the design of the windicators, how exactly do they fit? Im not really getting a good image in my head about how they will be fitting in since the area that they were supposed to be put into is going to be removed for maximized windows. --fagan On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 00:41 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: On 10/12/10 06:52, Shane Fagan wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 12:04 +0530, Owais Lone wrote: Just wanted to check. Are Windicators targeted for Natty? How much work has been done? What if I wanted to play with it a little? No there was no talk about anything unless canonical have it going on it. I'd love to see it done, but it's not critical to getting Unity out there which is our mission for 11.04. So if you're interested: - look at the AppIndicator protocol / API's - chat with Mikkel on IRC, or Ted Gould, depending on your timezones - sketch out an API which essentially generalises AppIndicator, so an app can publish multiple window indicators on the dbus, each window indicator behaving just like an AppIndicator: it's an icon (which can change) and a menu (which can change) - we can arrange to patch Compiz to put the windicators in the window title bar or panel Mark ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Evolution indicator
Hey, Since you agree can you put someone onto it for us. I would probably do it myself but it seems like a good bit of work and I have exams next month and I dont know if the evolution upstream would accept the patch. --fagan On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 00:03 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: On 21/12/10 15:08, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: Email notifications tell me when I need to have my email open. When I'm done, I close my email app (which should NOT stop me from getting email notifications). When I get another notification (which I don't right now, because the previous step broke them), I open my email app again (either by running it in the menu, or by selecting the message in the messaging menu). We're in complete agreement - the mail client should happily run in the background with no windows showing, the messaging menu can indicate the app is running, and clicking on entries in the messaging menu should create the window instantly. Mark ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Graceful degradation of Unity
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 13/12/10 17:17, Spike Burch wrote: What I would do, although this is duplicating effort in the long run, is write a 2d version of unity using EFL, just like they did with the old netbook interface That's what I would do too :-) For 11.04, the focus is on getting Unity-with-GL as good as we can. However, in time for the LTS, we will want a 2D experience which shares enough of the interactions that it doesn't require a second set of documentation. I doubt we'd be able to shove EFL into compiz (Carsten if you are reading this, please prove me wrong), but compiz has had a 2D fallback mode for a while now, and while it essentially turns it into an extremely dumb window manager, it has the capacity to be improved. I'm almost wondering whether setting the baseline on XRender and leaving out any kind of non-compositing is worth pursuing - we can achieve similar views with XRender compositing, although it won't be as fast. As Ryan Prior pointed out, Unity is unproven. We're confident in it - enough to commit to it for 11.04, and the design has been flattered with imitation elsewhere, so that's reassuring too :-). But having the existing Gnome 2 style panel-based fallback is fine in 11.04 because it provides a familiar environment for those who want it, and is stable and well trusted. Mark ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Sam Spilsbury ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Windicators
On 04/01/11 02:44, Shane Fagan wrote: On the design of the windicators, how exactly do they fit? Im not really getting a good image in my head about how they will be fitting in since the area that they were supposed to be put into is going to be removed for maximized windows. When maximised, they go into the panel, on the right, left of any app-indicators. [U OOO Application Name or Menu W W W A A A S S S S ] Where: - U = Ubuntu button - O = Window controls - W = Windicators for the maximised window - A = App indicators - S = System indicators Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
