[Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

Allow me to comment on the current state of the Me Menu:
As most of us are probably already aware of, Contact List offers the
possibility to change your presence setting from e.g. Available to
Away or Busy.
The Me Menu duplicates this function, yet it does not allow setting a
custom presence message as Contact List does. Instead, Me Menu offers
an unlabelled text input field (provided Gwibber is running), which
posts directly to your configured broadcast accounts..
Is this logical?

Me Menu from the top down:
* face - name
  i click this and it takes me to "About Me", which would be a perfect
place for all the configuration links that are currently eating up
useful UI space on the bottom of the Me Menu

* presence settings
  available, away, busy, invisible, offline
  now we could work on the wording here.. offline is ambiguous for
example, perhaps call that one "sign out" or "disable chat" or
something..
 BRING THE COLORS BACK! we need some Traffic Light colors here! red is
busy or DnD, green is online. This is very important IMO and keeps the
user well informed, no need to go all monochrome on these, unless chat
is disabled.

* account settins
 the account settings basically are not confusing, if only they cold
be contained within one notebook.
Currently, we have 3 links to 3 different configuration tools for
accounts, this doesn't make sense.

ideas, thoughts, love?

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[David Hamm]

+love

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[James Putt]

> * presence settings
>  available, away, busy, invisible, offline
>  now we could work on the wording here.. offline is ambiguous for
> example, perhaps call that one "sign out" or "disable chat" or
> something..
>  BRING THE COLORS BACK! we need some Traffic Light colors here! red is
> busy or DnD, green is online. This is very important IMO and keeps the
> user well informed, no need to go all monochrome on these, unless chat
> is disabled.

Making the "offline" string more explicitly related to chat would be a
great tweak. Colour in the icons would be nice but I don't think this
would be reflected in the indicator heading, which means having an
extra layer of understanding to match symbolic to colour-dependent
icons?

Removing white from the (dark) offline symbolic icon would help
differentiate it more from the online related symbols.

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

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Frederik Nnaji wrote on 22/05/10 14:37:
> 
> Allow me to comment on the current state of the Me Menu:
>...
> * face - name
>   i click this and it takes me to "About Me", which would be a perfect
> place for all the configuration links that are currently eating up
> useful UI space on the bottom of the Me Menu

Interesting idea.

> * presence settings
>   available, away, busy, invisible, offline
>   now we could work on the wording here.. offline is ambiguous for
> example, perhaps call that one "sign out" or "disable chat" or
> something..
>  BRING THE COLORS BACK! we need some Traffic Light colors here! red is
> busy or DnD, green is online. This is very important IMO and keeps the
> user well informed, no need to go all monochrome on these, unless chat
> is disabled.
>...

"Me menu and Empathy menu IM status icons are inconsistent"
.

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

thx MPT, "your attention to detail is appreciated" :D

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 13:14, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:

> Frederik Nnaji wrote on 22/05/10 14:37:
> >
> > Allow me to comment on the current state of the Me Menu:
> >...
> > * face - name
> >   i click this and it takes me to "About Me", which would be a perfect
> > place for all the configuration links that are currently eating up
> > useful UI space on the bottom of the Me Menu
>
> Interesting idea.
>

yes, and it remains interesting with the advent of the new account setup
dialog[1]:
we might want to consider if we want to

* afford available social communication services in account setup dialog
-> in Ubuntu these would include:
*   facebook*
*   google* selectable subservices: Talk (IM), Buzz (broadcast), Mail
*   s tatus.net*
*   twitter*
**   ... (whatever the installed messaging menu apps afford)

loving the new avatar picker as in the proposed account wizard [2] ..


