Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

2013-07-02 Thread Cheri Mello 
Cindy D,

DNA does have quite a learning curve.  And yes, you do feel like a deer in
the headlights.  I do lecturing.  One of my topics is DNA.  I had one
person tell me it was her 5th DNA lecture she attended and that it was
finally coming together.  It's not easy.  It takes awhile.  Check out your
local genealogy society.  If they have meetings they probably bring in a
speaker.  Find out when they have a DNA speaker and go.  Also, if you go to
genealogy conferences, go to the DNA classes.  Go to your public library
and check out "Trace Your Roots with DNA" by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and
Ann Turner (no, I did not type Smolenyak twice.  She married a Smolenyak
and they are not related).  Although the book is a little out of date now,
you can still get a lot out of it on Y and mtDNA.  I summarized it and
posted it to the list years ago.  The summary is on the Azores GenWeb here:
http://goo.gl/myBNk  The book is better though because of the
illustrations.  Back then, they didn't think we could make autosomal DNA
(Family Finder) useful.  My, what a difference a few years makes.

You said:
<>
LOL, no ears on your hip (FTDNA doesn't get into the medical stuff).  But I
need to know where you are reading no missing info or the extra info.  You
mentioned both autosomal and mtDNA, so I need to know which one.

DYS means *D*NA *Y* *S*egment. That's part of Y-DNA.  I thought you tested
Family Finder and mtDNA.  Or were you in the Frequently Asked Questions? On
in the Interactive Tour where it shows you everything?  No wonder you are
confused!

Cheri Mello
Azores DNA

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea

2013-07-02 Thread Cheri Mello 
Doreen,

Some of those distant matches seem to be not right at all.  The only thing
I can think of is that someone has the surname of Miller (or something
Anglicized) and they find something in the British Isles and their research
is wrong.

I try to connect with those who have the most centoMorgans or have large
blocks.  I'll get to the 5th - Distant level if I see some relevant.  I'm
not going to bother if their trees don't seem to have anything in common
with mine.


Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea

2013-07-02 Thread Cheri Mello 
Doug,

Asking FTDNA for complete access to their database would be like me asking
you to put your Pico and Terceira databases on your website for the world
to research.  We both know that's not going to happen! LOL

You don't have access to kit numbers. You have access to names.  You want
to know who you match?  You find their name on your matches list to the
left of the Chromosome Browser.  You can filter that list too so you don't
have to wade through so many pages.

If you and Doreen's most common ancestor was born 400 years ago, Family
Finder will not detect that.  FTDNA only promises 5 generations from the
testee, but it's more like 200 years.  400 years is too far back.

Here's some stuff from the FAQ:
http://goo.gl/8eMJf

And while your at it, read up on Identity By Descent (IBD).  Or google it.
Genetics is not as easy and looking for patterns.  http://goo.gl/0TGTq

Hope this helps.

Cheri Mello
Azores DNA

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

2013-07-02 Thread Ralph Sellars 
God Bless you Cindy: 
 
Amen!
 
You've said it all so poetically !  All of it ! 
 
I have been avoiding my Mothers Azores Lewis line since 1982 for the obvious 
reasons.
 
I had my wife's brother do the  SMITH Y DNA test years ago.   I get reports 
periodically saying a new match.  When I compare the numbers - they don't match 
?    I use to write to the people and provide my history  and only ONCE, 
(THAT'S #1) did I get a response saying its not me but good luck in your 
research.  So I just ignore them now! 
 
Last year I hired Joao Ventura, a member of this group, a genealogist in the 
Azores, and asked him if he could help.  With the information I gave him he 
identified  an individual and his family line that may be my great grand 
father. The name turns out to be Agostinho Jose' da Silveira, Capt.b: c1780 
Cedros, Flores Island, Azores, Portugal.
 
HELLO COUSIN -  yes? no? may be!  ?
 
Well anyway nice hearing from you.  If we live long enough may be the pieces 
will come together. (will have to be sooner rather than later !)  
 
