RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[Sam Koester]

Hi Shirl;  It's E that earned your thanks as she is the first one to post
the link.  Interesting story though..

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirl Sereque
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:59 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

Thanks, Sam,  I read the article online and found it interesting!

- Shirl -

 

  _  

From: Sam Koester 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

Humph, interesting.  What's that song?  WE ARE FAMILY.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
"E" Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:48 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

The Sacramento Bee newspaper today, May 8, 2013 Page A8 there is a very
interesting article  that "Europeans appear to be more closely related than
previously thought. Scientists compared DNA samples from different parts of
the continent and found that most had common ancestors living just 1000
years ago." etc.  

"E"

 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] 1940 census information

[celeste perry]

Sometimes, the census information is correct and you would not know it.  In my 
case, I looked at the 1940 census when it first came out.  Not because I 
"needed" any information from the census.  At least I did not know there would 
be any information that interested me on this census.
 
What I found was that I was listed as living with my grandparents, my mother, 
her 2 sisters and a great aunt.  The surname was listed as Sobral on the first 
line before my grandfather's first name.  So far, so good.  All those living in 
the house were listed below and I was listed last.  Squeezed between my name 
and the name above me was the name De Azevedo.  The informant was my mother who 
was 20 years old at the time and who was not married when I was born.  
 
Of course, everyone listed was dead by this time (except me) and I could not 
ask anyone why I had never used the name De Azevedo in my entire life.  Not in 
school, not ever.  Before my mother married and I was adopted my surname was 
Sobral.  
 
There is a lot more to this confusing story and I was lucky to have had a 
grandmother who told me everything I might want to know when I grew up.  
However, I am positive that no one in the house knew my mother had said my 
surname was different from the family name.
 
As others have stated, census information is what the informant says and that 
may be confused by what the census taker thinks is said and what is heard.  In 
most cases, census information can be helpful in locating someone's residence 
and can lead to where to look for other clues and useful information.
Celeste, Hayward, CA 
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists

[Mary Bordi]

On May 9, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Scroll way over to the right.  The answer to question number 1 is there.  I 
> lucked out on that! (for those without a subscription to Ancestry, it says 
> "Obtained from a neighbor.  Could learn no more."

In 1970 we were to fill out our forms and a census taker was to pick up the 
forms in person. No one ever showed up. 

I don't know if I'll be around when those records become public but I think we 
will either not be listed or have information given by a neighbor. I am trying 
to remind my children about this every so often!

Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists

[Cheri Mello]

Jo Anne said:
<>

The census records are really only primary evidence for residence only.
Any other info gleaned from them is secondary evidence.  Census takers had
to be able to write.  They didn't have to spell correctly.  And in Hawaii
you have the special problem of many cultures coming together.  So if the
census taker was born in China and was sent to a Portuguese household, you
can imagine 2 different accents trying to communicate in English. At any
rate, whoever was home would answer the census taker's question.  And if
that meant the 10 year old, the 10 year old answered.  The 1940 census had
the census takers put an X by the name of the person who answered the
questions.  None of the other censuses did that.  If you do a lot of census
work, you can sometimes tell who answered the questions by following the
family through the census years.

The transcribed indices are a whole different problem.  Human error can be
introduced, especially with someone transcribing who is not familiar with
Portuguese names.  At Ancestry, you can submit a correction.  I was told
Ancestry outsourced the indexing to China, Sri Lanka, India, or high school
students.  I don't know which story is true, if any.  I do know that their
training of paleography is subpar.  I've seen Turner transcribed incorrectly!
And that's a real easy name!

Jo Anne continued:
<>

The only thing you can take as gospel is a primary source.  A primary
source is something that was issued at the time of the event. A birth
certificate is a primary source for a birth.  A death certificate is a
primary source for the death.  You can take the birth date off of the death
certificate, but that fact is a secondary source.  Secondary sources are
something that was issued AFTER the time of the event.

Most of our ancestors were illiterate.  They did not celebrate birthdays
like we do now with a cake and whatnot.  They weren't asked for their b
irthdate like we are when we fill out credit applications, banking forms, Dept
of Motor Vehicle stuff, employment applications, etc.  And some of our
ancestors used their baptism date as their birth date instead.

