RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

2010-04-13 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Hi Robin,
 
Jose and Isabel had 9 childrenDaniel Francisco is named after his maternal 
grandfather, Daniel Francisco Matoshe has an older brother Manuel born in 
1833that's probably the one in the 1880 census a few houses away from 
Daniel. It looks from the NEPS site that possibly several of the 9 kids left 
the Azores, Manuel,b.1833, Jose b.1839, Daniel b.1844, Quiteria,1849 and Helena 
1853.
 
Daniels older sister, Maria Isabel married Jose Garcia Rosa and they had 2 
girls named Ana that died young , a girl named Isabel and a son named Manuel 
born in 1868. 
 
Another sister Isabel Marianna Coracao, married Francisco Jose Silveira, had 6 
or so kids, one named Manuel. Looks like she stayed in the Azores but it 
appears that most of the kids left.
 
Another sister, Ana Isabel Coracao, married Francisco Furtado Silva and had 2 
daughters in the Azores and it's not clear they stayed in the Azores. 

 

Perhaps you can see some other potential family members in the census records. 
Lots and lots of similarities to your family...were there any Maciels or 
Marshalls nearby yiur family in the census? Not unlikely they just dropped 
Maciel da Rosa was the choice

 

happy hunting!

 

Nancy Jean
 






From: beso...@succeed.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:07:25 -0700





Could be?  Siblings - I have no idea.  I've recently been in contact with a 
cousin.  He's the GG Grandson of Dan and Dan's 2nd wife. His records are in 
storage, so he'll get back with me, but once he saw my tree he was surprised 
since he didn't have all the information.  So, who knows what he may come up 
with. 
 
I do have a San Benito County census that a person sent my grandmother and she 
left a post-it note commenting about a Manual De Rosa a couple houses/ranches 
apart from Daniel's.  She wonder if it could be a brother or other relation?  
Now that I'm looking at the 1880 US Census, San Benito Co. San Juan Bautista 
Township, it shows a Manuel Rosa from the Azores, age 35 (which is the same age 
listed for Daniel).  So, either Daniel had a twin or possible relative.  Now, 
he could be a twin since twins run in the family.  Daniel's 2nd child (to his 
first wife) was my Great Grandmother, Mariana and she was a twin.  
 
I'm thinking with the Jose de Rosa and a wife of Isabel Marianna that you've 
found, it's pretty close.  Any suggestion on what we could search from here to 
investigate more?  Thanks,
 


Robin Borba Besotes
Researching:  Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos, 
Jorge, Souto, Silveira, Canhoto
California Towns:  Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres 
Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas  Azores:  Terceira, Sao 
Jorge, Faial, Pico, Flores

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-04-12 14:45
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

Robin, 
 
I just checked the NEPS site and this Jose de Rosa Maciel and his wife Isabel 
Marianna did have a son named Daniel.according to the site born in 
1844.it's one of those records with no info attached like the ones for my 
relatives who came to the states and left no info behind for the site. It looks 
like this Daniel was named for his grandfather. Could these be yours.lot's 
of sibs for Daniel.
 
Nancy Jean
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

2010-04-13 Thread Besotes
Thanks Nancy!  Where on Pico did you find them?  I'll look over the census 
records this afternoon.  I'm tied up this morning.  I do remember seeing Manual 
being married, but he was listed as Jose Dutra's partner in a dairy or ranching 
with Jose family listed.  No spouse or children that I could see for Manual.  
So, he could have lived in a neighboring county.  

I'll check back as soon as I can.  TTFN, Robin Borba Besotes

  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: 2010-04-13 08:18
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico


  Hi Robin,
   
  Jose and Isabel had 9 childrenDaniel Francisco is named after his 
maternal grandfather, Daniel Francisco Matoshe has an older brother Manuel 
born in 1833that's probably the one in the 1880 census a few houses away 
from Daniel. It looks from the NEPS site that possibly several of the 9 kids 
left the Azores, Manuel,b.1833, Jose b.1839, Daniel b.1844, Quiteria,1849 and 
Helena 1853.
   