> > * presence settings
> >   available, away, busy, invisible, offline
> >   now we could work on the wording here.. offline is ambiguous for
> > example, perhaps call that one "sign out" or "disable chat" or
> > something..
> >  BRING THE COLORS BACK! we need some Traffic Light colors here! red is
> > busy or DnD, green is online. This is very important IMO and keeps the
> > user well informed, no need to go all monochrome on these, unless chat
> > is disabled.
>
>...
>
> "Me menu and Empathy menu IM status icons are inconsistent"
> 


yeah, thanks ;)
like stated above, we need Traffic Light Scheme colors for presence status
in the MeMenu, unless [user] is not signed in to any IM service:
* use meaningful color scheme to indicate presence status

the current layout is not helping me with IM, it confuses me:
[image: menu_001_S8pWlB.png]


Something else i would like to bring forward again:
"offline" is ambiguous.
Remains the question whether or not to
* add an ON/OFF button like in NetworkSettings [3], labelled "Chat"

presence statuses:
there are three useful presence settings i can think of:
* present (available)
* away (not available, not present)
* busy (do not disturb)

i see no reason to include "invisible".
One could keep that option hidden in gconf or somewhere else.
I envision three rectangular Traffic Light bulbs, side by side as
buttons/indicators in the MeMenu:
Green, Yellow, Red

I also see no reason to continue duplicating information back and forth
between Contact List and MeMenu, just pick one place for presence status and
leave it there. I'm all for MeMenu. Contact List neither deserves to house
presence status setting/manipulation, nor a title bar. In fact, Contact List
should be a part of the MeMenu, perhaps with a limited number of entries and
contact pinning enabled, as in Cardapio. Thank you ;)



[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UserAccountDialog
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot-Photo-Gallery.png
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkSettings ( mockup
here)
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

a slight correction on my idea:

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 14:19, Frederik Nnaji wrote:

> presence statuses:
>

These are the useful generic presence settings i can think of:
a) detect (active/available/idle/away)
b) do not disturb
>
> c) public status for IM, on demand also syncing to Broadcast (not by
default, for privacy reasons)
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

Hi James,

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:02, James Putt  wrote:

> > * presence settings
> >  available, away, busy, invisible, offline
> >  now we could work on the wording here.. offline is ambiguous for
> > example, perhaps call that one "sign out" or "disable chat" or
> > something..
> >  BRING THE COLORS BACK! we need some Traffic Light colors here! red is
> > busy or DnD, green is online. This is very important IMO and keeps the
> > user well informed, no need to go all monochrome on these, unless chat
> > is disabled.
>
> Making the "offline" string more explicitly related to chat would be a
> great tweak. Colour in the icons would be nice but I don't think this
> would be reflected in the indicator heading, which means having an
> extra layer of understanding to match symbolic to colour-dependent
> icons?
>

I think we have a clear semantic map for red, green and yellow concerning
the user's presence status.
Approaching the goal of designing a system wide DoNotDisturb mode, this only
adds to it. Symbols are nice, shapes convey a lot, this is something we want
to use color for!

IM active or inactive is better represented with an on/off switch, i suggest
redesign the Me Menu more confidently, instead of duplicating the design
errors from Contact List.
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[James Putt]

On 20 June 2010 02:31, Frederik Nnaji  wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:02, James Putt  wrote:
>>
>> > * presence settings
>> >  available, away, busy, invisible, offline
>> >  now we could work on the wording here.. offline is ambiguous for
>> > example, perhaps call that one "sign out" or "disable chat" or
>> > something..
>> >  BRING THE COLORS BACK! we need some Traffic Light colors here! red is
>> > busy or DnD, green is online. This is very important IMO and keeps the
>> > user well informed, no need to go all monochrome on these, unless chat
>> > is disabled.
>>
>> Making the "offline" string more explicitly related to chat would be a
>> great tweak. Colour in the icons would be nice but I don't think this
>> would be reflected in the indicator heading, which means having an
>> extra layer of understanding to match symbolic to colour-dependent
>> icons?
>
> I think we have a clear semantic map for red, green and yellow concerning
> the user's presence status.
> Approaching the goal of designing a system wide DoNotDisturb mode, this only
> adds to it. Symbols are nice, shapes convey a lot, this is something we want
> to use color for!
> IM active or inactive is better represented with an on/off switch, i suggest
> redesign the Me Menu more confidently, instead of duplicating the design
> errors from Contact List.

