Re: [Ayatana] A better chat experience
yeah, we considered "Recent Conversations" aka "Recent Contact" in some of the mockups from the Me&Messaging Menu brainstorming threads.. A very good example here might be Skype, which also has "Recent Conversations". According to the cosmic "Law of Correspondence", when i see and subsequently click something labelled "Chat", i would expect to find a most uncomplicated way of doing that, "chat" being a verb here. Since in most cases we want to respond to, resume or review a previously commenced conversation, "Recent Contact" would be useful, with "Contact" meaning a conversation, a filetransfer, a VoIP call or a personal subscription. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 18:32, Shane Fagan wrote: > Ok so ive been thinking a lot about chat and empathy/telepathy is > awesome but Shell is pulling away from unity in terms of how to best > use it. At the moment we have the default empathy so we have the > window and messaging menu system. > > While Shell has a special chat notifier that you can see the chat > history and type but still continue with what you are doing and type > on the fly. I think this is a lot faster, easier and better looking in > general. > yeah, Shell works well with Empathy, up to the point that Empathy becomes a background engine. The fact that Empathy's UI is the Chat UI we use in Unity is not so fresh, and your mail raises important questions. > > Im not saying build a new chat and notification system specifically > for empathy chat but a quick window in the right corner with the last > few messages or something and a text box would do and it would only > pop up if the user clicks on the messaging menu item for that chat. I > think it would be pretty nice to use. > > Thoughts? I think it would make a lot more sense to focus on messaging, especially in the Instant Messaging way you suggest, in the Messaging Menu, than to fill that menu with application launchers, for which purpose we already have the Unity launcher. I think clicking the envelope or whatever other symbolic icon will represent "Conversation" or "Message" in the future should present me with just that: conversations. Every other thing would be semantically misaligned. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] No one will ever use the upper-left Ubuntu button
It should also be mentioned that my proposal for the Ubuntu button (clck to recall, click to flip dock) would also be ideal for tablet/handheld devices as it would allow the user to recall and interact with the dock using only the thumb at the edge of the screen. Another thing worth mentioning is that using the mouse, as opposed to touch, the dock could be recalled immediately when hovering over the button, saving the extra click when using a mouse, so that to get to the "places" side of the dock only one click would be necessary. I'm liking this idea more and more, though I might be the only one! > An interesting suggestion - maybe a web-based mockup would help test it? > > I'm not sure how I would go about making a web-based mockup, and I only have access to a netbook at the moment. But I am willing to give it a go if it's not too involved and helps make my suggestion more clear, if you can explain to me how to go about it. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] window and workspace management in unity
Nice timing for you, Shane, but unfortunately no one else seems to care? OK, reading a bit here showed me that images show more than words, so here are two images from me, showing the "how to pick the right text document window?" problem: image 1: window spread in unity with 6 text documents: http://ubuntuone.com/p/gtO/ seriously, it is very hard to distinguish the several documents this way! image 2: quick and dirty mock up: window spread with title not zoomed: http://ubuntuone.com/p/gtQ/ that way, selecting windows would be easy. by the way, I first tried that with pdf Documents in evince, but showing more than 4 documents in a window spread always crashed unity/compiz for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/732048 regards, Bazon On 08.03.2011 08:24, Shane Fagan wrote: Nice timing I did a post on ubuntu planet about workspaces and had some opinions on it http://shanefagan.com/opening-applications-on-different-workspaces/ TBH I think we can do some nice stuff with workspaces if we think hard about it. The issue is we need to be very careful since they are already a bit un-needed so we need to think of useful good things to do with them or we need to remove them if we cant think of good ways to use them. --fagan On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Bazon wrote: hello, i'm new to this list. see (*) below why i came here. i have a few comments on window and workspace management in unity: 1. selecting windows when you have multiple windows of one application, clicking its icon in the launcher gets you an graphic overview of all windows of this application. selecting the right window can be quite hard like that: it's easy when you have several images, but when you have several text documents, it's really hard to distinguish them: everything is zoomed much smaller! selecting one such window was much easier by window-title in the task bar. so i propose: just don't zoom the window title. or maybe make a bubble for each window in which you can read the title. 2. workspace management i'm used to work on six workspaces and doing that, i don't like to be distracted by things going on on the other workspaces. in gnome or with cairo dock (as an option), that was easy: one just can see representations of the windows on the active workspace in the taskbar / in the dock. with unity, that seems to be not possible: the launcher shows representations of ALL windows on ALL workspaces. plus the launcher bar can get overfilled, so you have to scroll... (avoiding overfilled taskbar was my first motivation to use more than one workspace) so i propose: please add at least an option, so that one only sees the things on the momentary workspace. see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/683170 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/689733 3. launcher options for better window / workspace management, i would like to have some more right click options for the launcher: * open new window * close all * close all on this workspace * show all * show all on this workspace thank you for your attention. regards, Bazon (*) How I came here: this way: http://askubuntu.com/questions/9890/will-unity-be-more-customizable there was proposed to join this list. english is not my natural language, sorry for mistakes ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] window and workspace management in unity
Hey Bazon, On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Bazon wrote: > Nice timing for you, Shane, but unfortunately no one else seems to care? > Give them a chance they will comment soon id say plus Mark tends to do batch replies to this list so it may take a little while to get back but he is great for answering back and he does read everything. > > image 1: > window spread in unity with 6 text documents: > > http://ubuntuone.com/p/gtO/ > > seriously, it is very hard to distinguish the several documents this way! I agree on this and id say it would help if the name of the window was displayed under or over the image of the window in the spread workspace. Other than showing the name maybe a slight zoom on hover so you can see a bit more of a close up view of the window. > > image 2: > quick and dirty mock up: window spread with title not zoomed: > > http://ubuntuone.com/p/gtQ/ > > that way, selecting windows would be easy. > Looks a bit dirty id say they shouldnt use a window title bar id like if it was something a bit cleaner so just the title as a label rather than embedding a bar and it being really out of context. --faga ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] No one will ever use the upper-left Ubuntu button
Hello, I also agree. With Dash I can launch every application / recently used file / favorite folder, and I'm used to go to left top of screen for that menu as before on Gnome panel, so it's perfect for that. I'd like to be able, without loosing any another Unity functionality, to remove from dock the "Application", "Place", "Mounted Volumes" and "Trash" icons, and keep space to add more launchers for apps I use very often. Best regards, Xavier On 08/03/2011 21:37, Elias K Gardner wrote: For the dash when you hit the ubuntu button you can use it for anything +1 I find myself only using the ubuntu button as well because I can get to anything from it where as the other buttons are limited in their scope and I need to think more about which one to use. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] window and workspace management in unity
Hi there, On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Bazon wrote: > > seriously, it is very hard to distinguish the several documents this way! > I have to agree. I experience the same problem with terminal windows, as I usually have several of them opened at the same time... Cheers! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] No one will ever use the upper-left Ubuntu button
On 09/03/11 20:40, David wrote: > Hello again, > > http://unity.exemo.net/ A great start for testing, thanks! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] window and workspace management in unity
http://www.mail-archive.com/ayatana@lists.launchpad.net/msg04582.html Something similar -- Owais Lone Skype: owais.lone http://owaislone.org/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