When I started doing genealogy 21 years ago, I initially signed up for a basic
genealogy class at my local adult school.  One of the things we were taught
was:
 1) Who said it?
 2) When did they say it?
 3) How did they know?

Take a look at this 1880 census (if you have a subscription to Ancestry):
goo.gl/9jNb7
If you are researching the John Bedford family (lines 9-15) in the 1880
census, you will know the answer to question 2 above.  It was stated in
1880.  But if you know that the husband and wife are about 15 years apart
in age, and their kids are William, ELIZABETH, Annie, LOLA, and Joseph, you
will be completely baffled that the census shows the husband and wife as
only 5 years apart and that their kids are William, MARY,  Annie, LOUISA,
and Joseph.  And the kids' ages are way off.  Scroll way over to the
right.  The answer to question number 1 is there.  I lucked out on that!
(for those without a subscription to Ancestry, it says "Obtained from a
neighbor.  Could learn no more."  And then you look at all their neighbors
(for those who can't view it, many are from Portugal, China, Russia, and
Canada).  I therefore have my answer to question 3: They neighbors really
didn't know.  They took their best guess.

You'll have to collect every piece of paper you can find on your
ancestors.  Hawaii is tougher because you are dealing with a U.S. territory
and a kingdom.  So things are a little different with Hawaiian research.
And if you can't find stuff on the husband, chase the wife around.  And ALL
their kids.  Not just your ancestor.  The information you need may be on a
different kids' record.

Hope this answers a couple of your questions.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Enos of Hawaii

[pico]

Correction. His family is from São Miguel, not Madeira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Enos of Hawaii
From: 
Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 2:39 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

The recent talk about ancestors in Hawaii reminded me of my own connection to one Manuel Enos.My father wrote to this list a few years ago the following message:I have in my files (info from funeral notices in the Sacramento Bee) some names which seem to match yours:Andrew Enos, d.1-1-1931, age 75, born S.Miguel=He married twice. By one wife he had these children:1. Marion Enos, d.11-11-1927, age 63, m. to Caroline Bettencourt, d.4-29-1922, age 53. Caroline also married a Nevis and had son Antone J. Nevis. The children of Marion Enos and Caroline Bettencourt:1. Thomas Marion Enos, d.7-23-1952, m.Lulu__, and had children Gene, Caroline & Jacqueline.2. Joseph  m.___; children Ronald and Joe3.Mary Enos, d.3.8-1949, m.Manuel MelloBy Andrew Enos' second wife Maria__, who d.1-27-1931. Children:1.Joseph Enos=Hazel Rabello, with child Margaret Enos who married twice, to a Wilson and to a Camponella.2.Manuel Enos, 1881-1962, married to Emilia Leal,widow of Jose Francisco Silveira (my grandparents).3.Mary Enos=Frank "Biscaia" Silva.4.John Enos5.Louis Enos d.10-8-1977,age 98.6Frank Enos=Rose Costa(?) d.7-21-1955(84), with children Emma, d.1-2-1986,age 87; Minnie, who married a Harder and a Hustak; Lillian R. Enos, d.1-5-1973, age 66, m.Arthur L. Williams; Ralph F. Enos, d.7-27-1995, b.1912, m. to Ruth__.I have some additional info if the above rings a bell.Lionel Rocha HolmesMy interest is in the above person named Manuel Enos, born in 1881 in Hawaii. As stated above, he married Emilia Cândida Leal who was the widow of José Francisco Silveira, my great-grandparents, natives of São Roque do Pico.José Francisco Silveira had died in a terrible accident involving horses on his ranch in the Pocket Area of Sacramento, along the Sacramento River, close to the place now called Silveira Way. Manuel Enos helped out on the farm and eventually married my great-grandmother. He was known to me as Grandpa Enos. His family was from Madeira, though he was born in Hawaii himself. It's been a while since I've tried to learn where in Madeira this family came from. I am sure the passport books were not yet published, so I could just look them up.Maybe someone on the list has some connection to this family and the above information could help them.We have at least one picture of him that a relative would probably like to see. It was taken about 1960 just a little before he died.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com  --   





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Enos of Hawaii

[pico]