Hi Fred,

I agree colour is significant. I was considering that the top menu by
convention is monochromatic with certain colours having a particular
meaning, and how having different icons in the drop down menu to the
icons representing the menu would play out.

Whether colours come or not, I'd like to suggest some refinements for
the existing (lucid) set.

Something that confuses me is the offline icon's similarity to the
"i'm visible" states' icons. Icons for available, away and busy are
all a variation of a filled speech bubble with a symbol (none, arrow
and dash), which I'd say is a good pattern until offline joins the
fray (filled bubble with a cross). I'd suggest the current icon used
for invisible (the dull speech bubble) would be better suited to
offline, and a bubble with a dashed outline and no fill to represent
invisible.

My other gripe is that the filled speech bubble is quite heavy
compared to the elegant power symbol and surrounding text. Maybe
basing the icons on the outline of a bubble may be worth a test?

Agree/disagree?

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:42, James Putt  wrote:

> Whether colours come or not, I'd like to suggest some refinements for
> the existing (lucid) set.
>

i'm curious..


> Something that confuses me is the offline icon's similarity to the
> "i'm visible" states' icons.


thank you.
the problem i have with it is that it is bold-faced, which indicates
activity, ON or "open".
..When it is clear enough that clicking it doesn't open or activate anything
whatsoever:
i still have to move to the other side of indicator date time to the
messaging menu, in order to "activate" chat.


> I'd suggest the current icon used for invisible (the dull speech bubble)
> would be better suited to
> offline, and a bubble with a dashed outline and no fill to represent
> invisible.
>

Nice! Much more suitable visual metaphors.
Perhaps you may want to contribute these to the icon metaphor project here:
[1] 
Towards the bottom of the page you'll find the section "Status", containing
the current metaphors for "user-away" etc. - there is none for
"user-invisible".

Comparing your words with the table on that page and the concept of a DE
relevant DnD mode, i think it is easy to conclude that the icon language we
will eventually use does not solely represent IM status, but also real
presence status for all the local appliances thereof.

Meaning: more generic symbols, perhaps rather like in those in the Icon
Metaphor project, rather than IM-specific speech bubbles.

Honestly, circle, square, color and the absense of color are semantically
sufficient to express all states we need to map. To map it explicitly:
circle = ON
green = available
yellow = away from keyboard
red = do not disturb
dashed stroke = invisible   // like this, James?
square > OFF


> My other gripe is that the filled speech bubble is quite heavy
> compared to the elegant power symbol and surrounding text. Maybe
> basing the icons on the outline of a bubble may be worth a test?
>
> Agree/disagree?
>

yeah, absolutely. Especially the bubble doesn't convey the full meaning of
AVAILABLE, AWAY or DO NOT DISTURB. These values are not IM specific, they
have system-wide relevance, let us not forget the notification system, power
management and other stuff that could be interested in that information.


¹ http://tango.freedesktop.org/Icon_Metaphors
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Mark Shuttleworth]

On 21/06/10 10:42, James Putt wrote:
> I agree colour is significant. I was considering that the top menu by
> convention is monochromatic with certain colours having a particular
> meaning, and how having different icons in the drop down menu to the
> icons representing the menu would play out.

In order to avoid the panel going gaudy, and to *keep* colour
significant, we should only use colour for "off-nominal and exceptional"
situations. So we need to think carefully about whether being offline is
an "alert" condition or not. I don't really think it is.

Mark


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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:46, Mark Shuttleworth  wrote:

>  On 21/06/10 10:42, James Putt wrote:
>
> I agree colour is significant. I was considering that the top menu by
> convention is monochromatic with certain colours having a particular
> meaning, and how having different icons in the drop down menu to the icons
> representing the menu would play out.
>
>
> In order to avoid the panel going gaudy, and to *keep* colour significant,
> we should only use colour for "off-nominal and exceptional" situations.
>

yes one can indicate presence status without color, see here:
http://tango.freedesktop.org/Icon_Metaphors
yet the first thing is to replace the bubbles in the MeMenu with symbolic
icons that represent not solely chat.