Keep the faith. 

Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. 
E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com
 



From: Cindy D 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:41 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report





I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group.  I 
cannot "get" this DNA thing.  

I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and happy 
cousin matches and wanted to be counted too.

Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is Flores 
and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to Poland)...and 
waited on pins and needles for my results.  They finally came in last week and 
I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and reports like a deer in the 
headlights.  What does all this mean??  I've tried to read up on some of this 
but it's like trying to read a Jackson Pollock painting.  I've gone back and 
forth with all the generous information that is posted here, but still, all I 
have are numbers with no meaning (to me).  The few distant cousin matches make 
no sense to me and are not from where I'd expect.  Charts, numbers, groups, 
typesmust be cool to understand it all.

 One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have extra 
infoso??  What does this mean?  Will I be growing an extra ear on my hip??  
  Agh!!

I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll admit. 
But the rest... I dunno.

I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada.  Every day I 
open this stuff up and look again.  Am I getting too old to learn something 
new?  Perhaps.

I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science 
junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my 
Azorean roots.  The name changing process has me stumped so how would I ever 
know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing.

 I want all this primarily because  I have two very troubling family stories 
that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all.  I am getting 
nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all sorted out 
about how to connect and manage all this information.  

I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for someone 
else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone and say 
anything that makes sense.  I joined your project, hopefully this will click 
eventually, somehow.

So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that explains 
each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to?  And if my charted gene 
matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means??   I'd sure like to 
know what my "extra" genes mean as well.  I wonder if maybe one of those is the 
"idiot" gene.  LOL?

Cindy D
Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too rainy, 
too dry, too annoying

Pimentel-Flores
da Silva-Sao Miguel
Silva-Santa Maria (I think)
de Jesus-Flores (I think)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

2013-07-02 Thread Linda Jardin 
Tony,

Thank you so much for this information!  I am so excited to have a new
avenue to explore.  I will definitely write for the record.  

 

Linda  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of antonia...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:02 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

 

 Linda:  

 

Santa Luzia...Feteiras...S. Miguel  RE: Maria b Oct 1894 ...child of
Antonio Ferreira and Isabel de Jesus..

 

The last dates for Feteiras birth records on film are the Civil Records
1853-1882.   Therefore, unless you make a trip to S. Miguel you will
have to write for the record.  

 

Others on the list can give you information as where to write for the
record and also the cost.  

 

Tony

 

I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather Lenor de
Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on February
5th 1895 destination Hawaii.  They were married in 1893, had a child
Maria born in  October 1894.  Passport record identifies his parents as
Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras.  I am looking for
information prior to their leaving the Azores.  Family stories say that
Lenor was in an orphanage and later taken back by her aunt (name at this
point unknown).  Any suggestions on where to go from here?

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

2013-07-02 Thread Denis Meals 
Cindy: We're all village idiots when it comes to this stuff though
you're the only one with enough humor to admit it!
Just my opinion,
Denis


