Re: [Ayatana] System / hardware indicator
Il giorno mar, 16/06/2009 alle 15.48 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: On 16/06/2009 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea. What do you guys think? If there's support for the idea, we could do a round of design work and present it here for more detailed discussion. Do you mean like the messaging indicator but for system messages? If so, would it also handle update-manager interactions? I think this has been proposed by many both here and on the u-m bug so there should be wide consensus. I'd love it. If I misunderstood what you said, perhaps some more detail is needed. Vincenzo You asked me to discuss this topic in _this_ thread, and here I am :) As you can see I already posted the above. To make it clear, it would be nice IMHO if some form of system indicator could replace the infamous popup. I also suggested in this time window that notifications in the panel could be something like the FUSA, with text instead of an icon, and if you are low on screen space, you can right click on it and make it an icon. Then, whatever icon it's used, it will be clear since *the user* turned text into icons and saw the icon the first time. More details on an earlier post: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00253.html . I posted a mockup for the update-notifier recently which I think would fit for a system indicator (did not add it to the wiki yet, sorry) here is a pseudo-screenshot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines/Comments?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=text-notification.jpg and the idea, if extended to system indicator, is as follows: if there is only one message pending then it has a short title written in bold, like A system update is required in the screenshot (perhaps terrible english :)). I imagine that clicking on it pops up a short menu with options like initiating interaction (e.g. update the system...) or remind me later. If there are more than one message, the text in bold may read something like System events pending and clicking on it reveal a menu divided in various areas, like the system menu in our default panel. Each area has perhaps no submenus, but a non-selectable bold entry for the message itself, and the actions below it. Every message can obviously have its own menu. E.g. Your house is burning remind me later would not make sense :) Vincenzo ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] System / hardware indicator
I would definitely enjoy having that accessible as a user...while things are far from bad the way they are in terms of hardware/system...there are often those times I have to pause and remember the Gnome, way of getting to that particular menu or function... Would love to see what you have in mind in terms of design! -Anthony On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea. What do you guys think? If there's support for the idea, we could do a round of design work and present it here for more detailed discussion. Mark ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatanahttps://launchpad.net/%7Eayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatanahttps://launchpad.net/%7Eayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] System / hardware indicator
Em Ter, 2009-06-16 às 15:48 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia escreveu: On 16/06/2009 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea. What do you guys think? If there's support for the idea, we could do a round of design work and present it here for more detailed discussion. Do you mean like the messaging indicator but for system messages? If so, would it also handle update-manager interactions? I think this has been proposed by many both here and on the u-m bug so there should be wide consensus. I'd love it. +1 here. Finally, I would also like to emphasize the fact the the vocal minority of power users that are complaining about the new update-notifier behavior would be happy enough if there was as *supported* way to fall back to the old behavior (or to adopt the new behavior suggested in my first email). The main problem for us, pop-under haters, is that there is no *supported* way to avoid it but to turn off update-notifier entirely. Finally, I would like to stress that the new update-manager introduced what I think is a paper cut. Here is what usually happened to me before I reverted update-manager back to the old behavior using the unsupported option: I see the pop-under in the middle of my work, decide to close the update-manager to keep on working (and to get rid of the update-manager application in my alt-tab list). Update manager closes and only comes back many days later. There is no trace left in that session that I have updates available. To me this is a paper cut, and a dangerous one, as I would be updating my machine less often. A much better approach was already suggested in this thread. Update-notifier should display a permanent notification (in the notification panel or in the indicator-applet or in the new system indicator, or wherever people think is appropriate, but with a clear visible sign) to remember me that the updates are available if the user closes update-manager without upgrading. Paulo. Obs: Sincerely, it is easy enough for me to turn off update-manager completely and still get permanent notifications, a simple scripts that calls apt-get update followed by a email saying that updates are available would do. However I do care about other users that can not code that easily. I do think that the new behavior is much worse than the old one and can in many cases lead to fewer updates not more. -- Paulo José da Silva e Silva Professor Associado, Dep. de Ciência da Computação (Associate Professor, Computer Science Dept.) Universidade de São Paulo - Brazil e-mail: pjssi...@ime.usp.br Web: http://www.ime.usp.br/~pjssilva Teoria é o que não entendemos o (Theory is something we don't) suficiente para chamar de prática. (understand well enough to call practice) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] System / hardware indicator
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 14:21 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Ted Gould has been a proponent of a system / hardware indicator, and I've been working on how to handle things like USB-unmount and Bluetooth-connect and am coming round to the idea. What do you guys think? If there's support for the idea, we could do a round of design work and present it here for more detailed discussion. Add usb-mount failure, usb power failure (not plugged into a powered source), usb slowed (device of version x, slowed to x-1 because of port) and no driver warning to that list. Reporting that a device has been plugged in is good but the displayable information about these devices is sometimes poor. Look at some of the names and lack of icons for a lot of devices, we should want to make this look awesome and that means more user identifiable information. How to pair devices up with this information is for another mailing list I think. Regards, MArtin ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
