Re: [Ayatana] Notifications are annoying when typing in the upper right corner of a window

2009-06-03 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Steve Dodier wrote:
 I dont think we'd gain much by trying to guess the behaviour of the
 user, because it requires being able to imagine absolutely any
 activity / behaviour (s)he can have. My HMI courses were poor but i've
 been warned that it wasnt an feasible task, back then. We would always
 forget an usecase and disturb someone who's focusing on his work.

 That's why i think it would be wise to only delay notifications when
 it is obvious that the user needs his(her) eyes somewhere else. The
 best approach for me consists of making notifications that are easy to
 spot on the screen but that someone focusing on something else can
 easily not notice. I think notify-osd is approaching this state now,
 and we should focus on improving its last bugs, this will likely
 receive more praise from users ;)

+1

I think we can identify a set of fine motor control activities, as
Celeste described, where you have brittle state, like driving your
mouse through a menu or a dropdown listbox. A loss of attention and
consequent slip there is really irritating because you have to start
over on the brittle work. We could delay a while on those actions, IMO,
usefully. But beyond that it becomes a mugs game to guess intent.

Mark


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Re: [Ayatana] Notifications are annoying when typing in the upper right corner of a window

2009-06-01 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 01/06/2009 alle 10.30 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul ha scritto:
 
 kwin can also know when a dropdown or context menu is open. i've been
 looking 
 into the possibility of delaying notifications which occur during
 these types 
 of interactions for n seconds. several researcher groups have found
 significant 
 benefits for these types of computer-mediated interruptions.

At an intuitive level can we say that when dropdowns or context menus
are opened, the user is typically doing something short and that
requires focus (such as filling in a form or selecting a menu entry) and
then it is better not to interrupt the user in that precise moment?

I see that when I am chosing a menu entry I wouldn't normally move my
eyes to look at a notification.

Do you have pointers to some document by these research groups?

thanks

Vincenzo



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