[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
On Aug 26, 9:34 pm, Cheri Mello wrote: > Repost for Katharine Baker: > >...He was very helpful during my 2004 > visit to Horta, when I spent a good deal of time in the Regional > Archives. Katharine, I'd be curious to know more about your (or anyone else's) experience in the archives in Horta. As I posted previously, my experience there this past June was kind of a bust. They would not let me look at any of the actual record books. They pointed me to a computer set aside for "genealogical research only" that linked to the Centro de Conhecimento web site with scans of the record books (http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/), which I had looked at before. The web site is organized by island and freguesia; for Pico they only list three frequesias: São Roque, Madaleina, and Lajes. When you select one you eventually get to pages with hundreds of links that are in no order that I can ascertain. Each link goes to a bunch of documents from a particular time period (I think), but there is no way to tell what that is before you click on it. Here is an example: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PSRQPNB1764-1783%5CPSRQPNB1764-1783_item1%5Cindex.html (BTW, I can not get any of these links to work on my computer at home; they all say "The page can not be found."). I can understand them wanting to go the scanning route, so they don't have tons of people pawing through the original record books and eventually destroying them. But not all of the records have been scanned yet, and the scans themselves are often too faint to read. I did not get the sense that anyone there specialized in this material or knew much about how it was organized. And the computer had a sign on it that said you could only use it for (I think) 30 minutes at a time! Not very user friendly... Did I miss something? Or was this your experience too? I only had one afternoon to spend there, so it wasn't like I had much time to figure it all out. On the upside, the new library building is very nice, and a couple of the librarians made an effort to help me in spite of the language gap. Steve (Peters) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Steve, when I was there in May 2008 the Horta Archives DID let me look at the actual record books. However, I think that was before any of the scans of them were online, which would explain everything. The librarians there have been very kind to me too, despite the halting nature of my conversational Portuguese; sometimes I do better if I write down in Portuguese what I'm looking for. I'm also good at pointing to what I want ;-) Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. If not, I assume Cheri knows of other work-arounds. Frank, please let us know if you've been to Flores before, so in case you have, we don't just repeat info you already know. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
*Steve*,* I second what my cousin Kathie said regarding the helpfulness of the staff at the Horta Archives **HOWEVER, that was 7 years ago. I did extensive research there in 2000 and 2002 and policies may have been more relaxed then. I was allowed to look thru the original church registers then, something which they apparently don't allow any more. At that time there was an older woman on the staff who took it upon herself to actively look for some of my family lines (ie I would be researching one line, and she would grab another register and research another one of my lines and found some of my ancestors) If that lady has not since retired, I don't know if she would be allowed to do that under present policies. (maybe she was one of the ladies who was helpful to you). On top of that, I'm fairly fluent in Portuguese which made things a lot simpler. As Kathie said, Francisco ANP Gomes is the gold standard on Flores genealogy. When I was there in 2002 he lent me the three large 3 ring binders in which he was compiling the marriages for his now published book "Cassais das Flores e do Corvo". From that reference, I was able to pretty much fill out my direct lines. I don't know if that book is still in print (possibly someone on the list might know), but I would recommend that any Flores (or Corvo) researcher get a copy. At least that would give you a good start providing you know your Flores ancestors back a generation or two. If you don't speak at least some portugues, I would recommend arranging for one. Possible someone on the list might provide some leads on translators. On all of the Islands there are often taxi drivers who have lived in the US and speak fair English, but you might have to pay them for their time. If you get to Flores and need help, I have at least two cousins there who have lived in the states and speak very good English. John Vasconcelos . * On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Steve Peters wrote: > On Aug 26, 9:34 pm, Cheri Mello wrote: > > > Repost for Katharine Baker: > > > >...He was very helpful during my 2004 > > visit to Horta, when I spent a good deal of time in the Regional > > Archives. > > Katharine, I'd be curious to know more about your (or anyone else's) > experience in the archives in Horta. > > As I posted previously, my experience there this past June was kind of > a bust. They would not let me look at any of the actual record books. > They pointed me to a computer set aside for "genealogical research > only" that linked to the Centro de Conhecimento web site with scans of > the record books (http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/), which I had > looked at before. The web site is organized by island and freguesia; > for Pico they only list three frequesias: São Roque, Madaleina, and > Lajes. When you select one you eventually get to pages with hundreds > of links that are in no order that I can