Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
Cindy D, DNA does have quite a learning curve. And yes, you do feel like a deer in the headlights. I do lecturing. One of my topics is DNA. I had one person tell me it was her 5th DNA lecture she attended and that it was finally coming together. It's not easy. It takes awhile. Check out your local genealogy society. If they have meetings they probably bring in a speaker. Find out when they have a DNA speaker and go. Also, if you go to genealogy conferences, go to the DNA classes. Go to your public library and check out "Trace Your Roots with DNA" by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Ann Turner (no, I did not type Smolenyak twice. She married a Smolenyak and they are not related). Although the book is a little out of date now, you can still get a lot out of it on Y and mtDNA. I summarized it and posted it to the list years ago. The summary is on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/myBNk The book is better though because of the illustrations. Back then, they didn't think we could make autosomal DNA (Family Finder) useful. My, what a difference a few years makes. You said: <> LOL, no ears on your hip (FTDNA doesn't get into the medical stuff). But I need to know where you are reading no missing info or the extra info. You mentioned both autosomal and mtDNA, so I need to know which one. DYS means *D*NA *Y* *S*egment. That's part of Y-DNA. I thought you tested Family Finder and mtDNA. Or were you in the Frequently Asked Questions? On in the Interactive Tour where it shows you everything? No wonder you are confused! Cheri Mello Azores DNA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea
Doreen, Some of those distant matches seem to be not right at all. The only thing I can think of is that someone has the surname of Miller (or something Anglicized) and they find something in the British Isles and their research is wrong. I try to connect with those who have the most centoMorgans or have large blocks. I'll get to the 5th - Distant level if I see some relevant. I'm not going to bother if their trees don't seem to have anything in common with mine. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea
Doug, Asking FTDNA for complete access to their database would be like me asking you to put your Pico and Terceira databases on your website for the world to research. We both know that's not going to happen! LOL You don't have access to kit numbers. You have access to names. You want to know who you match? You find their name on your matches list to the left of the Chromosome Browser. You can filter that list too so you don't have to wade through so many pages. If you and Doreen's most common ancestor was born 400 years ago, Family Finder will not detect that. FTDNA only promises 5 generations from the testee, but it's more like 200 years. 400 years is too far back. Here's some stuff from the FAQ: http://goo.gl/8eMJf And while your at it, read up on Identity By Descent (IBD). Or google it. Genetics is not as easy and looking for patterns. http://goo.gl/0TGTq Hope this helps. Cheri Mello Azores DNA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
God Bless you Cindy: Amen! You've said it all so poetically ! All of it ! I have been avoiding my Mothers Azores Lewis line since 1982 for the obvious reasons. I had my wife's brother do the SMITH Y DNA test years ago. I get reports periodically saying a new match. When I compare the numbers - they don't match ? I use to write to the people and provide my history and only ONCE, (THAT'S #1) did I get a response saying its not me but good luck in your research. So I just ignore them now! Last year I hired Joao Ventura, a member of this group, a genealogist in the Azores, and asked him if he could help. With the information I gave him he identified an individual and his family line that may be my great grand father. The name turns out to be Agostinho Jose' da Silveira, Capt.b: c1780 Cedros, Flores Island, Azores, Portugal. HELLO COUSIN - yes? no? may be! ? Well anyway nice hearing from you. If we live long enough may be the pieces will come together. (will have to be sooner rather than later !) Keep the faith. Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com From: Cindy D To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:41 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group. I cannot "get" this DNA thing. I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too. Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results. They finally came in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and reports like a deer in the headlights. What does all this mean?? I've tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson Pollock painting. I've gone back and forth with all the generous information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no meaning (to me). The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and are not from where I'd expect. Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be cool to understand it all. One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have extra infoso?? What does this mean? Will I be growing an extra ear on my hip?? Agh!! I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll admit. But the rest... I dunno. I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada. Every day I open this stuff up and look again. Am I getting too old to learn something new? Perhaps. I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my Azorean roots. The name changing process has me stumped so how would I ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing. I want all this primarily because I have two very troubling family stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all. I am getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information. I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone and say anything that makes sense. I joined your project, hopefully this will click eventually, somehow. So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to? And if my charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means?? I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well. I wonder if maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene. LOL? Cindy D Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too rainy, too dry, too annoying Pimentel-Flores da Silva-Sao Miguel Silva-Santa Maria (I think) de Jesus-Flores (I think) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group"