The recent talk about ancestors in Hawaii reminded me of my own connection to one Manuel Enos.My father wrote to this list a few years ago the following message:I have in my files (info from funeral notices in the Sacramento Bee) some names which seem to match yours:Andrew Enos, d.1-1-1931, age 75, born S.Miguel=He married twice. By one wife he had these children:1. Marion Enos, d.11-11-1927, age 63, m. to Caroline Bettencourt, d.4-29-1922, age 53. Caroline also married a Nevis and had son Antone J. Nevis. The children of Marion Enos and Caroline Bettencourt:1. Thomas Marion Enos, d.7-23-1952, m.Lulu__, and had children Gene, Caroline & Jacqueline.2. Joseph  m.___; children Ronald and Joe3.Mary Enos, d.3.8-1949, m.Manuel MelloBy Andrew Enos' second wife Maria__, who d.1-27-1931. Children:1.Joseph Enos=Hazel Rabello, with child Margaret Enos who married twice, to a Wilson and to a Camponella.2.Manuel Enos, 1881-1962, married to Emilia Leal,widow of Jose Francisco Silveira (my grandparents).3.Mary Enos=Frank "Biscaia" Silva.4.John Enos5.Louis Enos d.10-8-1977,age 98.6Frank Enos=Rose Costa(?) d.7-21-1955(84), with children Emma, d.1-2-1986,age 87; Minnie, who married a Harder and a Hustak; Lillian R. Enos, d.1-5-1973, age 66, m.Arthur L. Williams; Ralph F. Enos, d.7-27-1995, b.1912, m. to Ruth__.I have some additional info if the above rings a bell.Lionel Rocha HolmesMy interest is in the above person named Manuel Enos, born in 1881 in Hawaii. As stated above, he married Emilia Cândida Leal who was the widow of José Francisco Silveira, my great-grandparents, natives of São Roque do Pico.José Francisco Silveira had died in a terrible accident involving horses on his ranch in the Pocket Area of Sacramento, along the Sacramento River, close to the place now called Silveira Way. Manuel Enos helped out on the farm and eventually married my great-grandmother. He was known to me as Grandpa Enos. His family was from Madeira, though he was born in Hawaii himself. It's been a while since I've tried to learn where in Madeira this family came from. I am sure the passport books were not yet published, so I could just look them up.Maybe someone on the list has some connection to this family and the above information could help them.We have at least one picture of him that a relative would probably like to see. It was taken about 1960 just a little before he died.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists

[Jo Anne Hartmann]

Hi Ed!  Thanks for the response.  I have tried doing the name game to find info 
and unfortunately my ancestors were not very creative at naming their kids!  
Manuel and Maria/Mary - go figure!  I should be looking for John and Jane Doe!  
Anyway, I have A WHOLE LOT OF INFO from California Census records about the 
family after they got to Cali.  I THINK I have info on Manuel/Mary in Hawaii in 
1900, but that is still debatable considering the number of Manuel's and Mary's 
living in Hawaii at that time!  

I don't think I'm as tenacious as many doing research.  I get too frustrated.  
Good thing I don't golf! I'd be broke buying new clubs.  I try not to beat on 
my computer!  Anyway, I  blow hot and cold on doing the research because of 
that!  Some info I've gotten through the message boards on Ancestry doesn't 
seem to fit datewise.  I follow one path then do the "math" and it doesn't 
compute, if you know what I mean.  

I will keep forging ahead, slowly.gotta keep the bloodpressure down!


 From: Edward Rodrigues 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
 


Jo Anneyes there are ships manifests list, ships index cards if you give me the 
full names I can try to locate them or try this web site 
http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library?a=p&p=about&c=indextop&l=en&w=utf-8
    you punch in the names of passenger and they will give you the information.
Ed  







On May 9, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote:

What are the names of your grandfather and grandmother's parents, that went to 
Hawaii???
>Also the names of your grandfather Mello, and your grandmother medeiros.
> 
>Shirley in CA
>- Original Message -
>>From: Jo Anne Hartmann
>>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:28 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
>>
>>
>>Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883?  I believe my grandfather Mello 
>>and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as children from Sao 
>>Miguel...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: "p...@dholmes.com" 
>>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16 PM
>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
>>
>>
>>
>>Just added a part of another ship:
>>
>>
>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html
>>
>>
>>These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as more 
>>from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also 
>>Terceira, etc.
>>
>>
>>Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC.
>>
>>
>>Enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
>>Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>Sacramento, California
>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>>916-550-1618
>>www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message 
>>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
>>>From: 
>>>Date: Tue, April 09, 2013 3:51 pm
>>>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>Many more new ship lists added over the past week again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete.
>>>
>>>
>>>Only 1 remains for 1896.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>>Sacramento, California
>>>Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>>>916-550-1618
>>>www.dholmes.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
From: 
Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 1:10 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of the San 
Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my website.