ascertain. Each link goes to > a bunch of documents from a particular time period (I think), but > there is no way to tell what that is before you click on it. Here is > an example: > > > http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PSRQPNB1764-1783%5CPSRQPNB1764-1783_item1%5Cindex.html > > (BTW, I can not get any of these links to work on my computer at home; > they all say "The page can not be found."). > > I can understand them wanting to go the scanning route, so they don't > have tons of people pawing through the original record books and > eventually destroying them. But not all of the records have been > scanned yet, and the scans themselves are often too faint to read. I > did not get the sense that anyone there specialized in this material > or knew much about how it was organized. And the computer had a sign > on it that said you could only use it for (I think) 30 minutes at a > time! Not very user friendly... > > Did I miss something? Or was this your experience too? I only had one > afternoon to spend there, so it wasn't like I had much time to figure > it all out. > > On the upside, the new library building is very nice, and a couple of > the librarians made an effort to help me in spite of the language > gap. > > Steve (Peters) > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
*Sherry, There is a Portuguese store in Artesia in the LA area called Portugal Imports which carries dried salted Cod which I believe does mail orders. Their tel no is 562-809-7021 or you can google them. I believe they are already closed for today but you can try Monday. They also carry a selection of Portuguese wine, beer, and cheeses including Sao Jorge Cheese. They also are associated with a Portuguese bakery and offer massa sovada, quesadas (sp?) etc. Check out their webpage www.portugalimports.net/ John Vasconcelos* On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:32 AM, wrote: > ** > My great-grandmother used to make something like that with cod fish. I > don't remember saffron being in it. I know it had cod fish, onions, vinegar > & I think red peppers from a jar ( they were chopped). I will have to check > with my Mom to see if she remembers what all went into it. I loved the dish! > It was all crumbled up like we do with tuna but no mayonnaise. I live in > Southern CA & we don't have the dried cod fish like they do back east. My > family was in the New Bedford, MA area & I loved visiting because of all the > Portuguese food! My mom, brother & I lived on Cape Cod & there was some > Portuguese foods but not like New Bedford! Oh i wish I could go visit! > Sherry > > In a message dated 8/26/2011 8:24:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > steve.go...@gmail.com writes: > > My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish, > vinegar, raw onions, and saffron. Has anyone else had that in their > family? i cant find it on the Internet anywhere. I am wondering if > it is a dish my grandmother made up. > > steve.go...@gmail.com > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
*Steve*,* You have to soak the salted dried cod in water to get the salt out before you can prepare most Cod dishes. John Vasconcelos* On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Steve Gomes wrote: > No, this was not a salted fish dish. > Thanks for the response > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 26, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "Jason Fraga" > wrote: > > > Steve, that'd be bacalhau. There are heated and cold variations out > there. > > > > Jay Fraga > > Massachusetts > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Steve Gomes" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe > > > > > > My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish, > > vinegar, raw onions, and saffron. Has anyone else had that in their > > family? i cant find it on the Internet anywhere. I am wondering if > > it is a dish my grandmother made up. > > > > steve.go...@gmail.com > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
Thank you John! I will definitely check it out. Sherry In a message dated 8/27/2011 6:02:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gfsjo...@gmail.com writes: Sherry, There is a Portuguese store in Artesia in the LA area called Portugal Imports which carries dried salted Cod which I believe does mail orders. Their tel no is 562-809-7021 or you can google them. I believe they are already closed for today but you can try Monday. They also carry a selection of Portuguese wine, beer, and cheeses including Sao Jorge Cheese. They also are associated with a Portuguese bakery and offer massa sovada, quesadas (sp?) etc. Check out their webpage _www.portugalimports.net/_ (http://www.portugalimports.net/) John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Never been to any of the Azores. Taking all of your experiences in. Thanking all so much. Frank On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Katharine wrote: > Steve, when I was there in May 2008 the Horta Archives DID let me look > at the actual record books. However, I think that was before any of > the scans of them were online, which would explain everything. The > librarians there have been very kind to me too, despite the halting > nature of my conversational Portuguese; sometimes I do better if I > write down in Portuguese what I'm looking for. I'm also good at > pointing to what I want ;-) > > Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans > that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's > what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. If > not, I assume Cheri knows of other work-arounds. > > > Frank, please let us know if you've been to Flores before, so in case > you have, we don't just repeat info you already know. > > Katharine. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