> So we need to think carefully about whether being offline is an "alert"
> condition or not. I don't really think it is.
>

Online/offline status doesn't belong into the Me Menu.

The statuses the MeMenu wants to indicate, IIRC, are presence status and
sign-in status of social services, not online status.

Offline/Online belongs somewhere else.
Martin Owens registered a blueprint for this last year, you can find it
here:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-online-status
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[James Putt]

On 24 June 2010 06:07, Frederik Nnaji  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:46, Mark Shuttleworth  wrote:
>>
>> On 21/06/10 10:42, James Putt wrote:
>>
>> I agree colour is significant. I was considering that the top menu by
>> convention is monochromatic with certain colours having a particular
>> meaning, and how having different icons in the drop down menu to the icons
>> representing the menu would play out.
>>
>> In order to avoid the panel going gaudy, and to keep colour significant,
>> we should only use colour for "off-nominal and exceptional" situations.
>
> yes one can indicate presence status without color, see here:
> http://tango.freedesktop.org/Icon_Metaphors
> yet the first thing is to replace the bubbles in the MeMenu with symbolic
> icons that represent not solely chat.
>
>>
>> So we need to think carefully about whether being offline is an "alert"
>> condition or not. I don't really think it is.

Neither do I :)

>
> Online/offline status doesn't belong into the Me Menu.
>
> The statuses the MeMenu wants to indicate, IIRC, are presence status and
> sign-in status of social services, not online status.

So if my sign-in status is "i'm not signed in", how would the MeMenu's
status convey this?

>
> Offline/Online belongs somewhere else.
> Martin Owens registered a blueprint for this last year, you can find it
> here:
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-online-status
>

That blueprint is about network connectivity, not social service
connectivity... I agree that is a separate concern from the MeMenu.
Instead of saying "offline" maybe I'll stick to "signed out".

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[James Putt]

On 22 June 2010 04:08, Frederik Nnaji  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:42, James Putt  wrote:
>>
>> Whether colours come or not, I'd like to suggest some refinements for
>> the existing (lucid) set.
>
> i'm curious..
>
>>
>> Something that confuses me is the offline icon's similarity to the
>> "i'm visible" states' icons.
>
> thank you.
> the problem i have with it is that it is bold-faced, which indicates
> activity, ON or "open".

Yes that's my reaction to it too. Something like "woah hey I didn't
sign in there.. oh.. that's offline.."

> ..When it is clear enough that clicking it doesn't open or activate anything
> whatsoever:
> i still have to move to the other side of indicator date time to the
> messaging menu, in order to "activate" chat.

IIRC the me-menu will be controlling availability/status directly in maverick

>
>>
>> I'd suggest the current icon used for invisible (the dull speech bubble)
>> would be better suited to
>> offline, and a bubble with a dashed outline and no fill to represent
>> invisible.
>
> Nice! Much more suitable visual metaphors.
> Perhaps you may want to contribute these to the icon metaphor project here:
> [1]
> Towards the bottom of the page you'll find the section "Status", containing
> the current metaphors for "user-away" etc. - there is none for
> "user-invisible".
> Comparing your words with the table on that page and the concept of a DE
> relevant DnD mode, i think it is easy to conclude that the icon language we
> will eventually use does not solely represent IM status, but also real
> presence status for all the local appliances thereof.
> Meaning: more generic symbols, perhaps rather like in those in the Icon
> Metaphor project, rather than IM-specific speech bubbles.
> Honestly, circle, square, color and the absense of color are semantically
> sufficient to express all states we need to map. To map it explicitly:
> circle = ON
> green = available
> yellow = away from keyboard
> red = do not disturb
> dashed stroke = invisible   // like this, James?
> square > OFF
>
>>
>> My other gripe is that the filled speech bubble is quite heavy
>> compared to the elegant power symbol and surrounding text. Maybe
>> basing the icons on the outline of a bubble may be worth a test?
>>
>> Agree/disagree?
>
> yeah, absolutely. Especially the bubble doesn't convey the full meaning of
> AVAILABLE, AWAY or DO NOT DISTURB. These values are not IM specific, they
> have system-wide relevance, let us not forget the notification system, power
> management and other stuff that could be interested in that information.
>
> ¹ http://tango.freedesktop.org/Icon_Metaphors

Heh I'll provide a picture and you might decide you disagree with me..
I'd quite like MeMenu statuses to stay related specifically to
presence/availability.

