Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
David, Unless you have other family based information, The family shown on the 1910 census may not be yours. A full disclosure of the nature of the information you have would help here. What US documents do you have that identify your father and his birthdate and arrival in the US? Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.com wrote: Gary If you google David Pimentel there are pictures and many articles. Quite an interesting person. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Gary, You've already stated that your father born in came to the us in 1917 to the East coats. That could not have been the same Frank Pimentel shown on the 1910 census that arrived in 1910. That Frank, son of Manuel and Mary is shown still living in their household in 1920. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6224iid=4532338_00816fn=Frank+Fln=Pimentalst=dssrc=pid=89145209 This 1930 census shows Frank Pimentel , 32 yrs old divorced in Fresno, immigrated 1915. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6224iid=4532338_00816fn=Frank+Fln=Pimentalst=dssrc=pid=89145209 This tree at ancestry shows that the Frank Pimentel that died in Fresno in 1963 is the son of Jose de Freitas Pimentel http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/23345118/person/1545889784 You stated that your father died in 1963 in Fresno at 66 yrs of age. The California death Index shows that he was born on 30 Jan 1897 matching my record exactly. The Frank Pimentel shown with Manuel and Mary in Alameda county was born on 12 Sep 1897. That is not your family. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5484fn=Francisco+Fln=Pimentelst=rssrc=pid=28391243 http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530661-1328fn=Frank+Edwardln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=29585493 Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:16 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: David, Unless you have other family based information, The family shown on the 1910 census may not be yours. A full disclosure of the nature of the information you have would help here. What US documents do you have that identify your father and his birthdate and arrival in the US? Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.com wrote: Gary If you google David Pimentel there are pictures and many articles. Quite an interesting person. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915Age:18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name:CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace:Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site: http://goo.gl/Vmutv5 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question
Hoping that someone can clarify for me this naming question. On NEPS site when a family is listed with male children, typically the male will be listed for instance as Jose and when you go to that person as the primary page he will be listed as Jose Vieira, Vieira being the same last name as the father. Another male child in the family may be named for instance Joao Francisco Gomes and when you make that person the primary person on the page his name will appear as Joao Francisco Gomes. In that instance, is that child's last name Gomes rather than Vieira? It would appear so to me but hoping someone can clarify. Thanks. Lisa Vierra Turrentine researching Vierra Azevedo from Pico, Silveira, Pereira, Beirao from Sao Jorge, Azores researching McKinney, White, Wilkerson, Rice -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question
Short answer is yes, you're right.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question From: themom8...@aol.com Date: Fri, August 09, 2013 9:49 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Hoping that someone can clarify for me this naming question. On NEPS site when a family is listed with male children, typically the male will be listed for instance as "Jose" and when you go to that person as the primary page he will be listed as "JoseVieira", Vieira being the same last name as the father. Another male child in the family may be named for instance "Joao Francisco Gomes" and when you make that person the primary person on the page his name will appear as "Joao Francisco Gomes". In that instance, is that child's "last name" Gomes rather than Vieira? It would appear so to me but hoping someone can clarify. Thanks. Lisa Vierra Turrentineresearching Vierra Azevedo from Pico, Silveira, Pereira, Beirao from Sao Jorge, Azoresresearching McKinney, White, Wilkerson, Rice -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Thank you Eric, I have seen this - the story came from a family member of George Patton who was married to William M. Wood's sister. Thanks for sharing, Carol Lobo From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:43 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood An opinion from the New bedford Whaling Museum The William M. Wood Foundation is a legacy of a grandson of William M. Wood (1858-1926), an immigrant from the Azores, whose father was an Azorean whaler on a New Bedford whale ship. His original named was William Silva. Wood began his career in textiles at the Wamsutta Mill, rising to become a textile magnate, eventually heading a mill conglomerate, which became the American Woolen Company Eric Edgar On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, Here is another opinion on the real name of William J Wood from the Wikipedia page for his son William M Wood: William Wood was born in 1858 in a cottage on Pease Point Way, in Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard. His parents, Grace (Emma) Wood and William Wood Sr., were Portuguese immigrants from the Azores. His father, William Sr., Guilherme Medeiros Silva was a crewman on a New Bedford whaling ship from 1853 until his death in 1871. William Jr. was only 12 years old when his father died, and had to drop out of school and find a job to provide for his mother and younger siblings. Fortunately for William Wood, a wealthy New Bedford textile manufacturer named Andrew Pierce offered him a job working in his Wamasutta Cotton Mill. Pierce would soon see that hiring young William would prove to be extremely beneficial. Pierce was impressed with Wood's work and promoted him to the manufacturing department, where he learned cost structures and figures. At the age of eighteen, Wood left New Bedford for Philadelphia. With the help of Andrew Pierce, William was able to find a good job with a Philadelphia brokerage firm. This is where he learned about stocks and bonds. After tiring of Philadelphia, he returned to New Bedford and worked at a bank. According to the Dukes County Intelligencer, when a Fall River textile company went bankrupt, its new manager hired William as paymaster. Then in 1885, the Washington Mill in Lawrence went bankrupt and was purchased by Frederick Ayer of Lowell. Frederick Ayer and his brother James Cook Ayer. I can't eatablish who wrote it or where they got the information Eric Edgar On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric, Thank you so much, this is the best evidence that I have as to the REAL name of William J Wood, thank you so much - I will try to do research from my end. Sincerely, Carol From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:34 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood Carol, Here is a clip form the obituary story of William Wood Jr in Portuguese newspaper that shows the original name of William Jason Wood as Guilherme Jacinto of Santa Maria . Mother's name of Amelia Christina Madison of Flores. I think that's an anglisized version of Macedo. I'll pursue the mother's family since I have many Flores resources. The father listed on the marriage as John P Ignacio is likely Joao ( Pimentel or Pereira) Enos Eric Edgar On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric You are right, on another document he stated he was born 1829 - think he boarded the ship in Fayal and as for the names I don't find Garcia, but did find Jacinta and Garcia connected to our DNA. Also think that names were Spelled wrong by the recorder. Joao Ventura tried to find her relatives as written on the license as John P Ignacio - found nothing. So I will try to pursue the dna trail. Thanks for lookingSincerely, Carol mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:36 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood Carol, I took a look at the Massachucetts marriage record of 11 Nov 1855. He states 25 years old, from Fayal, W I. The parents names show Jacinto and Gacia. Eric Edgar On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Hello, I have matched my brother Stephen Preston's DNA with 3rd cousins Peter and Bernard Mascedo (Christine)) Christine replied yes indeed she knew the Following persons as well as did Judy Thompson. My gggrandfather William J wood on his marriage license put the names of Garcia and Jacinta. In Madalena, I found Antonia Rosa Garcia 1791-1848 and Maria Jacinta 1791-1872 There we 11 children born to them one of which was Andre? 1829. Wood claimed his birthday was born 1927, and 1930. According to his