The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good recognition 
of Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by Ancestry.com and Ellis 
Island Foundation/LDS.


While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a guide 
and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of the 
person you seek, it is overall much more likely that the extracted ships I 
have (now am up to 78 ships) will quickly allow you to find them if they 
arrived on one of these extracted ships.


Find them all here:


http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html


And if you decide you want to add your name to the growing list of 
volunteers, I can direct you to pick a ship or two for your own extraction. 
Maybe you'll even get hooked like Mr. Nicolau. I think he's done maybe 40 
ships now. There are many more he has extracted that I have not yet 
uploaded.



Happy hunting.



Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists

[Jo Anne Hartmann]

Hi Shirley,  I think we spoke on the phone many months ago about this very 
thing.  I haven't been in town and not spending much time doing research, but 
just got back and tried looking stuff up again.

My grandfather/grandmothers parents names are a mystery to me.  I have NO idea. 
 I'm trying to find a needle in a haystack.  I have some info from other people 
doing research that may or may not be connected to me.  I'm sure you understand 
the "maybe" factor especially with such sketchy info.  Manuel Fragoso (?) Mello 
and Maria Medeiros Mello.  At some point, they all lived in Honokaa, HI as that 
is where my father, Ernest was born.  He was one of many, many kids! (13-16?) 
Most were born in Hawaii and the youngest were born in California.  Have never 
found birth records for Dad - he was born on October 11, 1901.  The oldest son, 
Joseph Fragoso Mello was born in Hawaii on Aug. 31, 1890 and died on Mar. 4, 
1944 in California.

>From the 1910 Calif Census, Manuel F. Mello was born in 1866 in Portugal (they 
>never say Azores) and Maria/Mary was born in 1875.  It says they were married 
>(in Hawaii, I'm assuming) in 1888. 

1910 Census also says Mary immigrated in 1883I don't know how much of the 
census" records are correct.  Info seems to change from census to census.I have 
"other" info from someone researching on Ancestry.com that Manuel was 5 when in 
came to HI and Maria was 18mo.old in 1881. None of this fits.With the names 
I think things have gotten all co-mingled with other family lines.

If I can believe the info on the 1910 census, grandfather Manuel F. would have 
been 15 yrs. old and grandmother Maria/Mary would have been 8 yrs. old.  

I found on one of the ships manifests a "STOWAWAY" by name of Manuel F. Mello 
(I think it was in 1881) but it didn't say any age or anything else!

The census records have many mistakes by way of transcription.  The latest, 
`1940 census, shows my parents listed as "Mills"Sheesh!

I have info from the 1900 Hawaiian census that shows a Manuel Mello, B/D 1868 
in Portugal immigrated to HI in 1887! married to Mary in 1889 - now do I take 
that as gospel?  I'm ready to throw up my hands on this!  Dates seem to float 
up and down.  Geez when they interviewed these people don't they know their own 
birthdate?  Why do they keep changing, if, in fact, they are the same people?





 From: Shirley Allegre 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
 


 
What are the names of your grandfather and 
grandmother's parents, that went to Hawaii???
Also the names of your grandfather 
Mello, and your grandmother medeiros.
 