  Daniels older sister, Maria Isabel married Jose Garcia Rosa and they had 2 
girls named Ana that died young , a girl named Isabel and a son named Manuel 
born in 1868. 
   
  Another sister Isabel Marianna Coracao, married Francisco Jose Silveira, had 
6 or so kids, one named Manuel. Looks like she stayed in the Azores but it 
appears that most of the kids left.
   
  Another sister, Ana Isabel Coracao, married Francisco Furtado Silva and had 2 
daughters in the Azores and it's not clear they stayed in the Azores. 
   
  Perhaps you can see some other potential family members in the census 
records. Lots and lots of similarities to your family...were there any 
Maciels or Marshalls nearby yiur family in the census? Not unlikely they just 
dropped Maciel da Rosa was the choice
   
  happy hunting!
   
  Nancy Jean
   

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

2010-04-13 Thread Besotes

Thanks Gayle,

I'll try and do some research this afternoon.  I'm waiting to hear from a 
cousin to see if he has more information to help narrow down more 
information.  The cousin still lives in San Benito County, so I'm hoping 
he'll have even a little piece of the puzzle.  Will keep you posted.


Thanks again,   Robin Borba Besotes

- Original Message - 
From: "Gayle Machado" 

To: 
Sent: 2010-04-12 17:34
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico


Robin,

I checked the Amorim book for Sao Mateus for 1830 - 1860. Not one Daniel was 
born in the 30 years span. There were 5 notations of "indeterminable" with 
no further info and 3 more with death dates corresponding to birth dates. Of 
the five, one in 1845, two in 1846, one in 1853 and the last in 1853. 
Nancy's find in Candelaria might work. I looked at the NEPS site and saw 
that most of the other options were either excluded by date or the lack of a 
child named Daniel.


Once you get more info, it'll be easy to go forward. The films for Sao 
Mateus are legible and complete. Unlike those for Candelaria, which are 
often faded, ink-smeared or simply missing altogether.


Gayle



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

2010-04-13 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Robin,

 

NEPS site...enter Pico.go to Madelena.Candelariaenter  Isabel 
Marianna, you want the one married to Jose da Rosa Maciel and it's all there.

 

Nancy
 


From: beso...@succeed.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:31:42 -0700




Thanks Nancy!  Where on Pico did you find them?  I'll look over the census 
records this afternoon.  I'm tied up this morning.  I do remember seeing Manual 
being married, but he was listed as Jose Dutra's partner in a dairy or ranching 
with Jose family listed.  No spouse or children that I could see for Manual.  
So, he could have lived in a neighboring county.  
 
I'll check back as soon as I can.  TTFN, Robin Borba Besotes
 

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-04-13 08:18
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico

Hi Robin,
 
Jose and Isabel had 9 childrenDaniel Francisco is named after his maternal 
grandfather, Daniel Francisco Matoshe has an older brother Manuel born in 
1833that's probably the one in the 1880 census a few houses away from 
Daniel. It looks from the NEPS site that possibly several of the 9 kids left 
the Azores, Manuel,b.1833, Jose b.1839, Daniel b.1844, Quiteria,1849 and Helena 
1853.
 
Daniels older sister, Maria Isabel married Jose Garcia Rosa and they had 2 
girls named Ana that died young , a girl named Isabel and a son named Manuel 
born in 1868. 
 
Another sister Isabel Marianna Coracao, married Francisco Jose Silveira, had 6 
or so kids, one named Manuel. Looks like she stayed in the Azores but it 
appears that most of the kids left.
 
Another sister, Ana Isabel Coracao, married Francisco Furtado Silva and had 2 
daughters in the Azores and it's not clear they stayed in the Azores. 
 
Perhaps you can see some other potential family members in the census records. 
Lots and lots of similarities to your family...were there any Maciels or 
Marshalls nearby yiur family in the census? Not unlikely they just dropped 
Maciel da Rosa was the choice
 
happy hunting!
 
