[Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
[CC-ing ayatana, if this is wrong just tell me] Today I tried empathy on my karmic testing system. Here are the scores. The last part IS VERY IMPORTANT please read it too. Don't thake my comments as angry, I'm just in a hurry. +1 The first time I launch it, it offers me to import accounts from pidgin. Very good -1 It crashes immediately later 0 I restart it and it does not crash, so that I can't report it -1 It does not allow me to open any kind of chat, it says something related to EMPATHY_IS_CONTACT(contact) failed +1 I close it, reopen, and it starts working. This should be 0, as it is already supposed to work, but I want to be nice on it. -1 I receive a notification that the IRC bot has recognised me. Please find a way to avoid this! Pidgin has a couple of plugins to handle the rough corners of IRC and at least identification MUST be done properly (it should not need any plugin in principle). THE IMPORTANT PART -1 It flashes the notification area. THIS IS FORBIDDEN. Update notifier can not do that. Why should empathy do that? This must be fixed. -1 It does NOT OPEN A POPUP on new messages. When the infamous update-notifier popup was decided, it was argued that pidgin already did that. I am a pop-up hater and the IM client is the only exception. In fact, for IM a pop-up may be desired. This is because if I start the IM client chances are I *want* to be disturbed and if a contact calls me I *want* to interact immediately. So ehm, I know it should not come from me but can we have the popup back? The last 2 behaviours SHOULD BE opt-in for those who love them, of course. TOTAL SCORE: -3 it can do better with very little effort :) Now testing it properly and will report bugs. Vincenzo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
2009/6/23 Andrew Sayers andrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org Nicolò Chieffo wrote: you should use git master before giving points ;) Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in Karmic? We've got two months left until the final decision on whether this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as Firefox or OpenOffice, so it would be nice to have more than a few weeks of testing by people who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. Yes, please. I am running it currently in both Jaunty and in Karmic alpha 2. Is there any point in doing so? I prefer Pidgin (festival plugin is hilarious). Anzan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 18:04 +0200, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: Sayersandrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote: who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. you are definitely right, anyway now empathy is actively developed, and the only way to test it is git Nah. I already wast enough resources to test karmic. If you want me to test empathy you have at least to provide a ppa whose code is guaranteed to land in ubuntu soon or later. Not to be polemic at all, I just want to pose a limit on how much energy I donate to ubuntu :) Vincenzo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 16:58 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote: Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in Karmic? We've got two months left until the final decision on whether this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as Firefox or OpenOffice, so it would be nice to have more than a few weeks of testing by people who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. You are being utopistic. The decision has already been taken. I would not bet a cent on the possiblity that empathy does not become default even if as broken as it is right now. This is why I ran to testing as early as possible. I would love if programs that we test during alphas could be declared not ready but I NEVER saw ubuntu going back. The only decision I saw going back was the re-introduction of kdvi in jaunty, which was then removed at a very late time before release without leaving time to test the feature addition to okular that *supposedly* would have let it replace kdvi. From that date, I learned not to hope in such an obvious thing as let's try it, as we are testers, and then decide. If you try it, you buy it. If someone wants to prove me wrong, a good way would be to fix a set of target features and bugs for empathy and guarantee to us all that if such a minimum quality standard is not met then empathy will be dropped for karmic. Please don't pollute the list by posting angry replies to this. You are free to do so, but first, read: I love ubuntu and am doing as much as I can for it. Above I am a bit polemic but I think I am telling the truth. If I am wrong, glad to be corrected and to note the eventual information sources that I do not know right now. Vincenzo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
2009/6/23 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Andrew Sayersandrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote: who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. you are definitely right, anyway now empathy is actively developed, and the only way to test it is git -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Hello, There is an PPA at https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa. Unfortunately it gives you 2.27.2, instead of the latest 2.27.3. It is a start, though, and I expect 2.27.3 to be uploaded soon. Kind regards, -- Sense Hofstede http://qense.nl/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
2009/6/23 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: as I was saying 2.27.3 is already old. You need to be synchronized to a current git version of empathy, weather it is self compiled or from an external PPA. Anyway most problems are not in empathy, but somewhere in telepathy protocol managers (for instance the current ubuntu version of telepathy-butterfly does not work) Ah, OK, then I misunderstood you. Maybe GNOME or Ubuntu should provide Jhbuild scripts for all GNOME-supported projects to make using the latest commit from GIT easier. Regards, -- Sense Hofstede http://qense.nl/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 19:00 +0200, Sense Hofstede wrote: Hello, There is an PPA at https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa. Unfortunately it gives you 2.27.2, instead of the latest 2.27.3. It is a start, though, and I expect 2.27.3 to be uploaded soon. Very kind of you. Will test that one, but is it the code that will land in ubuntu more or less? Vincenzo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 19:13 +0200, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: as I was saying 2.27.3 is already old. You need to be synchronized to a current git version of empathy, weather it is self compiled or from an external PPA. ah, ok so I will not test the PPA :) Didn't check the version number. Anyway most problems are not in empathy, but somewhere in telepathy protocol managers (for instance the current ubuntu version of telepathy-butterfly does not work) Also for this reason a ppa would be very comfortable. Vincenzo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