Shirley in CA
- Original Message - 
>From: Jo Anne  Hartmann 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:28  AM
>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]  Portuguese passenger lists
>
>
>Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883?  I believe my  grandfather Mello 
>and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as  children from Sao 
>Miguel...
>
>
>
>
> From: "p...@dholmes.com" 
>To: azores@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16  PM
>Subject: RE:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
>
>
>
>Just added a part of another ship:
>
>
>http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html 
>
>
>These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as  more 
>from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also  
>Terceira, etc.
>
>
>Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC.
>
>
>Enjoy.
>
>
>
>Doug da Rocha Holmes
>Sacramento, California
>Pico & Terceira 
  Genealogist
>916-550-1618
>www.dholmes.com
>
>
>
> Original Message  
>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger 
lists
>>From: 
>>Date: Tue, 
April 09, 2013 3:51 pm
>>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>>Many more new ship lists added over the past week again.
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html
>>
>>
>>
>>1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete. 
>>
>>
>>Only 1 remains for 1896.
>>
>>
>>
>>Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>Sacramento, California
>>Pico & Terceira 
Genealogist
>>916-550-1618
>>www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message  
>>>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger 
  lists
>>>From: 
>>>Date: Thu, 
  April 04, 2013 1:10 am
>>>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of  the San 
>>>Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my  website.
>>>
>>>
>>>The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good  recognition 
>>>of Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by Ancestry.com and Ellis 
>>>Island Foundation/LDS.
>>>
>>>
>>>While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a  guide 
>>>and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of  the 
>>>person you seek, it 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists

[Edward Rodrigues]

Jo Anne
yes there are ships manifests list, ships index cards if you give me the full 
names I can try to locate them or try this web site 
http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library?a=p&p=about&c=indextop&l=en&w=utf-8
you punch in the names of passenger and they will give you the information.
Ed  






On May 9, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote:

> What are the names of your grandfather and grandmother's parents, that went 
> to Hawaii???
> Also the names of your grandfather Mello, and your grandmother medeiros.
>  
> Shirley in CA
> - Original Message -
> From: Jo Anne Hartmann
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
> 
> Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883?  I believe my grandfather Mello 
> and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as children from Sao 
> Miguel...
> 
> From: "p...@dholmes.com" 
> To: azores@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16 PM
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
> 
> Just added a part of another ship:
> 
> http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html
> 
> These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as more 
> from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also 
> Terceira, etc.
> 
> Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
> From: 
> Date: Tue, April 09, 2013 3:51 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Many more new ship lists added over the past week again.
> 
> http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html
> 
> 1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete.
> 
> Only 1 remains for 1896.
> 
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
> From: 
> Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 1:10 am
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of the San 
> Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my website.
> 
> The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good recognition of 
> Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by Ancestry.com and Ellis 
> Island Foundation/LDS.
> 
> While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a guide 
> and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of the person 
> you seek, it is overall much more likely that the extracted ships I have (now 
> am up to 78 ships) will quickly allow you to find them if they arrived on one 
> of these extracted ships.
> 
> Find them all here:
> 
> http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html
> 
> And if you decide you want to add your name to the growing list of 
> volunteers, I can direct you to pick a ship or two for your own extraction. 
> Maybe you'll even get hooked like Mr. Nicolau. I think he's done maybe 40 
> ships now. There are many more he has extracted that I have not yet uploaded.
> 
> Happy hunting.
> 
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Some Needed Translation Help

[David Perry]

Thanks Doug for your suggestions.  As for the priest writing the wrong 
first name, that's possible though in this case he also apparently wrote 
down the wrong place of birth.  Some years ago I scoured these records at 
my local FHC but came up empty.  As you know, the records we all have 
direct access to peter out around 1600 so the pickin's are slim.  I'll look 
again.
David Perry

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:01:30 AM UTC-7, David Perry wrote:

> For fifteen years I've been trying to get my Rego Balaya lines back to the 
> original Rego Baldayas of the 1500s with no success.  My earliest record is 
> a marriage of Belchoir Baldaya to Maria Franca from 1623 in the Lagoa 
> (Rosario) section of the online "Direcao Regional da Cultura" site we're 
> all familiar with.  My only remaining option is maybe I'm reading the 
> record incorrectly.  Would someone be so kind as to take a look at the 
> record and tell me what they see?  I can read the other names but I'm 
> unsure of the relationships - parents, godparents?
>  
> The record is under Casamentos, 1594 - 1683, it's record number 0052, and 
> it's on the lower half of the the page.  
>  
> Many thanks in advance,
> David Perry
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists

[Shirley Allegre]

What are the names of your grandfather and grandmother's parents, that went to 
Hawaii???
Also the names of your grandfather Mello, and your grandmother medeiros.

