Re: [Ayatana] Notification in fullscreen apps
Hate to dig up this old thread. But it seems that a decision was either not taken/not announced. So what was the final decision taken on the issue of notifications in fullscreen apps. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Notification in fullscreen apps
Op maandag 06-07-2009 om 10:25 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Charlie Kravetz: However, there should also be easy ways to change fonts and colors of notifications. Visual impairments can make it difficult/impossible to see the text. This is not a design team decision they should be making, but user decisions when necessary. The fewer choices we allow, the more difficult we make Ubuntu to use by all people. We have pretty much told users if you want accessibility, go somewhere else. We don't really think you need choices here. I have pointed that out before. My experience with this is an employee at my previous job (I had to replace her PC) who a.o. needed a screen magnifier and a low-contrast theme (for Windows). Ubuntu + GNOME has a low-contrast theme in gnome-theme-extras, which isn't installed by default though (a screen magnifier is). She couldn't read (or maybe only with extreme difficulty) anything that was white on black or black on white or anything else that has a high contrast. She explained that to her white is what to me would be like looking into a spotlight from nearby and then trying to identify what's next to the spotlight (or something like that). IIRC the theme she prefered was lighter blue on darker blue (where the color might or might not be relevant, I don't know). -- Jan Claeys ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] Notification in fullscreen apps
I recently read the karmic-notify-osd proposal and it has a section for what is to done when applications are fullscreen, it currently states that non-critical bubbles must be suppressed. Are notifications from pidgin/empathy considered critical or non-critical? I think that the right way of dealing with fullscreen applications is to not suppress notifications by default. instead providing a global do-not-disturb mode is more useful as whatever we do we may never guess the intentions of the user. Eg.1. Say i am waiting for a IM from my friend, and while waiting i decide to watch a movie. Then if by default i don't get notified while i am watching the movie in fullscreen and the movie goes on for 2 hours, then this is undesirable. Also IMs are meant to be acted upon instantly. With email this gets more complicated. Some people with some emails want to reply immediately and would like to be notified. Some people get 100's of email and possibly reply only once a day to emails. 2. I set a reminder in evolution for an event to occur after 1 hour and watch some documentary. I certainly dont want to miss the reminder. 3.I might be watching a movie while i wait for a torrent to finish downloading. In this case notification for loss of net connection is important,but in other cases it might not be. So i suggest guessing what notifications user wants or doesn't want in fullscreen is not really possible. Hence by *default* they must be * displayed* in fullscreen and a *do-not-disturb mode along with the system indicator+message indicator *should be a option to be set. What do others think on this? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] Notification in fullscreen apps
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:15:33 +0530 Praveen tgpravee...@gmail.com wrote: I recently read the karmic-notify-osd proposal and it has a section for what is to done when applications are fullscreen, it currently states that non-critical bubbles must be suppressed. Are notifications from pidgin/empathy considered critical or non-critical? I think that the right way of dealing with fullscreen applications is to not suppress notifications by default. instead providing a global do-not-disturb mode is more useful as whatever we do we may never guess the intentions of the user. Eg.1. Say i am waiting for a IM from my friend, and while waiting i decide to watch a movie. Then if by default i don't get notified while i am watching the movie in fullscreen and the movie goes on for 2 hours, then this is undesirable. Also IMs are meant to be acted upon instantly. With email this gets more complicated. Some people with some emails want to reply immediately and would like to be notified. Some people get 100's of email and possibly reply only once a day to emails. 2. I set a reminder in evolution for an event to occur after 1 hour and watch some documentary. I certainly dont want to miss the reminder. 3.I might be watching a movie while i wait for a torrent to finish downloading. In this case notification for loss of net connection is important,but in other cases it might not be. So i suggest guessing what notifications user wants or doesn't want in fullscreen is not really possible. Hence by *default* they must be * displayed* in fullscreen and a *do-not-disturb mode along with the system indicator+message indicator *should be a option to be set. What do others think on this? I think the option to display or turn off should always be present. However, there should also be easy ways to change fonts and colors of notifications. Visual impairments can make it difficult/impossible to see the text. This is not a design team decision they should be making, but user decisions when necessary. The fewer choices we allow, the more difficult we make Ubuntu to use by all people. We have pretty much told users if you want accessibility, go somewhere else. We don't really think you need choices here. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