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Cindy,
>
> If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I only ask because that
> could have a major impact on what your results show. If you are 23 and have
> living relatives who are elderly, then you should get them tested. They
> will have more matches than you.
>
> Another thing, how much research have you done? How far back have you
> traced your people from all four sides? Of course, only the Portuguese
> sides will be of interest here.
>
> I can say that there are relatively few who have tested who have Santa
> Maria ancestors. But there are many with Sao Miguel. And some from Flores,
> but I don't know if a lot.
>
> Do you have any matches with anyone other than mysterious people who don't
> seem to be Portuguese? I have some of those for my father (mostly all
> Portuguese) and tons of mysterious matches which must be coming from my
> mother's German and Hungarian sides. Most have not done much genealogy and
> didn't post a gedcom. But some did and I still don't have any clue how we
> connect. I think it would be a connection beyond what church records allow
> us to show. In Hungary, I exhausted one side of my tree when I reached the
> early 1700s. But from my experience with Family Finder, it can show 400
> years or more and if that is how these remote connections are showing,
> we'll never likely find it.
>
> It reminds me of one person with no known Portuguese ancestry, I believe
> with Kentucky area roots, who is a fairly close match by DNA. I wonder if
> she descends from Melungeons.
>
> I am willing to look at your results, not that I'm any expert on them, but
> since I have so many matches and have done so much research on all my
> sides, maybe I will detect something of interest. Just tell me privately,
> of course. (p...@dholmes.com)
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
> From: Cindy D 
> Date: Tue, July 02, 2013 8:41 am
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group.
> I cannot "get" this DNA thing.
>
> I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and
> happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too.
>
> Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is
> Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to
> Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results.  They finally came
> in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and
> reports like a deer in the headlights.  What does all this mean??  I've
> tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson
> Pollock painting.  I've gone back and forth with all the generous
> information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no
> meaning (to me).  The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and
> are not from where I'd expect.  Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be
> cool to understand it all.
>
>  One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have
> extra infoso??  What does this mean?  Will I be growing an extra ear on
> my hip??Agh!!
>
> I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll
> admit. But the rest... I dunno.
>
> I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada.  Every
> day I open this stuff up and look again.  Am I getting too old to learn
> something new?  Perhaps.
>
> I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science
> junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my
> Azorean roots.  The name changing process has me stumped so how would I
> ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing.
>
>  I want all this primarily because  I have two very troubling family
> stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all.  I am
> getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all
> sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information.
>
> I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for
> someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone
> and say anything that makes sense.  I joined your project, hopefully this
> will click eventually, somehow.
>
> So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that
> explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to?  And if my
> charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means??
>  I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well.  I wonder if
> maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene.  LOL?
>
> Cindy D
> Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too

[AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

2013-07-02 Thread Antoniacos 
Linda:  
 
Santa Luzia...Feteiras...S. Miguel  RE: Maria b Oct 1894 ...child of  
Antonio Ferreira and Isabel de Jesus..
 
The last dates for Feteiras birth records on film are the Civil Records  
1853-1882.   Therefore, unless you make a trip to S. Miguel you will  have to 
write for the record.  
 
Others on the list can give you information as where to write for the  
record and also the cost.  
 
Tony
 
 
I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather  Lenor de Jesus 
and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on February  5th 1895 
destination Hawaii.  They were married in 1893, had a  child Maria born in  
October 1894.  Passport record identifies his  parents as Manuel Ferreira 
and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras.  I am looking  for information prior to their 
leaving the Azores.  Family stories say that  Lenor was in an orphanage and 
later taken back by her aunt (name at this point  unknown).  Any 
suggestions on where to go from here? 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea

2013-07-02 Thread Sandra Valine Dauer 
When I tested my parent's DNA before Family Finder, only a couple of
possible matches from the Azores.   Only after I requested the Family
Finder tests on my parent's DNA, the Azores / Portuguese matches
occurred. I try to keep in mind the Azores were settled and immigrants came
and went, all kinds of ships stopped and some decided to stay in the
Azores.  My Dad's maternal side gives me the most world - wide matches.  I
am glad I did the basic YDNA and mtDNA because I learned their hapogroup.


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:58 AM, rondo ranch  wrote:

>  What does not make sense is that I have distant matches for people who
> are not even Portuguese.  So do my relatives and they are not they same
> people. ? I have tried to determine where the connections are and some
> of these people have very complete trees and are not Portuguese.
> -Original Message-
> From: p...@dholmes.com
> Sent: Jul 1, 2013 10:04 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea
>
> 
> Hi Cheri, Rick and Pam,
>
> I just had an idea that could greatly help us with Azores ancestry in
> regards this Family Finder test.
>
> Next chance you get, talk to the owner of FTDNA and try to convince him to
> make a new option.
>
> It would be great to compare anyone else who has tested with the
> Chromosome Browser. Just enter in their kit number for the comparison.
>
> The reason is that I find it hard to believe there would be no matching
> segments between my results and those of Doreen and her two cousins who
> tested. I have already proven we are related on paper. Sure, the amount of
> DNA we share falls below the threshold of 7cm. Maybe it's 6.5cm since most
> common ancestors were born about 400 years ago. But there are a lot of
> common ancestors. They just don't happen to add up.
>
> What do you think?
>
> While you're at it, maybe they can increase the options for 7th and 8th
> cousins, and more.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
> 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

