Re: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?

[Michael Gilfilian]

Thanks Celeste!!
On Jun 25, 2012 11:20 PM, "celeste perry"  wrote:

> Mike,
>I received this from someone who lives in the Irvington district of
> Fremont.  It looks like Mission San Jose will be the place you need to look
> for the information on your ancestor.  Celeste, Hayward, CA
>   Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
>  "The first Catholic church in Irvington was St. Leonard's. 1959. The
> second Catholic church in Irvington was Santa Paula on Blacow Rd. (not sure
> of the date).  A couple of years ago both churches merged into one church
> called Our Lady of Guadalupe..  We are now holding mass at the old St.
> Leonards site, while waiting to get enough money to build a new Church at
> the Santa Paula site.  Up until 1959 all of us Irvington catholic attended
> St. Joseph's in Mission San Jose."
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

[Gail Elizares]

Hi Shirley,

 

I’m not sure if a  child came with them.  I don’t know if it is accurate but
I show a child name Maria born in 1882 and approximate date of marriage
1883.  They show a second child name Maria da Estrella Souza born in 1883 in
Hawaii.  Second Maria married Joseph Dias and lived in Alameda County.  I
tried ordering death certificates covering 1931 through 1935 but they
couldn’t find any.  They are double checking with the state to make sure
they didn’t die during that period.  If it comes back a no record found I
will try to order another death certificate covering the next five years.
I’m doing this because I can’t find them in the 1940 census so I think they
died during that period.  It seems like at one point there were two Maria’s
in Hawaii but I’m not sure.

 

Gail

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:22 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

 

Gail:  Do you know if your grandparents had any children with them when they
went to Hawaii

Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: Gail Elizares   

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:07 PM

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

 

I’m having a hard time finding my grandfather and grandmother on a passport
or ship list.  They came from Sao Miguel and their names are Quitao de Souza
aka Caitano Souza, and his wife was Maria Ferreira Souza.  I do know they
came to Hawaii in 1883.  I’m still trying to find if their names are on the
ship list.

 

Gail Souza Dias Elizares

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sonia Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:54 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

 

Please reply directly to me, thank you.

 

I am currently doing some research on illegal emigration from Portugal to
the United States during the time period (roughly) between 1890-1910.  If
you had a relative who emigrated during this time period and you have either
their passport but not their name on a passenger list OR you have found
their name on a passenger list but have not found their passport, can you
please email me directly? I am only trying to compile some rough numbers
regarding how many people may have travailed illegally from Portugal to the
United States.

 

My research has shown, so far, that many individuals were not aware that
they were even traveling illegally or that they were aiding illegal travel!

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Sonia 

Sónia Pacheco
Librarian Archivist
Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives
Claire T. Carney Library
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
285 Old Westport Road
N. Dartmouth, MA 02747
Tel. 508-999-8695
Fax  508-999-8424
Email spach...@umassd.edu
Web site:  http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more question on Azorean naming INSANITY!

[Mendes Ferreira]

Cheri Mello,
Just saying THANK YOU! for being such a wonderful resource for us all.
I truly appreciate your posts and that you share so much of your knowledge.
: )
Timya


On Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:54:37 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Timya, 
>
> d'...de...do...da...
> All prefixes mostly mean "of" or "of the."  The d' is like a contraction 
> in English.  They left off the vowel.  "De" is of.  "Do" is "of the" in 
> masculine form.  "Da" is "of the" in feminine form.
>
> It's probably up to you to figure out how to handle it.  My "de" was 
> dropped somewhere between the east coast and California.  Because I don't 
> have the "de" I have all my ancestors listed as Mello and my genealogy 
> program allows me to put the de/da/do stuff in a pre-surname field.  For my 
> cousin, Altino Demelo, whose family kept the "De," I do have his surname 
> spelled as Demelo (that's his legal name after all), but my genealogy 
> program allows me to sort him with my Mellos.
>
> I've also listed ancestors with the first name of "Manuel de" and last 
> name Mello as well.  So that's another work around for the de/da/do stuff.  
> Other people on this list have other ideas as well.
>
> Your ancestor who married in the 1920s...she was probably born in the late 
> 1890s or around 1900.  She was born in the Azores in the time period where 
> women didn't use surnames or maiden names.  So she comes to America and 
> when asked about her name she says "Maria Candida" and they take the 
> Candida as her last name.  As she learns English and starts to understand 
> American customs, she learns what a maiden name is and starts to give her 
> mom's maiden name of Rocha as her own maiden name.
>
> Think about this...early part of the 20th century and your ancestors are 
> probably in a Portuguese community or working with other Portuguese.  
> Probably speaking the Portuguese language.  Sunday Mass back then was in 
> Latin.  So it takes awhile to acquire the English language.
>
> My grandfather, George, was born in 1912 in California to Manuel Mello and 
> Maria da Gloria Correia.  Birth registry in California began in the fall of 
> 1905, but it took a few years to reach full compliance, so the early ones 
> are spotty.  And they contain different information than the ones do 
> today.  So my grandfather's birth reads he's the son of Manuel Mello and 
> Francisca Correia.  Not Maria da Gloria Correia.  That's not even close!  
> Those early ones did not ask for the informant either.  But I know who the 
> informant was.  It was the father, Manuel.  They asked him who the father 
> was.  He was a proud father, so he gave his name.  The next box asks for 
> the mother.  So they asked him for the mother's name.  So, with his limited 
> English and understanding the word "mother," he gave HIS mother's name of 
> Francisca.  Not his wife's name.  They didn't ask him for his wife, after 
> all.  They did say the word "mother."  He just didn't understand that they 
> meant the baby's mother.  
>
> Think about scenarios and what it was like back then.  Think about limited 
> language.  And little to no education.  And some of these things our 
> ancestors did start to make sense.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Leandro library CA helps preserve Portuguese historical newspapers

[rondo ranch]

I know that my grandfather came into the US around 1925 through the West Coast. 
 Family has said that it was through San Francisco.  I'm going to SF this 
summer.  Where should I look for information about his arrive?  

-Original Message-
>From: Steve Peters 
>Sent: May 1, 2012 9:20 AM
>To: Azores Genealogy 
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Leandro library CA helps preserve 
>Portuguese historical newspapers
>
>FYI, the link given to the online newspaper archive in this article
>does not work. This one will get you there, more or less:
>https://news.arcasearch.com/usmaums/
>
>Unfortunately, the site is not set up to be very intuitive to use.
>There are lots of pop-ups about special computer settings and things
>you need to know. Good luck with it...
>
>Steve
>
>On Apr 30, 11:08 am, Eugenia  wrote:
>> Found this newspaper news story about *Portuguese newspapers* being
>> digitizing: "A Voz Portuguesa" and 13 other Portuguese-language newspapers.
>> See below for more information.
>>
>> The news story mentions about the Portuguese library, J.A. Freitas Library
>> of San Leandro, CA
>>
>> Eugenia
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Eugenia daughter of Antonio Goncalves do Couto of Ribeirinha Terceira

[rondo ranch]

I can not find my Greatx2 Grandmother's death record.  I was wondering if 
anyone in the group has her in their tree and if you do, do you have the 
information?  I know that she died after 1911 but do not know when or where.  
She was the daughter of Antonio Goncalves do Couto and Maria Eugenia Cardoso 
Toste of Ribeirinha, Terceira born on 4/22/1841.  She married Francisco Caetano 
do Canto on  11/25/1833 in Ribeirinha.  He died in a house on Rua da Igreja in 
Ribeirinha on 1/8/1911.  I believe this house is the same house that an 
unmarried aunt, her daughter Eugenia Candida, lived in until 7/10/1953 when she 
died.  She left the house to a niece.  She may have came to the USA to join her 
other children.  Some of the family thinks that her husband also came here for 
a while but went back to the Azores.  Thanks for your help.
Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, Terceria

[rondo ranch]

I need to locate the death record for my Greatx2Grandfather Jose Machado de 
Castro.  I'm hoping that someone has him in their tree and has his death 
information.  He was born 5/12/1828 in Ribeirinha, Teceira to Jose Machado de 
Castro and Maria do Carmo da Cunha.  His wife Maria Eugenia Machado died 
11/23/1910 in a house in Fonte, Ribeirinha.  Some of the family says that he 
died here in California but does not know the location or date.  He died before 
1910. Thanks for your help.
Doreen Caetano

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, Terceria

[celeste perry]

Doreen,
   If you check with Joao Ventura, I am pretty sure he has completed the 
genealogy for the entire village of Ribeirinha, Terceira.  Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


- Original Message -
From: rondo ranch 
To: azores group 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado de Castro of Ribeirinha, Terceria