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jo Anne Hartmann 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 10:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists


  Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883?  I believe my grandfather Mello 
and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as children from Sao 
Miguel...



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  From: "p...@dholmes.com" 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists



  Just added a part of another ship:


  http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html 


  These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as more 
from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also Terceira, 
etc.


  Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC.


  Enjoy.



  Doug da Rocha Holmes
  Sacramento, California
  Pico & Terceira Genealogist
  916-550-1618
  www.dholmes.com



 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
From: 
Date: Tue, April 09, 2013 3:51 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com


Many more new ship lists added over the past week again.



http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html



1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete. 


Only 1 remains for 1896.



Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com




   Original Message 
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
  From: 
  Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 1:10 am
  To: azores@googlegroups.com


  Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of the 
San Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my website.


  The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good recognition 
of Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by Ancestry.com and Ellis 
Island Foundation/LDS.


  While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a 
guide and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of the 
person you seek, it is overall much more likely that the extracted ships I have 
(now am up to 78 ships) will quickly allow you to find them if they arrived on 
one of these extracted ships.


  Find them all here:


  http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html 


  And if you decide you want to add your name to the growing list of 
volunteers, I can direct you to pick a ship or two for your own extraction. 
Maybe you'll even get hooked like Mr. Nicolau. I think he's done maybe 40 ships 
now. There are many more he has extracted that I have not yet uploaded.



  Happy hunting.



  Doug da Rocha Holmes
  Sacramento, California
  Pico & Terceira Genealogist
  916-550-1618
  www.dholmes.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[Shirl Sereque]

Thanks, Sam,  I read the article online and found it interesting!
- Shirl -




 From: Sam Koester 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA 
results
 


Humph, interesting.  What’s that song?  WE ARE FAMILY…
 
From:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of "E" 
Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:48 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA 
results
 
The Sacramento Bee newspaper today, May 8, 2013 Page A8 there is a very 
interesting article  that "Europeans appear to be more closely related than 
previously thought. Scientists compared DNA samples from different parts of the 
continent and found that most had common ancestors living just 1000 years ago." 
etc.  
"E"
 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Frank Patrick Holmes

[nancy jean baptiste]

A correction to my earlier post.Frank Holmeswe match many names on Sao 
Jorge.  Nancy Jean 
 From: p...@dholmes.com
To: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: Frank Patrick Holmes
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:11 -0700

Hi Nancy,
I think someone once mentioned Frank Holmes to me, but I didn't realize he has 
Pico ancestors.Can you identify the one who immigrated from there?
I don't show him as a link, but if he connects to Judy's relative, and I 
connect to her, maybe there is still a remote link between us that DNA doesn't 
show.
Was his Holmes name originally Homem, like mine? Or does he have English 
ancestry?

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618www.dholmes.com




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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA

results

From: nancy jean baptiste 

Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am

To: azores group  
 
With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share 
many of the same names on Pico.  
 

  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[pico]

It's interesting that the longest block is always exactly the same for parent/child results.Thanks for the uncle/niece info. That's surprising.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results
From: nancy jean baptiste 
Date: Thu, May 09, 2013 7:51 am
To: azores group 

   This is interesting in that the parent to child CM's are all around 3383 and my match with my Uncle Johnny, my dad's brother, is a bit less than 1/2 of that at 1474.99 with the longest block being 88.67. I have a strong match with A. Rose at 84.36 Cm and 19.26 block. Judy Thompson manages this and we're looking at connections as of yet undetermined. With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share many of the same names on Pico. Two more Pico connections, as yet undetermined but sharing many names, are Kathleen Allen at 45.93 CM's and 10.26 block and Vivian Christy with 45.17 and 9.74...my intuition says this is a 3 way Pico connection and I suspect a few more match connections will show up here. Today, I'll use the Chromosome Browser to overlay some of these and see if they reveal anything. I have many more FF matches but these are the strongest. It would be interesting if my 5 siblings would all test and to look at the different match patterns.in our family we reflect my mothers Enos line from Sao Jorge, both male and female and my dad's Pico line of de Castro and Furtado Cardoso's through looks and healthseeing that with DNA would be interesting! Enjoying learning during this exciting time of DNA research! Nancy Jean BaptistaFamily Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA ProjectFrom: rfrancispimen...@comcast.netTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA resultsDate: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:36:54 -0500My sister and my dad have 3383.24 CM shared and the longest being 267.21 cm. RickFamily Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project Azores DNA Project Co-AdministratorsAll unpaid volunteers Cherri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com  From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary BordiSent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:40 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results On May 8, 2013, at 4:26 PM,  wrote: The closest match other than a sibling would be to a parent. I have a total of 3382.22 shared cM with my father and the longest solid block of this cM is 267.21. I would love to hear from anyone who has tested a parent/child combo to see if my exact number is the same as yours.  My daughter and I have 3381.65. cM shared with the longest block being 267.21. So pretty close. My mom will be testing soon, too.My next closest (and so far undocumented) are probable 3rd cousins with 50 to 72 shared cM.This has been interesting! Thanks Doug.Mary--  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[nancy jean baptiste]

