Re: [Ayatana] progress window chrome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote on 08/12/10 21:24: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 20:57, Roth Robert evf...@gmail.com ... On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas ... Yes. It is a bug in the HIG that it recommends repeating title bar text as primary text in progress windows. The sentence that recommended repeating the title bar text as primary text in progress windows was removed since 2.30... you can still see it in 2.28, but it does not appear since 2.30 anymore. I guess that the screenshot was not updated. whow, such historical detail ;) Oh, it's even worse than that. The person who removed it was ... me. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2010-March/msg00021.html I just forgot yesterday that I'd done it. Now let's hope that the 3.0 will rid us of the necessity of talking about how many titles a progress window needs.. Or, if hoping isn't your style, you could report bugs and make patches for the programs (like Synaptic) that currently repeat titles. In reality, even the current stable HIG recommends against using windows for the indication of progress, That's a misleading summary. The guidelines recommend against using progress windows in specific cases -- where the task prevents you from doing anything in an existing window (in which case you should show progress in that existing window), or where the task will take only a few seconds. There are still many cases where progress windows are appropriate. which itself leads to the conclusion that displaying progress within an extra window is an improper way of presenting that kind of data. It doesn't really. - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0A2GoACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecpOaACeNvKjsqv3OOJbvWoMhEdKiPBS C7IAoKBxJsSX4yGZoNDWBmwwkQrKRryv =1wLe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] progress window chrome
hi conscious, On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 16:58, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: Discussions about an eventual progress indicator aside, I think this is the kind of thing modal dialogs are meant to eliminate. http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/gnome-shell-modal-dialogs.pnghttp://people.freedesktop.org/%7Edavid/gnome-shell-modal-dialogs.png thanks a lot, that's cool! about the window dragging (handle)... been testing Unity for a bit now, MPT said it before.. there is a great necessity to begin differenciating properly between what is a full fledged window, and what is *something else* ;) The main reason in Unity that i see for this differenciation would be, AppMenu, which should be reserved for Suites and Integrated Environments, i would call these Main Applications. for a chat conversation, all i would need is a borderless rectangle that i can move with the mouse. i don't need a minimize button on it, don't need a titlebar either, and most certainly no application menu, since closing it would only hide the conversation back into the imaginary Contact Menu it came from, and chat is so simple a procedure that all necessary options can be contained inside the conversation window, no need for an ancient appliation menu. there are more examples of this, e.g. Calculator, which should also dump its application menu and act like a desklet, instead of fooling itself into believing it is a full fledged suite that deserves to have a window and an application menu. Most of the application menus i see out there are only there for the sake of being there, we don't really need them. who's up to completing the following lists? apps that need not appmenu: * Calculator * Tomboy * Chat conversations * System Monitor (running processes) * ? apps that still need their appmenu: * Evolution * OpenOffice.org * Firefox * Nautilus * ? Regarding the various configuration dialogs and preferences windows we have, i'm sure there's more to discuss also: e.g. Network Manager or Empathy Suite if there was any, or Sound Preferences, Appearance Preferences, or About Me. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] progress window chrome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote on 07/12/10 01:42: what purpose has the titlebar in the attached image? I can only imagine that it is meant as a drag handle.. ... Yes. It is a bug in the HIG that it recommends repeating title bar text as primary text in progress windows. - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz/eHMACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecrXhQCdH9eaoQPHsdkiJ7aKaVfB2fQz dKMAoJraf3m7JgiQ11VoYEb2i9aFs3RB =duUM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] progress window chrome
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: Yes. It is a bug in the HIG that it recommends repeating title bar text as primary text in progress windows. The sentence that recommended repeating the title bar text as primary text in progress windows was removed since 2.30... you can still see it in 2.28, but it does not appear since 2.30 anymore. I guess that the screenshot was not updated. Regards, Robert ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] progress window chrome
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 20:57, Roth Robert evf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas m...@canonical.comwrote: Yes. It is a bug in the HIG that it recommends repeating title bar text as primary text in progress windows. The sentence that recommended repeating the title bar text as primary text in progress windows was removed since 2.30... you can still see it in 2.28, but it does not appear since 2.30 anymore. I guess that the screenshot was not updated. whow, such historical detail ;) Now let's hope that the 3.0 will rid us of the necessity of talking about how many titles a progress window needs.. In reality, even the current stable HIG recommends against using windows for the indication of progress, which itself leads to the conclusion that displaying progress within an extra window is an improper way of presenting that kind of data. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] progress window chrome
Discussions about an eventual progress indicator aside, I think this is the kind of thing modal dialogs are meant to eliminate. http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/gnome-shell-modal-dialogs.png -Original Message- From: frederik.nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com To: Ayatana List ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 6:43 pm Subject: [Ayatana] progress window chrome what purpose has the titlebar in the attached image? I can only imagine that it is meant as a drag handle.. anybody? ___Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatanaPost to : ayat...@lists.launchpad.netunsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatanaMore help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Ayatana] progress window chrome
what purpose has the titlebar in the attached image? I can only imagine that it is meant as a drag handle.. anybody? attachment: Screenshot.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