I need to locate the death record for my Greatx2Grandfather Jose Machado de 
Castro.  I'm hoping that someone has him in their tree and has his death 
information.  He was born 5/12/1828 in Ribeirinha, Teceira to Jose Machado de 
Castro and Maria do Carmo da Cunha.  His wife Maria Eugenia Machado died 
11/23/1910 in a house in Fonte, Ribeirinha.  Some of the family says that he 
died here in California but does not know the location or date.  He died before 
1910. Thanks for your help.
Doreen Caetano

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family history

[Kathy Kniffen]

Hi I am looking for information on my grandfather (Vital Plaso, aka:
Placido) who came here thru Boston in 1919. Where do I get started. I do
have a manafest of the ship he came on but the dates are off. The family
lived in New Bedford, Mass and I found the 1930 census with them on it. I
would like to find his birth and marriage records and my grandmothers (
Mary Silveira). Where do I go first. Thanks Kathy Kniffen

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family history

[Cheri Mello]

Kathy K,
Go to the Azores GenWeb site and read my "Finding Your Roots"
http://goo.gl/9CO4r

The main Azores GenWeb site to bookmark is here: http://goo.gl/HuNWh


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG

[Sam Koester]

Shirley;  Thank you for this confirmation.  That is the date I thought it
was but; for whatever reason, I have the most trouble reading dates, other
than when I can't read any of it! I wanted confirmation on this one as there
were 3 Francisco's born to this family, the first two dying within a year
after birth.  

Thanks again for your help, Sam in CA

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG

Sam he was born 17 May 1857.
Shirley in CA
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From: "Sam Koester" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:04 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG


  Hello again everyone.  I would greatly appreciate it if someone could take
a look at this and translate the date of birth for me.  I can translate the
rest of it myself, including the baptism date but; the date of birth has me
confused.  Many thanks in advance, Sam in CA


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG

[Sam Koester]

Eric;  Aren't you a dear for the offer!  I could give you a whole line of
people but; for starters, I have Manoel Jose Fraga born sometime in 1796,
died 4 Dec 1836 married to Leandra Rosa b. 1785, died 10 Sep 1852.  His
parents: Antonio Teixeria Machado b.?, d.? and Maria Isabel Nascimento b.?,
d.?.  Leandra Rosa's parents: Joao Silveira D'Avila and Barbara Pereira
Neta, b & d unknown.  I have documentation proving the line up to their
children, but; haven't found the documents to go further back yet.  Finding
and reading these old documents is such a tedious process, when it is even
possible.

 

Someday if you are really bored, I can send you a report showing the line
several generation farther back..  J

 

Again, thank you for your kind offer, Sam in CA

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
eric edgar
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:02 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG

 

Sam .

 

I was away and missed your happy dance. I see you have Silva and Fraga from
Flores. I have a thousand or more people in my Flores database from
unraveling my families there. Got someone with a name and date I can look
up?

 

Eric E

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Sam Koester  wrote:

Emil, Filomena do Ceu Faria was my grandmother!  She is from the island of
Faial. I guess that makes us cousins to some degree!  Another cousin, Al
Rose, and I have been searching for a number of years to locate which island
the Fraga line and the Silva line, our ggrandparents, were from.  Finally,
just a few months ago we found out they were from the island of Flores.
Happy Dance time!!  

 

I know the sight you mention in your email but; there is no documentation on
it so, I hesitate to take it at face value.  I know you have sent me a
family report prior to this which I still have not fully gone through.  Was
the Fraga line shown in your report?

 

Nice to know of a new cousin, Thanks for the info. "Cousin" Sam

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
ehsilve...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:38 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG

 

Hi Sam,

http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=pedromiguel;lang=pt;p=franci
sco+jose+de;n=faria   If you go to this location on the web you'll find
Francisco and Maria. Their daughter Filomena do Ceu is the wife of my 4th
cousin twice removed. Antonio S Fraga born 12 Jan 1876.

Emil

Emil Silveira

Currently Researching:

Names and Places;
Avila,  Horta, Angustias, Faial
Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial
Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial
Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial

 










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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:04:38 - (UTC)
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Birth Francisco.IMG

  Hello again everyone.  I would greatly appreciate it if someone could take
a look at this and translate the date of birth for me.  I can translate the
rest of it myself, including the baptism date but; the date of birth has me
confused.  Many thanks in advance, Sam in CA


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado Lineage

[Rich K]

New to the list, and was wondering if anyone could provide some help.