This is interesting in that the parent to child CM's are all around 3383 and my 
match with my Uncle Johnny, my dad's brother, is a bit less than 1/2 of that at 
1474.99 with the longest block being 88.67. I have a strong match with A. Rose 
at 84.36 Cm and 19.26 block. Judy Thompson manages this and we're looking at 
connections as of yet undetermined. With Frank Patrick Holmes 49.55 and 
31.64...ftdna predicts 3rd cousin. We share many of the same names on Pico. Two 
more Pico connections, as yet undetermined but sharing many names, are Kathleen 
Allen at 45.93 CM's and 10.26 block and Vivian Christy with 45.17 and 
9.74...my intuition says this is a 3 way Pico connection and I suspect a 
few more match connections will show up here. Today, I'll use the Chromosome 
Browser to overlay some of these and see if they reveal anything. I have many 
more FF matches but these are the strongest. It would be interesting if my 5 
siblings would all test and to look at the different match patterns.in our 
family we reflect my mothers Enos line from Sao Jorge, both male and female and 
my dad's Pico line of de Castro and Furtado Cardoso's through looks and 
healthseeing that with DNA would be interesting! Enjoying learning during 
this exciting time of DNA research! Nancy Jean BaptistaFamily Tree DNA 
Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project   
 From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:36:54 -0500

My sister and my dad have 3383.24 CM shared and the longest being 267.21 cm. 
RickFamily Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project Azores DNA Project Co-AdministratorsAll unpaid volunteers 
Cherri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com Nancy 
Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com  From: azores@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:40 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA 
results On May 8, 2013, at 4:26 PM,  wrote: The closest match 
other than a sibling would be to a parent. I have a total of 3382.22 shared cM 
with my father and the longest solid block of this cM is 267.21. I would love 
to hear from anyone who has tested a parent/child combo to see if my exact 
number is the same as yours.  My daughter and I have 3381.65. cM shared with 
the longest block being 267.21. So pretty close. My mom will be testing soon, 
too.

My next closest (and so far undocumented) are probable 3rd cousins with 50 to 
72 shared cM.

This has been interesting! Thanks Doug.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

My sister and my dad have 3383.24 CM shared and the longest being 267.21 cm.

 

Rick

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

 

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators

All unpaid volunteers 

Cherri Mello -   gfsche...@gmail.com 

Rick Pimentel -   rickredle...@gmail.com 

Nancy Jean Baptista -  
fishsongf...@hotmail.com 

 

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Mary Bordi
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:40 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA
results

 

On May 8, 2013, at 4:26 PM,  wrote:

 

The closest match other than a sibling would be to a parent. I have a total
of 3382.22 shared cM with my father and the longest solid block of this cM
is 267.21. I would love to hear from anyone who has tested a parent/child
combo to see if my exact number is the same as yours. 

 

My daughter and I have 3381.65. cM shared with the longest block being
267.21. So pretty close. My mom will be testing soon, too.





My next closest (and so far undocumented) are probable 3rd cousins with 50
to 72 shared cM.





This has been interesting! Thanks Doug.





Mary

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA due date

[Pam Santos]

That is good thanks


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> They pad things a little bit to give themselves some wiggle room.  As soon
> as they have some panels, they do start to release them to you.  So you
> could start to see things as early as 4 weeks.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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