The attached picture is what I was thinking. In the menu itself, I'd
only have Available, Busy and Hidden as choosable statuses. Away would
happen automatically after a period of non-activity (a la google talk)
using the symbol I labelled as idle. Signed out would also be
choosable in the same list, unless there was another method to
disconnect (perhaps using the toggles featured in the new network menu
spec, or the account items).

A system-wide do not disturb would be neat, but I no longer think it
should be affected through my presence status. Rather, doing something
such as watching a movie in full screen may set my presence/status to
busy and hush non-urgent notifications.
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

Hi James, thanks for your mockup ;) i like!


On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 15:13, James Putt  wrote:

>
> Heh I'll provide a picture and you might decide you disagree with me..
>

i made a mockup with similar thoughts in this thread here:
https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg02977.html
we're pretty much on the same page, i suppose..

The two things i don't feel are
* the speech bubble metaphor
* the "idle" icon
Im not sure that the speech bubble metaphor is appropriate to represent
Presence, since Presence is not only about IM(which the speech bubble
metaphor stands for), but also about the local notification system and any
other service that would like to adapt its behaviour to my state of
Presence.
About the idle thing i can't say much, apart from that i don't see the
purpose of that icon yet...
Perhaps you can explain its purpose a bit?

I'd quite like MeMenu statuses to stay related specifically to
> presence/availability.
>

Me Menu will be about presence if i read the specs correctly.. yes.
Presence and Availability are being used synonymous in most of the
conversation here, as far as this topic is concerned. As a matter of fact,
"Do Not Disturb" is one of the states "Presence" can have.


> The attached picture is what I was thinking. In the menu itself, I'd
> only have Available, Busy and Hidden as choosable statuses.


yes, i'm with you on this. Available and Busy as radio buttons, hidden
perhaps as a checkbox.
At some point i would like to get rid of "hidden" entirely, it has no
sensible purpose.
There should rather be a way of selecting, who can see you, some kind of
"private mode".


> Away would
> happen automatically after a period of non-activity (a la google talk)
> using the symbol I labelled as idle. Signed out would also be
> choosable in the same list, unless there was another method to
> disconnect (perhaps using the toggles featured in the new network menu
> spec, or the account items).
>

We have a social menu with Me Menu, why should any social stuff now be
handled in Networking?


>
> A system-wide do not disturb would be neat, but I no longer think it
> should be affected through my presence status. Rather, doing something
> such as watching a movie in full screen may set my presence/status to
> busy and hush non-urgent notifications.
>

We had a lot of discussion about this.. DnD is not even drafted, even though
it has been on a Todo list for a few releases now..

You can't reject calls and everything, just because an app went fullscreen.
Imagine you're on a Netbook and you just want to show your friend some short
movie.. while showing your friend the short movie in fullscreen (10" is
really small!), you would miss calls and messages, due to the automatically
activated DnD mode.. not so nice :P

Busy aka DnD is something you want explicitly activated, with a rightfully
bold button somewhere to do that.
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Mark Shuttleworth]

On 24/06/10 13:08, James Putt wrote:
>>> So we need to think carefully about whether being offline is an "alert"
>>> condition or not. I don't really think it is.
>>>   
> Neither do I :)
>   

I think an error-based-offline is an alert condition. In other words, if
you set yourself to be Available, and the network disconnects or the
server kicks you off, THEN it might be worth putting a red glow or other
highlight / feature to draw attention to being offline.