Sadly, I have no real knowlege of my family tree, and now in my mid-30s it 
would be nice to know where I came from.  My father and mother know little 
about their heritage, and it was by happenstance alone I found a small 
glint of information.  A while ago I stumbled across an article 
(http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/sketch1.html), while searching for my 
late grandfather's phone number (now my parent's).  The article states;

"Rufus' mother, Rose Furtado, was born on January 25, 1881 in Sunol, 
California. Her parents were Jose Silveira Furtado and Maria Furtado who 
were both from Faial, Azores Islands. She attended local schools and could 
read and speak both Portuguese and English. Confusion enters at this point 
as to the surnames used by Rose's six brothers and two sisters. Some took 
the last name Kelby and some used Santos. The family tells the story of the 
great grandfather being a cook on a sailing vessel and who had red hair. It 
is assumed that he was a Kelby (Irish) or took on the name Kelby; 
therefore, those in Rose's family who "felt Irish" used the Irish Kelby

Rose's brothers and sisters were: Rosalinda Santos who married William 
Quaresma and were owners of a Portuguese language Sacramento newspaper with 
the name "Imparcial;" Mary who married Joe Avilar; Manuel; Samuel Solsteen 
Kelby whose wife was Audrey and lived in Dunsmuir, California; John Kelby 
whose wife was Emily; Frank Santos; Henry Kelby who married four times; and 
Joe Santos." 

As it turns out, I am a Kelby.  I discussed this with my father, and found 
that he knew little beyond the fact that Samuel Solsteen and Audrey were 
his fraternal grand-parents.

I was wondering if someone could provide me with any information about Jose 
Silveira Furtado and Maria Furtado from Faial; birth dates, immigration 
dates, port of entry, anything.  

Thank you!

Richard Kelby II

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado Lineage

[Cheri Mello]

Richard K,

Go to the Azores GenWeb site and read my "Finding Your Roots"
http://goo.gl/9CO4r

The main Azores GenWeb site to bookmark is here:
http://goo.gl/HuNWh
fraternal = brothers or relating to brothers
paternal = father's side
maternal = mother's side

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

[Pam Santos]

Did you try to order deaths in Hawaii? If so I would ask them to look for
name variations. Because back in 1996 I requested a death for Manuel dos
Santos, They said they couldn't find one. Last year I sent another request
but this time I asked them to look for Manuel Dos Santos Bento and they
found it. It took them a year to send it to me after back and forth sending
them information how I was related for them to verify I was related.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Gail Elizares wrote:

> Hi Shirley,
>
> ** **
>
> I’m not sure if a  child came with them.  I don’t know if it is accurate
> but I show a child name Maria born in 1882 and approximate date of marriage
> 1883.  They show a second child name Maria da Estrella Souza born in 1883
> in Hawaii.  Second Maria married Joseph Dias and lived in Alameda County.
> I tried ordering death certificates covering 1931 through 1935 but they
> couldn’t find any.  They are double checking with the state to make sure
> they didn’t die during that period.  If it comes back a no record found I
> will try to order another death certificate covering the next five years.
> I’m doing this because I can’t find them in the 1940 census so I think they
> died during that period.  It seems like at one point there were two Maria’s
> in Hawaii but I’m not sure.
>
> ** **
>
> Gail
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Shirley Allegre
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2012 9:22 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question
>
> ** **
>
> Gail:  Do you know if your grandparents had any children with them when
> they went to Hawaii
>
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* Gail Elizares  
>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:07 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question
>
> ** **
>
> I’m having a hard time finding my grandfather and grandmother on a
> passport or ship list.  They came from Sao Miguel and their names are *Quitao
> de* *Souza aka Caitano Souza, and his wife was Maria Ferreira Souza*.  I
> do know they came to Hawaii in 1883.  I’m still trying to find if their
> names are on the ship list.
>
> ** **
>
> Gail Souza Dias Elizares
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Sonia Pacheco
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:54 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question
>
> ** **
>
> Please reply directly to me, thank you.
>
>  
>
> I am currently doing some research on illegal emigration from Portugal to
> the United States during the time period (roughly) between 1890-1910.  If
> you had a relative who emigrated during this time period and you have
> either their passport but not their name on a passenger list OR you have
> found their name on a passenger list but have not found their passport, can
> you please email me directly? I am only trying to compile some rough
> numbers regarding how many people may have travailed illegally from
> Portugal to the United States.
>
>  
>
> My research has shown, so far, that many individuals were not aware that
> they were even traveling illegally or that they were aiding illegal travel!
> 
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance, 
>
>  
>
> Sonia 
>
> Sónia Pacheco
> Librarian Archivist
> Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives
> Claire T. Carney Library
> University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
> 285 Old Westport Road
> N. Dartmouth, MA 02747
> Tel. 508-999-8695
> Fax  508-999-8424
> Email spach...@umassd.edu
> Web site:  http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html
>
> ** **
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?