2013-07-02 Thread pico 
Hi Cindy,If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I only ask because that could have a major impact on what your results show. If you are 23 and have living relatives who are elderly, then you should get them tested. They will have more matches than you.Another thing, how much research have you done? How far back have you traced your people from all four sides? Of course, only the Portuguese sides will be of interest here.I can say that there are relatively few who have tested who have Santa Maria ancestors. But there are many with Sao Miguel. And some from Flores, but I don't know if a lot.Do you have any matches with anyone other than mysterious people who don't seem to be Portuguese? I have some of those for my father (mostly all Portuguese) and tons of mysterious matches which must be coming from my mother's German and Hungarian sides. Most have not done much genealogy and didn't post a gedcom. But some did and I still don't have any clue how we connect. I think it would be a connection beyond what church records allow us to show. In Hungary, I exhausted one side of my tree when I reached the early 1700s. But from my experience with Family Finder, it can show 400 years or more and if that is how these remote connections are showing, we'll never likely find it.It reminds me of one person with no known Portuguese ancestry, I believe with Kentucky area roots, who is a fairly close match by DNA. I wonder if she descends from Melungeons.I am willing to look at your results, not that I'm any expert on them, but since I have so many matches and have done so much research on all my sides, maybe I will detect something of interest. Just tell me privately, of course. (p...@dholmes.com)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
From: Cindy D 
Date: Tue, July 02, 2013 8:41 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

 I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group.  I cannot "get" this DNA thing.   I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too. Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results.  They finally came in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and reports like a deer in the headlights.  What does all this mean??  I've tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson Pollock painting.  I've gone back and forth with all the generous information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no meaning (to me).  The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and are not from where I'd expect.  Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be cool to understand it all.  One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have extra infoso??  What does this mean?  Will I be growing an extra ear on my hip??    Agh!! I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll admit. But the rest... I dunno. I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada.  Every day I open this stuff up and look again.  Am I getting too old to learn something new?  Perhaps. I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my Azorean roots.  The name changing process has me stumped so how would I ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing.  I want all this primarily because  I have two very troubling family stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all.  I am getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information.   I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone and say anything that makes sense.  I joined your project, hopefully this will click eventually, somehow. So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to?  And if my charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means??   I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well.  I wonder if maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene.  LOL? Cindy DOut here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too rainy, too dry, too annoying Pimentel-Floresda Silva-Sao MiguelSilva-Santa Maria (I think)de Jesus-Flores (I think)    --  For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join th

[AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report

2013-07-02 Thread Cindy D 
 
I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group.  I 
cannot "get" this DNA thing.  
 
I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and happy 
cousin matches and wanted to be counted too.
 
Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is 
Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to 
Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results.  They finally came 
in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and 
reports like a deer in the headlights.  What does all this mean??  I've 
tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson 
Pollock painting.  I've gone back and forth with all the generous 
information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no 
meaning (to me).  The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and 
are not from where I'd expect.  Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be 
cool to understand it all.
 
 One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have 
extra infoso??  What does this mean?  Will I be growing an extra ear on 
my hip??Agh!!
 
I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll 
admit. But the rest... I dunno.
 
I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada.  Every day 
I open this stuff up and look again.  Am I getting too old to learn 
something new?  Perhaps.
 
I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science 
junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my 
Azorean roots.  The name changing process has me stumped so how would I 
ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing.
 