Nancy Jean
 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] AZORES-Genealogy] Pico - Census

2010-04-13 Thread carabela

Where can you find the Pico census? Are they at NEPS?
Thanks,
Cheryl




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] AZORES-Genealogy] Pico - Census

2010-04-13 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Hi Cheryl,

 

   I was referring to the 1880 California census where Robin saw a "Manuel" 
living in proximity to her Daniel. 

 

I don't think there is a Pico "census" per se other than the church or 
cival recordsif there is something like that perhaps a list member will let 
us know!

 

Nancy
 


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] AZORES-Genealogy] Pico - Census
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:41:17 -0400
From: carab...@aol.com


Where can you find the Pico census? Are they at NEPS?
Thanks,
Cheryl





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-13 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Greetings,

 

I did a comparison of my line with yours.

 

  11th generation all of them are mine also..1640,1641,1644 and 1645 who I 
have as Margarida Sousa LeonardesI have her parents as Joao Leonardes and 
Isabel Goncalves

 

   10th generationI also have most of them816, 817, 820, 821, 822, 
823

I have 817 as Beatriz Anes Camacho and 823 as Catarina Anes Pires

 

   9th generation.I have 408, 409,410,411

 

   8th..I have 204 and 205

 

None any later than those that I can see here. Socousins of some sort but I 
find these relationships very difficult to figure out!

 

Best regards,

Nancy Jean

 


 


Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Beverley and Nancy, I look forward to hearing your findings.


margaret. 


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM,  wrote:




Nancy, Margaret,

 

I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too.  I have most of 
these names in my line...  from Calheta, Sao Jorge.  Also Norte Grande.

 

I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names.

 

Beverly




 

 

 

 


- Original Message -
From: "nancy jean baptiste" 
To: "azores group" 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

Hi Margaret,
 
Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's nice 
to now be able to differentiate between a "sailor" and a "fisherman".
 
These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the 11th 
generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins since I see 
lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others on the list 
are connected as well!
 
I envy the native speakersI wish I had the "lingua"!
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean 
 








Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu; 



Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish 
assistance.


Thank you so much, one and all.


Margaret


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:

Joao,  


Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your gesture in 
providing this chart.  THANK you very much!


Margaret. 





On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes  wrote:





Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel 
 
 
First Generation
 
  1. Isabel was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
Second Generation
 
  2. Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes was born c.1694. He married Luíza da 
Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  3. Luíza da Silveira e Sousa was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Third Generation
 
  4. Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira was born c.1631 in Calheta, ilha 
de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.
 
  5. Bárbara Gregório was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  6. Manuel Pereira de Bairros was born c.1668. He married Juliana da Cruz 
on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
  7. Juliana da Cruz was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
 
Fourth Generation
 
12. Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS was born c.1640 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
13. Maria Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. She 
died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
14. Mateus Silveira Borges was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb 1698. 
Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.
 
15. Bárbara de Sousa died before 3 Feb 1698.
 
 
 
Fifth Generation
 
24. Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS was born c.1609. He married Isabel Vieira 
NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
25. Isabel Vieira NETTO was born c.1619.
 
26. Belchior Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He 
married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
27. Joana PEREIRA was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Sixth Generation
 
 
50. Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA was born c.1574. He married Isabel VIEIRA.
 
51. Isabel VIEIRA was born c.1584.
 
52. Domingos Gaspar Fagundes was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, 
ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís.
 
53. Apolônia Luís was born about 1602 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Seventh Generation
 
  100. Brás FERNANDES was born c.1544. He married Isabel PEREIRA.
 
  101. Isabel PEREIRA.
 
  102. Miguel VIEIRA was born c.1554. He married Suzana MANUEL.
 
  103. Suzana MANUEL.
  104. Gaspar João Fagundes was born c.1558 in Ribeira Seca, ilha de São Jorge. 
He died before 22 Feb 1637. Gaspar married (?) Apolônia Dias.
 
Eighth Generation
 
  204. 

[AZORES-Genealogy] CA Marriage/Death Records on Vitalsearch

2010-04-13 Thread bellemarco
I am trying to find a marriage record which I believe took place in CA  
between 1930 census and 1960 Ancestry records. Is there any index for these  
years on Vitalsearch?