[Shirley Allegre]

GOOD LUCK getting info from the people at the church in Mission San Jose.  My 
cousin and her parents used to live there.
My cousin tried to get help.  They wouldn't let her look at the books because 
"There are Indians listed in the book."
Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: celeste perry 
  To: Azores List 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:20 PM
  Subject: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?


  Mike,
 I received this from someone who lives in the Irvington district of 
Fremont.  It looks like Mission San Jose will be the place you need to look for 
the information on your ancestor.  Celeste, Hayward, CA
   Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


  "The first Catholic church in Irvington was St. Leonard's. 1959. The second 
Catholic church in Irvington was Santa Paula on Blacow Rd. (not sure of the 
date).  A couple of years ago both churches merged into one church called Our 
Lady of Guadalupe..  We are now holding mass at the old St. Leonards site, 
while waiting to get enough money to build a new Church at the Santa Paula 
site.  Up until 1959 all of us Irvington catholic attended St. Joseph's in 
Mission San Jose."





   

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Re: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?

[Mike]

All I know is that you Elaine Rock!

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:37:40 AM UTC-4, belle...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I worked with Mike on the Irvington research. I thought we were tracing 
> the right person in Irvington but after much research, one of the members 
> of the family we were chasing contacted me and I then found out we were 
> following the wrong person, same name. BUT, I did find a ship's manifest 
> for him and Mike traced it and found out exactly where in Pico these family 
> members of his came from something he never dreamed possible. So he has 
> closed the Irvington research - at least for now. 
>
> "E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

[Shirley Allegre]

Do you have any idea where these people died?  Do you know how old they were?  
About when they were born?
I have been looking at all of the sources that I have, and cqn not find them on 
a ship's list.
Do you know the names, ages, place of birth of all of their children?
Have you ever found them on the Hawaii census?

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gail Elizares 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question


  Hi Shirley,

   

  I’m not sure if a  child came with them.  I don’t know if it is accurate but 
I show a child name Maria born in 1882 and approximate date of marriage 1883.  
They show a second child name Maria da Estrella Souza born in 1883 in Hawaii.  
Second Maria married Joseph Dias and lived in Alameda County.  I tried ordering 
death certificates covering 1931 through 1935 but they couldn’t find any.  They 
are double checking with the state to make sure they didn’t die during that 
period.  If it comes back a no record found I will try to order another death 
certificate covering the next five years.  I’m doing this because I can’t find 
them in the 1940 census so I think they died during that period.  It seems like 
at one point there were two Maria’s in Hawaii but I’m not sure.

   

  Gail

   

  From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Allegre
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:22 AM
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

   

  Gail:  Do you know if your grandparents had any children with them when they 
went to Hawaii

  Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: Gail Elizares 

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:07 PM

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

 

I’m having a hard time finding my grandfather and grandmother on a passport 
or ship list.  They came from Sao Miguel and their names are Quitao de Souza 
aka Caitano Souza, and his wife was Maria Ferreira Souza.  I do know they came 
to Hawaii in 1883.  I’m still trying to find if their names are on the ship 
list.

 

Gail Souza Dias Elizares

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sonia Pacheco
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:54 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question

 

Please reply directly to me, thank you.

 

I am currently doing some research on illegal emigration from Portugal to 
the United States during the time period (roughly) between 1890-1910.  If you 
had a relative who emigrated during this time period and you have either their 
passport but not their name on a passenger list OR you have found their name on 
a passenger list but have not found their passport, can you please email me 
directly? I am only trying to compile some rough numbers regarding how many 
people may have travailed illegally from Portugal to the United States.

 

My research has shown, so far, that many individuals were not aware that 
they were even traveling illegally or that they were aiding illegal travel!