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the same person that died in Fresno in 1963. They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their father, claiming their citizenship through him. Joao, http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g Francisco http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915Age:18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name: CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace:Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site: http://goo.gl/Vmutv5 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
This is his brother Antonio F Pimentel's baptism record http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910_item1/P3.html It matches his WW1 draft record http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5481fn=Antonio+Fln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=28391240 Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the same person that died in Fresno in 1963. They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their father, claiming their citizenship through him. Joao, http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g Francisco http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915Age: 18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name: CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace: Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site: http://goo.gl/Vmutv5 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as
[AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question
I had read that the first son had the father's last name and the second son had the mother's last name. That's what I think happened in my family. They were Jewish if that makes any difference, and ended up in Terceira before coming to Boston. - Shirl - From: themom8...@aol.com themom8...@aol.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question Hoping that someone can clarify for me this naming question. On NEPS site when a family is listed with male children, typically the male will be listed for instance as Jose and when you go to that person as the primary page he will be listed as Jose Vieira, Vieira being the same last name as the father. Another male child in the family may be named for instance Joao Francisco Gomes and when you make that person the primary person on the page his name will appear as Joao Francisco Gomes. In that instance, is that child's last name Gomes rather than Vieira? It would appear so to me but hoping someone can clarify. Thanks. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Gary and Edgar, Check out this site: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1204/article_1089.shtml E On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, The obit should effectivly rule out the Pimentel family arriving 1902 as related. They are Fereira Pimentel from Pico. Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: This is his brother Antonio F Pimentel's baptism record http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910_item1/P3.html It matches his WW1 draft record http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5481fn=Antonio+Fln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=28391240 Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the same person that died in Fresno in 1963. They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their father, claiming their citizenship through him. Joao, http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g Francisco http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915 Age:18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name: CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace: Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site: http://goo.gl/Vmutv5 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Here I believe are birth/death records for both brothers: David Pimentel b. 5/24/1925 Fresno and died 7/6/2010 Brooklyn, Kings County, NY mmn Silva Jack Pimentel b. 6/5/1927 Fresno and died 3/14/2005 Raynham MA mmn Silva From site I sent to you, it looks like they were in Fresno until ca 1931 and then moved to MA. E On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary and Edgar, Check out this site: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1204/article_1089.shtml E On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, The obit should effectivly rule out the Pimentel family arriving 1902 as related. They are Fereira Pimentel from Pico. Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: This is his brother Antonio F Pimentel's baptism record http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910_item1/P3.html It matches his WW1 draft record http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5481fn=Antonio+Fln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=28391240 Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.comwrote: These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the same person that died in Fresno in 1963. They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their father, claiming their citizenship through him. Joao, http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g Francisco http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.comwrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915 Age:18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name: CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:Flores Birthplace:Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question
In our family, from mainland Portugal, the daughter took the father's surname and the sons took the mother's maiden name. The Azores family took whatever surname they pleased and who knows where they got them from. E On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Shirl Sereque shirl.sere...@frontier.comwrote: I had read that the first son had the father's last name and the second son had the mother's last name. That's what I think happened in my family. They were Jewish if that makes any difference, and ended up in Terceira before coming to Boston. - Shirl - -- *From:* themom8...@aol.com themom8...@aol.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question Hoping that someone can clarify for me this naming question. On NEPS site when a family is listed with male children, typically the male will be listed for instance as Jose and when you go to that person as the primary page he will be listed as *Jose* *Vieira*, Vieira being the same last name as the father. Another male child in the family may be named for instance Joao Francisco Gomes and when you make that person the primary person on the page his name will appear as *Joao Francisco* *Gomes*. In that instance, is that child's last name Gomes rather than Vieira? It would appear so to me but hoping someone can clarify. Thanks. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