 I want all this primarily because  I have two very troubling family 
stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all.  I am 
getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all 
sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information.  
 
I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for 
someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone 
and say anything that makes sense.  I joined your project, hopefully this 
will click eventually, somehow.
 
So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that explains 
each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to?  And if my charted gene 
matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means??   I'd sure 
like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well.  I wonder if maybe one of 
those is the "idiot" gene.  LOL?
 
Cindy D
Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too 
rainy, too dry, too annoying
 
Pimentel-Flores
da Silva-Sao Miguel
Silva-Santa Maria (I think)
de Jesus-Flores (I think)
 
 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

2013-07-02 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Hi Doreen,

 

If you test two uncles that are brother then the results will be mostly the
same.

If you test two uncles that are distant cousins the results will show closer
relationships than they actually are and there will be less matches that are
the same.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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rondo ranch
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:39 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

 

Thanks Richard, so I should continue to test first cousins just ones that
are one removed.  I was think of trying to test uncles but since all sides
of my tree are related back about 10 generations, through the people I
mentioned in the previous email, they will show up are related. Right?
Doreen

-Original Message- 
From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Jul 1, 2013 3:15 PM 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder 

Hi Doreen, 

 

This is part of what I posted last week

 

"I then realized that there was a way to sort out the two sides
of the family by doing another family finder test. What I needed to do was
test one of my dad's 1st cousins. This was a big challenge. As my dad is 93
and most of his cousins are now gone. One of his cousins I ruled out because
both his parents were related to my dad's parents. (Brother & Sister
marrying Sister and Brother). Two other living 1st cousins  were also 100%
Azorean from Sao Miguel so there was a clear chance that there could be some
crossover DNA.  On my last trip to New England I attended a funeral of one
of my Dads Cousins and with a sense of purpose I talked with his youngest
1st Cousin about DNA Testing. This cousin was the perfect candidate for
testing as her father was my dad's Uncle (100% Azorean from Ribeira Grande
Area) and her mother was 100% French Canadian so there was no chance of
crossover of the two sides. I ordered a Family Finder test for her and it is
now at the lab being processed.

 

When I get the results back I will be able to sort the matches.

 

All matches that are on both Family Finder tests (my Dads and his 1st
Cousin) are from my Grandfathers family in Ribeira Grande.

 

All matches that are on my Dads Family Finder test that are not on his 1st
Cousins are from my Grandmothers family in Bretanha & Ponta Delgada."

 

Is this what you had in mind?  

 

First off I would do the same generation in other words 1st Cousin or 2nd
Cousins, by using a first cousin and a first cousin once removed you are
going  to skew the results. The one further up on the tree may not show
matches of the one further down on the tree on the same line.

 

If you can do what I did above you will have some clear matches that you can
attribute to one or the other person tested. If all you have are from one
Island such as Sao Miguel I would try to use people from different villages
such as Mosteios and Achada that would lessen the chances of any crossover.
If you are dealing with any of the smaller islands then the chances of
crossover is much greater. I hope that helps in choosing who to test.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

2013-07-02 Thread rondo ranch 



Thanks for the info Cheri.  I had not been getting the testee trees before testing.  (Some do not have complete trees for both side).  I was just going on what they said then construction tree after the test for their GEDcom tree later.  From now on I will get completed trees before testing. Doreen 
 -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello Sent: Jul 1, 2013 2:32 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder 