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda
Tony, Thank you so much for this information! I am so excited to have a new avenue to explore. I will definitely write for the record. Linda From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of antonia...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:02 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda Linda: Santa Luzia...Feteiras...S. Miguel RE: Maria b Oct 1894 ...child of Antonio Ferreira and Isabel de Jesus.. The last dates for Feteiras birth records on film are the Civil Records 1853-1882. Therefore, unless you make a trip to S. Miguel you will have to write for the record. Others on the list can give you information as where to write for the record and also the cost. Tony I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather Lenor de Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on February 5th 1895 destination Hawaii. They were married in 1893, had a child Maria born in October 1894. Passport record identifies his parents as Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras. I am looking for information prior to their leaving the Azores. Family stories say that Lenor was in an orphanage and later taken back by her aunt (name at this point unknown). Any suggestions on where to go from here? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
Cindy: We're all village idiots when it comes to this stuff though you're the only one with enough humor to admit it! Just my opinion, Denis On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM, wrote: > Hi Cindy, > > If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I only ask because that > could have a major impact on what your results show. If you are 23 and have > living relatives who are elderly, then you should get them tested. They > will have more matches than you. > > Another thing, how much research have you done? How far back have you > traced your people from all four sides? Of course, only the Portuguese > sides will be of interest here. > > I can say that there are relatively few who have tested who have Santa > Maria ancestors. But there are many with Sao Miguel. And some from Flores, > but I don't know if a lot. > > Do you have any matches with anyone other than mysterious people who don't > seem to be Portuguese? I have some of those for my father (mostly all > Portuguese) and tons of mysterious matches which must be coming from my > mother's German and Hungarian sides. Most have not done much genealogy and > didn't post a gedcom. But some did and I still don't have any clue how we > connect. I think it would be a connection beyond what church records allow > us to show. In Hungary, I exhausted one side of my tree when I reached the > early 1700s. But from my experience with Family Finder, it can show 400 > years or more and if that is how these remote connections are showing, > we'll never likely find it. > > It reminds me of one person with no known Portuguese ancestry, I believe > with Kentucky area roots, who is a fairly close match by DNA. I wonder if > she descends from Melungeons. > > I am willing to look at your results, not that I'm any expert on them, but > since I have so many matches and have done so much research on all my > sides, maybe I will detect something of interest. Just tell me privately, > of course. (p...@dholmes.com) > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > Original Message > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report > From: Cindy D > Date: Tue, July 02, 2013 8:41 am > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > > I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group. > I cannot "get" this DNA thing. > > I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and > happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too. > > Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is > Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to > Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results. They finally came > in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and > reports like a deer in the headlights. What does all this mean?? I've > tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson > Pollock painting. I've gone back and forth with all the generous > information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no > meaning (to me). The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and > are not from where I'd expect. Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be > cool to understand it all. > > One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have > extra infoso?? What does this mean? Will I be growing an extra ear on > my hip??Agh!! > > I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll > admit. But the rest... I dunno. > > I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada. Every > day I open this stuff up and look again. Am I getting too old to learn > something new? Perhaps. > > I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science > junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my > Azorean roots. The name changing process has me stumped so how would I > ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing. > > I want all this primarily because I have two very troubling family > stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all. I am > getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all > sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information. > > I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for > someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone > and say anything that makes sense. I joined your project, hopefully this > will click eventually, somehow. > > So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that > explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to? And if my > charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means?? > I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well. I wonder if > maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene. LOL? > > Cindy D > Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too
[AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda
Linda: Santa Luzia...Feteiras...S. Miguel RE: Maria b Oct 1894 ...child of Antonio Ferreira and Isabel de Jesus.. The last dates for Feteiras birth records on film are the Civil Records 1853-1882. Therefore, unless you make a trip to S. Miguel you will have to write for the record. Others on the list can give you information as where to write for the record and also the cost. Tony I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather Lenor de Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on February 5th 1895 destination Hawaii. They were married in 1893, had a child Maria born in October 1894. Passport record identifies his parents as Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras. I am looking for information prior to their leaving the Azores. Family stories say that Lenor was in an orphanage and later taken back by her aunt (name at this point unknown). Any suggestions on where to go from here? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea
When I tested my parent's DNA before Family Finder, only a couple of possible matches from the Azores. Only after I requested the Family Finder tests on my parent's DNA, the Azores / Portuguese matches occurred. I try to keep in mind the Azores were settled and immigrants came and went, all kinds of ships stopped and some decided to stay in the Azores. My Dad's maternal side gives me the most world - wide matches. I am glad I did the basic YDNA and mtDNA because I learned their hapogroup. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:58 AM, rondo ranch wrote: > What does not make sense is that I have distant matches for people who > are not even Portuguese. So do my relatives and they are not they same > people. ? I have tried to determine where the connections are and some > of these people have very complete trees and are not Portuguese. > -Original Message- > From: p...@dholmes.com > Sent: Jul 1, 2013 10:04 PM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea > > > Hi Cheri, Rick and Pam, > > I just had an idea that could greatly help us with Azores ancestry in > regards this Family Finder test. > > Next chance you get, talk to the owner of FTDNA and try to convince him to > make a new option. > > It would be great to compare anyone else who has tested with the > Chromosome Browser. Just enter in their kit number for the comparison. > > The reason is that I find it hard to believe there would be no matching > segments between my results and those of Doreen and her two cousins who > tested. I have already proven we are related on paper. Sure, the amount of > DNA we share falls below the threshold of 7cm. Maybe it's 6.5cm since most > common ancestors were born about 400 years ago. But there are a lot of > common ancestors. They just don't happen to add up. > > What do you think? > > While you're at it, maybe they can increase the options for 7th and 8th > cousins, and more. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
Hi Cindy,If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I only ask because that could have a major impact on what your results show. If you are 23 and have living relatives who are elderly, then you should get them tested. They will have more matches than you.Another thing, how much research have you done? How far back have you traced your people from all four sides? Of course, only the Portuguese sides will be of interest here.I can say that there are relatively few who have tested who have Santa Maria ancestors. But there are many with Sao Miguel. And some from Flores, but I don't know if a lot.Do you have any matches with anyone other than mysterious people who don't seem to be Portuguese? I have some of those for my father (mostly all Portuguese) and tons of mysterious matches which must be coming from my mother's German and Hungarian sides. Most have not done much genealogy and didn't post a gedcom. But some did and I still don't have any clue how we connect. I think it would be a connection beyond what church records allow us to show. In Hungary, I exhausted one side of my tree when I reached the early 1700s. But from my experience with Family Finder, it can show 400 years or more and if that is how these remote connections are showing, we'll never likely find it.It reminds me of one person with no known Portuguese ancestry, I believe with Kentucky area roots, who is a fairly close match by DNA. I wonder if she descends from Melungeons.I am willing to look at your results, not that I'm any expert on them, but since I have so many matches and have done so much research on all my sides, maybe I will detect something of interest. Just tell me privately, of course. (p...@dholmes.com)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report From: Cindy DDate: Tue, July 02, 2013 8:41 am To: azores@googlegroups.com I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group. I cannot "get" this DNA thing. I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too. Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results. They finally came in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and reports like a deer in the headlights. What does all this mean?? I've tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson Pollock painting. I've gone back and forth with all the generous information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no meaning (to me). The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and are not from where I'd expect. Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be cool to understand it all. One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have extra infoso?? What does this mean? Will I be growing an extra ear on my hip?? Agh!! I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll admit. But the rest... I dunno. I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada. Every day I open this stuff up and look again. Am I getting too old to learn something new? Perhaps. I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my Azorean roots. The name changing process has me stumped so how would I ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing. I want all this primarily because I have two very troubling family stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all. I am getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information. I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone and say anything that makes sense. I joined your project, hopefully this will click eventually, somehow. So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to? And if my charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means?? I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well. I wonder if maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene. LOL? Cindy DOut here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too rainy, too dry, too annoying Pimentel-Floresda Silva-Sao MiguelSilva-Santa Maria (I think)de Jesus-Flores (I think) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join th
[AZORES-Genealogy] Village Idiot DNA Report
I have come to the conclusion that I am the village idiot in this group. I cannot "get" this DNA thing. I got very excited about reading the results of others' DNA tests and happy cousin matches and wanted to be counted too. Well, I spent a lot of money got autosomal (mother's father's line is Flores and Sao Miguel), MtDNA (mother's mother's line goes back to Poland)...and waited on pins and needles for my results. They finally came in last week and I have been sitting here looking at the numbers and reports like a deer in the headlights. What does all this mean?? I've tried to read up on some of this but it's like trying to read a Jackson Pollock painting. I've gone back and forth with all the generous information that is posted here, but still, all I have are numbers with no meaning (to me). The few distant cousin matches make no sense to me and are not from where I'd expect. Charts, numbers, groups, typesmust be cool to understand it all. One report says I have no missing info, scrolling down it says I have extra infoso?? What does this mean? Will I be growing an extra ear on my hip??Agh!! I can make out maps and follow the migrations which is interesting, I'll admit. But the rest... I dunno. I thought if I stuck with it, I'd "get it"but so far...nada. Every day I open this stuff up and look again. Am I getting too old to learn something new? Perhaps. I'm kind of bummed that I'm not getting this since I'm generally a science junkie and had high hopes of opening up new lines and information about my Azorean roots. The name changing process has me stumped so how would I ever know my connections for sure unless I can figure out this DNA thing. I want all this primarily because I have two very troubling family stories that I want to either prove or disprove, once and for all. I am getting nowhere. I wish I was like everyone else that seems to have it all sorted out about how to connect and manage all this information. I'm not giving up yet, but I think I'll have to sit back and wait for someone else to contact me because I do not know how I'd contact someone and say anything that makes sense. I joined your project, hopefully this will click eventually, somehow. So I guess my question isis there something I can look at that explains each of the DYS sequences and what it applies to? And if my charted gene matches comes up, what that particular matching gene means?? I'd sure like to know what my "extra" genes mean as well. I wonder if maybe one of those is the "idiot" gene. LOL? Cindy D Out here in Kansas where it's either too hot, too windy, too humid, too rainy, too dry, too annoying Pimentel-Flores da Silva-Sao Miguel Silva-Santa Maria (I think) de Jesus-Flores (I think) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder
Hi Doreen, If you test two uncles that are brother then the results will be mostly the same. If you test two uncles that are distant cousins the results will show closer relationships than they actually are and there will be less matches that are the same. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rondo ranch Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:39 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Thanks Richard, so I should continue to test first cousins just ones that are one removed. I was think of trying to test uncles but since all sides of my tree are related back about 10 generations, through the people I mentioned in the previous email, they will show up are related. Right? Doreen -Original Message- From: Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Jul 1, 2013 3:15 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Hi Doreen, This is part of what I posted last week "I then realized that there was a way to sort out the two sides of the family by doing another family finder test. What I needed to do was test one of my dad's 1st cousins. This was a big challenge. As my dad is 93 and most of his cousins are now gone. One of his cousins I ruled out because both his parents were related to my dad's parents. (Brother & Sister marrying Sister and Brother). Two other living 1st cousins were also 100% Azorean from Sao Miguel so there was a clear chance that there could be some crossover DNA. On my last trip to New England I attended a funeral of one of my Dads Cousins and with a sense of purpose I talked with his youngest 1st Cousin about DNA Testing. This cousin was the perfect candidate for testing as her father was my dad's Uncle (100% Azorean from Ribeira Grande Area) and her mother was 100% French