Mark



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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Conscious User]

> I think an error-based-offline is an alert condition. In other words, if
> you set yourself to be Available, and the network disconnects or the
> server kicks you off, THEN it might be worth putting a red glow or other
> highlight / feature to draw attention to being offline.

Come to think of it, the concept of "offline" is indeed ambiguous.

Without even going into the color discussion, there should be
different icons for "offline because you want to" and "offline
because something happened".



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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Conscious User]

Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 21:59 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth a écrit :
> On 23/06/10 14:37, Conscious User wrote:
> > If I understood correctly, James was suggesting *keeping* the panel
> > monochromatic
> > but giving colors to the MeMenu items. It makes sense: the colors in
> > this case are not
> > for calling attention, but for helping you to find the desired option
> > faster.
> 
> ... but whichever option you choose should then be reflected in the menu.

I agree, but "reflected" does not necessarily imply "perfectly copied".

The colors would be something *extra*, not a contradiction.



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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Frederik Nnaji]

Hi Conscious ;)

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 19:04, Conscious User  wrote:

>
> > I think an error-based-offline is an alert condition. In other words, if
> > you set yourself to be Available, and the network disconnects or the
> > server kicks you off, THEN it might be worth putting a red glow or other
> > highlight / feature to draw attention to being offline.
>
> Come to think of it, the concept of "offline" is indeed ambiguous.
>
> Without even going into the color discussion, there should be
> different icons for "offline because you want to" and "offline
> because something happened".
>

yeah, "offline" is ambiguous.
The term belongs into networking and has nothing to do with the MeMenu's
representation of Availability status.
Availability is "Available", "Busy/DoNotDisturb", "Away" and the property
"Invisible". You can be signed out or signed in, "online" and "offline" are
incorrect descriptors that originate in slang rather than proper terms for
what we are discussing. Using these words in order to describe Availability
states would inevitably lead to confusion, since they are reserved
expressions that have something to do with whether or not a system is ready
to communicate via the www.
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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[James Putt]

On 28 June 2010 09:10, Conscious User  wrote:
>
> Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 à 21:59 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth a écrit :
>> On 23/06/10 14:37, Conscious User wrote:
>> > If I understood correctly, James was suggesting *keeping* the panel
>> > monochromatic
>> > but giving colors to the MeMenu items. It makes sense: the colors in
>> > this case are not
>> > for calling attention, but for helping you to find the desired option
>> > faster.
>>
>> ... but whichever option you choose should then be reflected in the menu.
>
> I agree, but "reflected" does not necessarily imply "perfectly copied".
>
> The colors would be something *extra*, not a contradiction.
>

Actually I was suggesting we *don't* use different icons for the
MeMenu title and menu items. While colour would be useful as it's used
elsewhere (eg Empathy client) it conflicts with the specific meaning
colour has in the menu bar. And using mixed monochromatic/colour icons
for the menu's title/items adds another layer of understanding that
needs to be learned. Consistency is great.

This is how Lucid already looks. Perhaps a more interesting question
than which icons should be used in the MeMenu is which icons should be
used in Empathy.

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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[Conscious User]

> Actually I was suggesting we *don't* use different icons for the
> MeMenu title and menu items. While colour would be useful as it's used
> elsewhere (eg Empathy client) it conflicts with the specific meaning
> colour has in the menu bar. And using mixed monochromatic/colour icons
> for the menu's title/items adds another layer of understanding that
> needs to be learned. Consistency is great.

Whoops. My bad.



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Re: [Ayatana] Me Menu - Review

[James Putt]

On 30 June 2010 12:04, Conscious User  wrote:
>
>> Actually I was suggesting we *don't* use different icons for the
>> MeMenu title and menu items. While colour would be useful as it's used
>> elsewhere (eg Empathy client) it conflicts with the specific meaning
>> colour has in the menu bar. And using mixed monochromatic/colour icons
>> for the menu's title/items adds another layer of understanding that
>> needs to be learned. Consistency is great.
>
> Whoops. My bad.
>

Heh all good. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it :)

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