Doreen CJ,Yes, FTDNA says that the Family Finder goes back 5 generations.  But it's more like 200 years back from the birth of the testee.Having the same people in your DNA make up will mess up the prediction.  Shirley Allegre and I are cousins 12? different ways - something like that.  Because we kept getting the same DNA over and over again, she was predicted as a closer cousin than she really was (I marked her as a 4th cousin because that's the closest).  I did get a DNA match the other day from a 1696 ancestor (I'm born 1964).  My DNA should go back to about the 1760s. The reason I got that match was that there was an American cousin marriage and my dad passed down most of that particular DNA intact.  I'm not entirely sure what you mean by isolating the genes.  Eventually, you'll be able to phase data if you have tested a person and their parents (or do partial phasing if you tested the person and 1 parent).  If you meant by isolating the LINES, then you'd have to pick a cousin that does NOT come from ANY of the intermarried lines.  You'd have to have that cousin's pedigree back about 200 years on ALL lines to make sure that cousin DOESN'T come from any of those intermarriages.If your goal is to balance out cousins on your dad's side versus your mom's side, you could do that.  If you want to see how, say, a 4th cousin on paper plays out in the DNA world, then test that cousin.  I don't know how much that helps.  If it gives you any idea on clarifying your goal, then I guess I did help!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

2013-07-02 Thread rondo ranch 



Thanks Richard, so I should continue to test first cousins just ones that are one removed.  I was think of trying to test uncles but since all sides of my tree are related back about 10 generations, through the people I mentioned in the previous email, they will show up are related. Right? Doreen
-Original Message- From: Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Jul 1, 2013 3:15 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder 



Hi Doreen, 
 
This is part of what I posted last week
 
    “I then realized that there was a way to sort out the two sides of the family by doing another family finder test. What I needed to do was test one of my dad’s 1st cousins. This was a big challenge. As my dad is 93 and most of his cousins are now gone. One of his cousins I ruled out because both his parents were related to my dad’s parents. (Brother & Sister marrying Sister and Brother). Two other living 1st cousins  were also 100% Azorean from Sao Miguel so there was a clear chance that there could be some crossover DNA.  On my last trip to New England I attended a funeral of one of my Dads Cousins and with a sense of purpose I talked with his youngest 1st Cousin about DNA Testing. This cousin was the perfect candidate for testing as her father was my dad’s Uncle (100% Azorean from Ribeira Grande Area) and her mother was 100% French Canadian so there was no chance of crossover of the two sides. I ordered a Family Finder test for her and it is now at the lab being processed.
 
When I get the results back I will be able to sort the matches.
 
All matches that are on both Family Finder tests (my Dads and his 1st Cousin) are from my Grandfathers family in Ribeira Grande.
 
All matches that are on my Dads Family Finder test that are not on his 1st Cousins are from my Grandmothers family in Bretanha & Ponta Delgada.”
 
Is this what you had in mind?  
 
First off I would do the same generation in other words 1st Cousin or 2nd Cousins, by using a first cousin and a first cousin once removed you are going  to skew the results. The one further up on the tree may not show matches of the one further down on the tree on the same line.
 
If you can do what I did above you will have some clear matches that you can attribute to one or the other person tested. If all you have are from one Island such as Sao Miguel I would try to use people from different villages such as Mosteios and Achada that would lessen the chances of any crossover. If you are dealing with any of the smaller islands then the chances of crossover is much greater. I hope that helps in choosing who to test.
 
Rick
 
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Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder

2013-07-02 Thread rondo ranch 



Doug, In testing Mel that was my attempt to get just Raminho/Altares. I figured that that would isloate my maternal grandfather's side but Mel was a distant match to my double cousin who does not have lineage from Raminho.  Both of his parents are from Raminho and have no Agualva connection. But they have matches with people who are not even Portuguese.  I believe the conneciton between these two cousins that should not share matches comes from where we all share the following common distant great-grandparents: Joao Martins Faleiro & Catarina Gomes de Antona of Ribeirinha (Mel's Great-Grandparents11 twice and GG12 twice, my double cousin GG11, GG12 4 times GG13 3 times), Francisco Vaz de Azevedo of Vila Nova & Maria Gomes Evangelho of Ribeirinha (Mel's GG8 twice, my double cousins GG8, GG10 3 times) or/and Andre Afonso and Isabel Lucas of Vila Nova (Mel's GG10 and my double cousin GG9 times and GG10 7 times).  All are from Terceira.  This must be the the connection that is showing up I have another cousin that has tested that has Agualve and Raminho lineage but should not share the Ribeirinha connection.  I still need to meet with that side of the family to compare the matches. Doreen
 -Original Message- From: Pam Santos Sent: Jul 1, 2013 6:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder 
Since I did my sons, with not many matches. I would do the oldest person possibly since its 200 years back. Meaning I should have test my ex husbands grandmother who is 94 yrs old instead of my son. Then possibly more matches that would confirm what my paper trail does.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel  wrote:



I wish I could test them all but when I decide who to test and what test needs to be taken I try and get the biggest bang for my buck. It is going to be interesting to see what the results are going to be when the FF on my dad’s cousin comes in. I am thinking of doing a FF on myself and compare it to my sister. (along with my dad and his cousin) The thing is we know that some get more of some DNA than others but my experience with testing two people that are related in some form is limited. My sense tells me not to bet on the three legged horse in a horserace.

 

Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 
 
 


From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.comSent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:44 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder



 

Hi Richard,

 

Your logic is sound, but I don't know if it really matters.

The reason is that there is no telling how much DNA any one person gets. Just like you are not going to get the same DNA as all your siblings.

 

So the answer, I think, is test them all. The more, the merrier.

 

One thing that seems sure to me is that since my father doesn't show as Doreen's cousin, even though we are related in so many different ways from all four sides of her grandparents, nobody in my generation can show as related, either. We simply didn't get that same DNA. 

 

But if she were to test her father or mother or any other sibling, then maybe one of those could show as related. But if her mother and father were tested and don't show as related to my father, then she and all her siblings would also be ruled out. If her parents didn't get that DNA, then none of their children could, either.

 

In my case, Sandra Valine Dauer shows as related to both me and my father. But there is no guarantee that any or all my siblings would show as related to her. I might be the only one in my generation who got that particular matching DNA from my father.

 

My nephew I think will be tested for Family Finder and it will be interesting if some particular DNA from his Azorean ancestry has carried down to him. And it will be interesting if it will be from Pico or Terceira. I'm not sure I will be able to distinguish it, but it will only be possible because of matches with others from Pico and/or Terceira. I have the feeling he will get a little from both.

 

In further answer to Doreen, I have some relatives who are direct maternal descendants from my ancestors from Chile and I would like to convince some of them to be tested. They also have some Piedade, Pico ancestors, and most of my same Terceira, but none of my ancestors from Sao Roque do Pico. The reason this could be useful to me is that I have effectively eliminated my S.Roque grandmother's entire line. Any match MUST be from Piedade or Terceira.

 

I could find other relatives that have no Piedade, Pico and my Terceira ancestry. They would ONLY have my Sao Roque ancestry. So in this way, they are being used to eliminate and therefore distinguish which side and hopefully which ancestors are responsible for the matching DNA.

 

You might pick cousins from your Agualva ancestry, but who don't also

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea

2013-07-02 Thread rondo ranch 


What does not make sense is that I have distant matches for people who are not even Portuguese.  So do my relatives and they are not they same people. ? I have tried to determine where the connections are and some of these people have very complete trees and are not Portuguese. -Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Jul 1, 2013 10:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea 
Hi Cheri, Rick and Pam,

I just had an idea that could greatly help us with Azores ancestry in regards this Family Finder test.

Next chance you get, talk to the owner of FTDNA and try to convince him to make a new option.

It would be great to compare anyone else who has tested with the Chromosome Browser. Just enter in their kit number for the comparison.

The reason is that I find it hard to believe there would be no matching segments between my results and those of Doreen and her two cousins who tested. I have already proven we are related on paper. Sure, the amount of DNA we share falls below the threshold of 7cm. Maybe it's 6.5cm since most common ancestors were born about 400 years ago. But there are a lot of common ancestors. They just don't happen to add up.

What do you think?

While you're at it, maybe they can increase the options for 7th and 8th cousins, and more.

Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618
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