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Sonia 

Sónia Pacheco
Librarian Archivist
Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives
Claire T. Carney Library
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
285 Old Westport Road
N. Dartmouth, MA 02747
Tel. 508-999-8695
Fax  508-999-8424
Email spach...@umassd.edu
Web site:  http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Mike]

I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I have 
a question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as the 
Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm 
wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate 
with what they do have? 
Mike

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Cakemom102]

Mike,
 
I have found mistakes on the NEPS site.  I would use the site as a  source 
to help look for the actual documents.  In my opinion, some of it is  
accurate and some is not.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 6/26/2012 4:58:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:

I've had  a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I 
have a question  about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as the 
Azores gov't  goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm 
wondering are the  results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate with 
what they do have?  
Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[celeste perry]

Mike,
   I was at the archive in Horta, Faial, and saw 2 (obvious students) going 
through one of the books.  One was reading out loud the contents of the book 
and the other was writing in a folder.  They looked, to me, as though they were 
recording of the record to the book.  That reminded me about what I had heard 
that the NEPS site was collected by students of one of the professors of the 
university.  All went well until they began to laugh, talk between themselves 
about things not in the book, etc.  I think the NEPS site is (as stated by 
others) a starting point to get to the actual document you need to read or have 
transcribed and translated by someone like Joao Ventura, before you take 
anything as the actual writings.  
    Even looking at the actual books there have been times when it is found 
that the priest made mistakes.  I like to think maybe he said too many masses 
and had a little bit more wine than necessary!
   One clue I found early on was that someone in the NEPS site had a son that 
was born before the father.  
Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

From: Mike 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website


I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I have a 
question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as the Azores 
gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm wondering are the 
results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate with what they do have? 
Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Michael Gilfilian]

Well the same thing is a big problem on ancestry with kids listed as born
before parents. Today I got an email from a man named Tomas Leal who lives
5 minutes from Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico who saw that we were
researching a name from his line, and he has offered to try and verify some
of what I've found on Neps. I've also been in contact with Joao who said he
could help if I give him what I have...
On Jun 26, 2012 8:26 PM, "celeste perry"  wrote:

> Mike,
>I was at the archive in Horta, Faial, and saw 2 (obvious students)
> going through one of the books.  One was reading out loud the contents of
> the book and the other was writing in a folder.  They looked, to me, as
> though they were recording of the record to the book.  That reminded me
> about what I had heard that the NEPS site was collected by students of one
> of the professors of the university.  All went well until they began to
> laugh, talk between themselves about things not in the book, etc.  I think
> the NEPS site is (as stated by others) a starting point to get to the
> actual document you need to read or have transcribed and translated by
> someone like Joao Ventura, before you take anything as the actual
> writings.
> Even looking at the actual books there have been times when it is
> found that the priest made mistakes.  I like to think maybe he said too
> many masses and had a little bit more wine than necessary!
>One clue I found early on was that someone in the NEPS site had a son
> that was born before the father.
> Celeste, Hayward, CA
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>   *From:* Mike 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:58 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website
>
> I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I
> have a question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as
> the Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm
> wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate
> with what they do have?
> Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Cheri Mello]

Mike and others,

>From what we can glean out of the written Portuguese, the NEPS site is a
sociology study.  They do not have entire families.  They skipped the
babies who had no parents (huh, they aren't part of society?) and I don't
remember what else.

Like everyone said, use it as a sort of index and verify with the actual
records (order them through your FHC = Family History Center, hire a
researcher, or wait for them to come online).


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Michael Gilfilian]

Sounds like I have a first family for Joao to verify for me besides seeing
what Tomas Leal can verify for me, he lives five minutes from Piedsde,
Lajes do Pico, pico...
On Jun 26, 2012 9:23 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike and others,
>
> From what we can glean out of the written Portuguese, the NEPS site is a
> sociology study.  They do not have entire families.  They skipped the
> babies who had no parents (huh, they aren't part of society?) and I don't
> remember what else.
>
> Like everyone said, use it as a sort of index and verify with the actual
> records (order them through your FHC = Family History Center, hire a
> researcher, or wait for them to come online).
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado Lineage

[Katharine]

Have you checked UMass-Dartmouth's database of Portuguese-American 
newspapers to see if you can find copies of the Imparcial online?  It might 
contain info re your ancestors.  (Sorry I don't have the link offhand, 
although Sonia Pacheco has posted here re it several times, so try 
searching on her name).

Also try contacting Sacramento's Portuguese Historical and Cultural Society:
www.sacramentophcs.com

Good luck!  Katharine.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Gayle Machado]

Mike,

Would you like to share your breakthrough info for those of us who have 
connections to Pico ?

Gayle



On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Mike  wrote:

> I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I have a 
> question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as the 
> Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm 
> wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate with 
> what they do have? 
> Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Michael Gilfilian]

Sure wheel when I get back to my laptop and not my phone I will...
On Jun 26, 2012 11:00 PM, "Gayle Machado"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Would you like to share your breakthrough info for those of us who have
> connections to Pico ?
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I
> have a question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as
> the Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm
> wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate
> with what they do have?
> Mike
>
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