[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth and Death records....dates don't add up for this same person
Hi Margaret, I just happened to find the death record for Antonia when i was looking for somebody else. Her death record is 31 March 1861. The record says she died in a house in Ribeira Cha at 9 months old. That would make her birth date to be approximately June 1860. Right now i am looking for her birth around that time (and bit farther back..) but still havent found it. Thanks for your advice. On Feb 15, 9:12 pm, Margaret Vicente wrote: > Terri, what was Antonia's birth date? If it is within 10-11 months or 1 > year, yes it is possible. > > m > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Terri wrote: > > Thanks Margaret, Cheri and Eric > > Your answers helped me believe strongly that i HAVE found the right > > person with Manoel Soares de Medeiros but i have another dilemma with > > the birth and death records. > > My great grandmother Jacinta Emilia Soares was born in Ribeira Cha ,7 > > March 1861 and baptized 7 Apr. 1861 in Agua de Pau ( i believe that > > Ribeira Cha had no church yet at this time) Jacinta's marriage on 28 > > Oct. 1885 to her husband Antonio Ambrosio de Araujo confirms her age. > > I have now found a death record for a little baby girl Antonia who > > died at 9 months old in Ribeira Cha to Francisco Soares and Roza de > > Almeida (same parents as Jacinta) > > Antonia's grandparents are listed as pat.Manoel Soares and Roza > > Joaquina and mat. Antonia de Almeida and Antonia de Jesus (both sides > > are same grandparents as Jacinta) > > Jacinta and Antonia could not have been born this close > > togetherbut the family names seem all correct. What could be > > happening here? > > > On Feb 14, 11:13 pm, Margaret Vicente > > wrote: > > > Terri, > > > > Manuel Soares de Medeiros is in my line and I have the same birth and > > death > > > record. He married Rosa Joaquina de Medeiros 11 Aug 1817. Their son Joao > > > Soares de Medeiros married Emilia de Jesus de Medeiros who is my 1st > > cousin > > > 4 times removed. > > > > Death records recorded an approximate, unconfirmed age of the deceased, > > > given verbally to the priest by a family member or friend and that was > > why > > > the record would say (58 years, more or less). During my family research > > > I've come across gaps of up to 10 years. > > > > Margaret > > > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Eric Gomes > >wrote: > > > > > Here is my guess: > > > > > When it comes to a death certificate... The age calculation is not > > derived > > > > from a primary source. If his wife was the person to give the > > information, > > > > she was most likely not there at his birth; therefore, I would not rule > > out > > > > that this is your relative because the person may not have known his > > actual > > > > age. > > > > > Eric Gomes > > > > Castro Valley > > > > > On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Terri wrote: > > > > > > My Great Great Great Grandfather Manoel Soares de Medeiros born 25 > > > > > March 1795 in Agua de Pau's records . This week i think i found his > > > > > death record 9 November 1856. What confuses me is that in the death > > > > > record it states that he died at the age of 58. But doing the > > > > > mathhe should have been 61 years old. It's his wife's name on > > the > > > > > document too..so i think i have the right one...or could i be wrong? > > I > > > > > know this topic has come up before...but i have put geneology aside > > > > > for a long time and just started picking it up again so can someone > > > > > refresh my memory as to whether the documents could be off by a few > > > > > years and still be the right person? > > > > > > -- > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation > > directions > > > > when they arrive. > > > > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No > > Mail > > > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > > > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > > > > membership." > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation > > directions > > > > when they arrive. > > > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No > > Mail > > > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > > > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > > > > membership." > > > > -- > > > Margaret M Vicente- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google a
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Catholic or Jewish Roots?
Thank you John. How do i make contact with these two works you mention? are they book articles or websites? Again, thank you On Feb 16, 6:15 pm, John Raposo wrote: > I have written on this subject many times. It continues to be a very > controversial subject. The estimates of the percentage of Jews in the Azorean > population is greatly exaggerated in both the low and the high side. I have > only one proved set of Jewish ancestors: > Francisco Fernandes, o Castelhano foi escudeiro e era natural de Sevilha, > sendo o seu nome todo Francisco Fernandes Pincho, segundo o genealogista > Agostinho de Barros Lobo. Veio por 1500 e tantos para esta ilha de S. Miguel, > onde fez testamento com sua mulher a 9.7.1544, sendo morador em S. Pedro de > Ponta Delgada; foram sepultados na igreja da mesma freguesia junto ao > cruzeiro (Nota N.º 1). Frutuoso cita-o algumas vezes como se pode ver no > início do Liv.º IV das Saudades da Terra. Casou com Maria Fernandes, que, > segundo se diz, foi sambanitada em Sevilha pelo que deve ser por ela que se > transmitiu a ascendência de cristãos novos aos seus descendentes, entre eles, > Gaspar Dias e os filhos de António Mendes Pereira. > > I recommend the following two works: Braga, Paul Drumond, A Inquisição nos > Açores, Instituto Cultural de Ponta Delgada, Ponta Delgada: 1997, which is > the most comprehensive research on the Jewish presence in the Azores. The > other is: Almeida Mello, José, Sinagoga Sahar Hassamain de Ponta Delgada, > Nova Gráfica, Ponta Delgada: 2009, about the presence of modern Jewry in the > Azores, the Moroccan serphadim that arrived in the 18th century. Their > synagogue in Ponta Delgada is being restored. The synagogue in Newport, RI > was built in the same style. > --- On Mon, 2/14/11, lori pacheco wrote: > > From: lori pacheco > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots? > To: "Azores Genealogy" > Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 5:43 PM > > This question keeps coming up for me so I want to ask it here. Does > anyone know whether the roots of their azorean ancestors were Jewish > (Sephardic)? I was baptised Catholic;.however, this subject has > intrigued me for a while and I cannot find much informatioon on it. I > would love any feedback from you > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Catholic or Jewish Roots?