Canadian so there was no chance of crossover of the two sides. I ordered a Family Finder test for her and it is now at the lab being processed. When I get the results back I will be able to sort the matches. All matches that are on both Family Finder tests (my Dads and his 1st Cousin) are from my Grandfathers family in Ribeira Grande. All matches that are on my Dads Family Finder test that are not on his 1st Cousins are from my Grandmothers family in Bretanha & Ponta Delgada." Is this what you had in mind? First off I would do the same generation in other words 1st Cousin or 2nd Cousins, by using a first cousin and a first cousin once removed you are going to skew the results. The one further up on the tree may not show matches of the one further down on the tree on the same line. If you can do what I did above you will have some clear matches that you can attribute to one or the other person tested. If all you have are from one Island such as Sao Miguel I would try to use people from different villages such as Mosteios and Achada that would lessen the chances of any crossover. If you are dealing with any of the smaller islands then the chances of crossover is much greater. I hope that helps in choosing who to test. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder
Thanks for the info Cheri. I had not been getting the testee trees before testing. (Some do not have complete trees for both side). I was just going on what they said then construction tree after the test for their GEDcom tree later. From now on I will get completed trees before testing. Doreen -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello Sent: Jul 1, 2013 2:32 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Doreen CJ,Yes, FTDNA says that the Family Finder goes back 5 generations. But it's more like 200 years back from the birth of the testee.Having the same people in your DNA make up will mess up the prediction. Shirley Allegre and I are cousins 12? different ways - something like that. Because we kept getting the same DNA over and over again, she was predicted as a closer cousin than she really was (I marked her as a 4th cousin because that's the closest). I did get a DNA match the other day from a 1696 ancestor (I'm born 1964). My DNA should go back to about the 1760s. The reason I got that match was that there was an American cousin marriage and my dad passed down most of that particular DNA intact. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by isolating the genes. Eventually, you'll be able to phase data if you have tested a person and their parents (or do partial phasing if you tested the person and 1 parent). If you meant by isolating the LINES, then you'd have to pick a cousin that does NOT come from ANY of the intermarried lines. You'd have to have that cousin's pedigree back about 200 years on ALL lines to make sure that cousin DOESN'T come from any of those intermarriages.If your goal is to balance out cousins on your dad's side versus your mom's side, you could do that. If you want to see how, say, a 4th cousin on paper plays out in the DNA world, then test that cousin. I don't know how much that helps. If it gives you any idea on clarifying your goal, then I guess I did help! Cheri MelloFamily Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) Azores DNA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder
Thanks Richard, so I should continue to test first cousins just ones that are one removed. I was think of trying to test uncles but since all sides of my tree are related back about 10 generations, through the people I mentioned in the previous email, they will show up are related. Right? Doreen -Original Message- From: Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Jul 1, 2013 3:15 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Hi Doreen, This is part of what I posted last week “I then realized that there was a way to sort out the two sides of the family by doing another family finder test. What I needed to do was test one of my dad’s 1st cousins. This was a big challenge. As my dad is 93 and most of his cousins are now gone. One of his cousins I ruled out because both his parents were related to my dad’s parents. (Brother & Sister marrying Sister and Brother). Two other living 1st cousins were also 100% Azorean from Sao Miguel so there was a clear chance that there could be some crossover DNA. On my last trip to New England I attended a funeral of one of my Dads Cousins and with a sense of purpose I talked with his youngest 1st Cousin about DNA Testing. This cousin was the perfect candidate for testing as her father was my dad’s Uncle (100% Azorean from Ribeira Grande Area) and her mother was 100% French Canadian so there was no chance of crossover of the two sides. I ordered a Family Finder test for her and it is now at the lab being processed. When I get the results back I will be able to sort the matches. All matches that are on both Family Finder tests (my Dads and his 1st Cousin) are from my Grandfathers family in Ribeira Grande. All matches that are on my Dads Family Finder test that are not on his 1st Cousins are from my Grandmothers family in Bretanha & Ponta Delgada.” Is this what you had in mind? First off I would do the same generation in other words 1st Cousin or 2nd Cousins, by using a first cousin and a first cousin once removed you are going to skew the results. The one further up on the tree may not show matches of the one further down on the tree on the same line. If you can do what I did above you will have some clear matches that you can attribute to one or the other person tested. If all you have are from one Island such as Sao Miguel I would try to use people from different villages such as Mosteios and Achada that would lessen the chances of any crossover. If you are dealing with any of the smaller islands then the chances of crossover is much greater. I hope that helps in choosing who to test. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder
Doug, In testing Mel that was my attempt to get just Raminho/Altares. I figured that that would isloate my maternal grandfather's side but Mel was a distant match to my double cousin who does not have lineage from Raminho. Both of his parents are from Raminho and have no Agualva connection. But they have matches with people who are not even Portuguese. I believe the conneciton between these two cousins that should not share matches comes from where we all share the following common distant great-grandparents: Joao Martins Faleiro & Catarina Gomes de Antona of Ribeirinha (Mel's Great-Grandparents11 twice and GG12 twice, my double cousin GG11, GG12 4 times GG13 3 times), Francisco Vaz de Azevedo of Vila Nova & Maria Gomes Evangelho of Ribeirinha (Mel's GG8 twice, my double cousins GG8, GG10 3 times) or/and Andre Afonso and Isabel Lucas of Vila Nova (Mel's GG10 and my double cousin GG9 times and GG10 7 times). All are from Terceira. This must be the the connection that is showing up I have another cousin that has tested that has Agualve and Raminho lineage but should not share the Ribeirinha connection. I still need to meet with that side of the family to compare the matches. Doreen -Original Message- From: Pam Santos Sent: Jul 1, 2013 6:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Since I did my sons, with not many matches. I would do the oldest person possibly since its 200 years back. Meaning I should have test my ex husbands grandmother who is 94 yrs old instead of my son. Then possibly more matches that would confirm what my paper trail does. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Richard Francis Pimentelwrote: I wish I could test them all but when I decide who to test and what test needs to be taken I try and get the biggest bang for my buck. It is going to be interesting to see what the results are going to be when the FF on my dad’s cousin comes in. I am thinking of doing a FF on myself and compare it to my sister. (along with my dad and his cousin) The thing is we know that some get more of some DNA than others but my experience with testing two people that are related in some form is limited. My sense tells me not to bet on the three legged horse in a horserace. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.comSent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:44 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Who to test with Family Finder Hi Richard, Your logic is sound, but I don't know if it really matters. The reason is that there is no telling how much DNA any one person gets. Just like you are not going to get the same DNA as all your siblings. So the answer, I think, is test them all. The more, the merrier. One thing that seems sure to me is that since my father doesn't show as Doreen's cousin, even though we are related in so many different ways from all four sides of her grandparents, nobody in my generation can show as related, either. We simply didn't get that same DNA. But if she were to test her father or mother or any other sibling, then maybe one of those could show as related. But if her mother and father were tested and don't show as related to my father, then she and all her siblings would also be ruled out. If her parents didn't get that DNA, then none of their children could, either. In my case, Sandra Valine Dauer shows as related to both me and my father. But there is no guarantee that any or all my siblings would show as related to her. I might be the only one in my generation who got that particular matching DNA from my father. My nephew I think will be tested for Family Finder and it will be interesting if some particular DNA from his Azorean ancestry has carried down to him. And it will be interesting if it will be from Pico or Terceira. I'm not sure I will be able to distinguish it, but it will only be possible because of matches with others from Pico and/or Terceira. I have the feeling he will get a little from both. In further answer to Doreen, I have some relatives who are direct maternal descendants from my ancestors from Chile and I would like to convince some of them to be tested. They also have some Piedade, Pico ancestors, and most of my same Terceira, but none of my ancestors from Sao Roque do Pico. The reason this could be useful to me is that I have effectively eliminated my S.Roque grandmother's entire line. Any match MUST be from Piedade or Terceira. I could find other relatives that have no Piedade, Pico and my Terceira ancestry. They would ONLY have my Sao Roque ancestry. So in this way, they are being used to eliminate and therefore distinguish which side and hopefully which ancestors are responsible for the matching DNA. You might pick cousins from your Agualva ancestry, but who don't also
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea
What does not make sense is that I have distant matches for people who are not even Portuguese. So do my relatives and they are not they same people. ? I have tried to determine where the connections are and some of these people have very complete trees and are not Portuguese. -Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Jul 1, 2013 10:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA idea Hi Cheri, Rick and Pam, I just had an idea that could greatly help us with Azores ancestry in regards this Family Finder test. Next chance you get, talk to the owner of FTDNA and try to convince him to make a new option. It would be great to compare anyone else who has tested with the Chromosome Browser. Just enter in their kit number for the comparison. The reason is that I find it hard to believe there would be no matching segments between my results and those of Doreen and her two cousins who tested. I have already proven we are related on paper. Sure, the amount of DNA we share falls below the threshold of 7cm. Maybe it's 6.5cm since most common ancestors were born about 400 years ago. But there are a lot of common ancestors. They just don't happen to add up. What do you think? While you're at it, maybe they can increase the options for 7th and 8th cousins, and more. Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.