Thank you.
"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CA Marriage/Death Records on Vitalsearch

2010-04-13 Thread Cheri Mello
Hi Elaine,
Vital Search has only 1949-1986 for CA marriage.  Those are part of the
subscription, and I let mine expire.  There are others on this list that are
VitalSearch members.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AZORES-Genealogy] Pico - Census

2010-04-13 Thread carabela

Nancy,
Oh how sad. I was hoping the census were something I had missed. I often wish 
we had Azores census to work with.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Take care,
Cheryl






-Original Message-
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 12:19 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] AZORES-Genealogy] Pico - Census


Hi Cheryl,
 
   I was referring to the 1880 California census where Robin saw a "Manuel" 
living in proximity to her Daniel. 
 
I don't think there is a Pico "census" per se other than the church or 
cival recordsif there is something like that perhaps a list member will let 
us know!
 
Nancy
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] AZORES-Genealogy] Pico - Census
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:41:17 -0400
From: carab...@aol.com


Where can you find the Pico census? Are they at NEPS?
Thanks,
Cheryl





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-13 Thread Margaret Vicente
Nancy, I don't know much about this but It is worth noting the connection,
and I am doing that.

Margaret

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Greetings,
>
> I did a comparison of my line with yours.
>
>   11th generation all of them are mine also..1640,1641,1644 and 1645
> who I have as Margarida Sousa LeonardesI have her parents as Joao
> Leonardes and Isabel Goncalves
>
>10th generationI also have most of them816, 817, 820, 821, 822,
> 823
> I have 817 as Beatriz Anes Camacho and 823 as Catarina Anes Pires
>
>9th generation.I have 408, 409,410,411
>
>8th..I have 204 and 205
>
> None any later than those that I can see here. Socousins of some sort
> but I find these relationships very difficult to figure out!
>
> Best regards,
> Nancy Jean
>
>
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:03 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Beverley and Nancy, I look forward to hearing your findings.
>
> margaret.
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM,  wrote:
>
>  Nancy, Margaret,
>
> I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too.  I have most of
> these names in my line...  from Calheta, Sao Jorge.  Also Norte Grande.
>
> I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names.
>
> Beverly
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "nancy jean baptiste" 
> To: "azores group" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
> Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's
> nice to now be able to differentiate between a "sailor" and a "fisherman".
>
> These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the
> 11th generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins
> since I see lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others
> on the list are connected as well!
>
> I envy the native speakersI wish I had the "lingua"!
>
> Best regards,
> Nancy Jean
>
>
>
> --
>
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu;
>
> Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish
> assistance.
>
> Thank you so much, one and all.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Joao,
>
> Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your
> gesture in providing this chart.  THANK you very much!
>
> Margaret.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
>
>   *Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *First Generation*
>
> **
>
>   1.* Isabel* was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São
> Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
> *Second Generation*
>
> **
>
>   2.* Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes* was born c.1694. He married Luíza
> da Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>   3.* Luíza da Silveira e Sousa* was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta,
> ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
> *Third Generation*
>
> **
>
>   4.* Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira* was born c.1631 in Calheta,
> ilha de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.
>
>
>
>   5.* Bárbara Gregório* was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>   6.* Manuel Pereira de Bairros* was born c.1668. He married Juliana
> da Cruz on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   7.* Juliana da Cruz* was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
> *Fourth Generation*
>
> **
>
> 12.* Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS* was born c.1640 in Calheta,
> ilha de S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta,
> ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
> 13.* Maria Luís FAGUNDES* was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
> She died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
> 14.* Mateus Silveira Borges* was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb
> 1698. Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.
>
>
>
> 15.* Bárbara de Sousa* died before 3 Feb 1698.
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
> *Fifth Generation*
>
> **
>
> 24.* Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS* was born c.1609. He married Isabel
> Vieira NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 25.* Isabel Vieira NETTO* was born c.1619.
>
>
>
> 26.* Belchior Luís FAGUNDES* was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de
> S.Jorge. He married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 27.* Joana PEREIRA* was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
> *Sixth Generation*
>
> **
>
>
>
> 50.* Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA* was born c.1574. He married Isabel
> VIEIRA.
>
>
>
>