You might be able to buy one or both from Livraria Gil in Ponta Delgada which you can find on the internet. --- On Thu, 2/17/11, lori pacheco wrote: From: lori pacheco Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Catholic or Jewish Roots? To: "Azores Genealogy" Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 3:17 PM Thank you John. How do i make contact with these two works you mention? are they book articles or websites? Again, thank you On Feb 16, 6:15 pm, John Raposo wrote: > I have written on this subject many times. It continues to be a very > controversial subject. The estimates of the percentage of Jews in the Azorean > population is greatly exaggerated in both the low and the high side. I have > only one proved set of Jewish ancestors: > Francisco Fernandes, o Castelhano foi escudeiro e era natural de Sevilha, > sendo o seu nome todo Francisco Fernandes Pincho, segundo o genealogista > Agostinho de Barros Lobo. Veio por 1500 e tantos para esta ilha de S. Miguel, > onde fez testamento com sua mulher a 9.7.1544, sendo morador em S. Pedro de > Ponta Delgada; foram sepultados na igreja da mesma freguesia junto ao > cruzeiro (Nota N.º 1). Frutuoso cita-o algumas vezes como se pode ver no > início do Liv.º IV das Saudades da Terra. Casou com Maria Fernandes, que, > segundo se diz, foi sambanitada em Sevilha pelo que deve ser por ela que se > transmitiu a ascendência de cristãos novos aos seus descendentes, entre eles, > Gaspar Dias e os filhos de António Mendes Pereira. > > I recommend the following two works: Braga, Paul Drumond, A Inquisição nos > Açores, Instituto Cultural de Ponta Delgada, Ponta Delgada: 1997, which is > the most comprehensive research on the Jewish presence in the Azores. The > other is: Almeida Mello, José, Sinagoga Sahar Hassamain de Ponta Delgada, > Nova Gráfica, Ponta Delgada: 2009, about the presence of modern Jewry in the > Azores, the Moroccan serphadim that arrived in the 18th century. Their > synagogue in Ponta Delgada is being restored. The synagogue in Newport, RI > was built in the same style. > --- On Mon, 2/14/11, lori pacheco wrote: > > From: lori pacheco > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots? > To: "Azores Genealogy" > Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 5:43 PM > > This question keeps coming up for me so I want to ask it here. Does > anyone know whether the roots of their azorean ancestors were Jewish > (Sephardic)? I was baptised Catholic;.however, this subject has > intrigued me for a while and I cannot find much informatioon on it. I > would love any feedback from you > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Catholic or Jewish Roots?
I found this book on google "From Iberia to Diaspora" Studies in Sephardic History and Culture" by Yedida and Norman Stillman and you can read a preview of it in English online here: http://books.google.com/books?id=hYn4cblnkP0C&pg=PA20&dq=A+Inquisi%C3%A7%C3%A3o+nos+A%C3%A7ores&hl=en&ei=_o1dTb39KZS2sAOStajCCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Viveiros and Farias b. 1880s to Fall River, Massachusetts
Repost for Barbara T,onemst at yahoo dot com I admit that I am not as diligent as I should be in keeping up with the Azorean-Geneology web site but I do glance at the emails at least a couple of times a week. They landed in Fall River, Mass. I can't even find a marriage record for my grandmother and grandfather. She was Teresa Farias(I am not sure of the last name). She died during the flue epidemic around 1917 I believe in Fall River. I can't find a death certificate either. My grandfather, I have found but not his lineage, he was Simaeo Viveiros born in 1887, I believe in the Azores. I can not find my mother's birth certificate although she said she was born in Fall River, I found a Deolinda Viveiros(her name) on a ships manifest that came into Boston. The age was about right, she thought she was born in 1915. I always felt that she was hiding things. Barbara T. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Viveiros and Farias b. 1880s to Fall River, Massachusetts
I remember seeing a program on the flu epidemic I think American Experience on PBS several years ago. As I recall so many people died that they were stacked up on porch's and collected and put in common graves. This may be a reason there is not death record. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:13 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Viveiros and Farias b. 1880s to Fall River, Massachusetts Repost for Barbara T,onemst at yahoo dot com I admit that I am not as diligent as I should be in keeping up with the Azorean-Geneology web site but I do glance at the emails at least a couple of times a week. They landed in Fall River, Mass. I can't even find a marriage record for my grandmother and grandfather. She was Teresa Farias(I am not sure of the last name). She died during the flue epidemic around 1917 I believe in Fall River. I can't find a death certificate either. My grandfather, I have found but not his lineage, he was Simaeo Viveiros born in 1887, I believe in the Azores. I can not find my mother's birth certificate although she said she was born in Fall River, I found a Deolinda Viveiros(her name) on a ships manifest that came into Boston. The age was about right, she thought she was born in 1915. I always felt that she was hiding things. Barbara T. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Francis Brio or Braio
I am at a dead end with my great great grandfather who I have known as Joseph Francis BRIO...while looking on Ancestry.com they recommended I look at Joseph Francis Braio...see below Joseph Francis BraioPassenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Joseph Francis BraioU.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project) I do not have membership to Ancestry.com...would someone who is a member look this up for me? Thanks ever so much! Calvena De Avila Brazil (Marek Delacroix) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
