[AZORES-Genealogy] Can't understand word in left margin under the name Jacintho

2013-11-07 Thread Dano 
The information written under the name notes that a Certificate of Baptism was 
issued on the date mentioned; Certificates of Baptism were required for persons 
who were to be confirmed (2nd baptism), married, or buried, in other parishes. 
The practice continues to the present day. The specific word you asked about is 
"Certidao," and it can indicate 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't understand word in left margin under the name Jacintho

2013-11-07 Thread pico 
Hi Maria,Yes, this is a very common notation.The first part is:1ª (which means first)Next word is certidão (certificate)Then the date (22 Setembro 1883)Then is the title and name of the priest who made the notation.I believe C. is for cura (curate)But I can't read the name - maybe Junho, but I really doubt that, at least I have never seen Junho as a surname.It means on that date a copy of his baptism was made for some reason. Maybe he emigrated, because to get a passport, they first get a copy of their birth cert for that purpose.Boa sorte,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't understand word in left margin under
the name Jacintho
From: Maria Lima 
Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 8:59 pm
To: AZORES 

Dear listers,

Can any one please tell me what the annotation in the left hand margin means.  It's under the name Jacintho.   It's followed by a date.The priest wrote beautifully but I don't know what the word means.  I've seen it on many of the names so maybe you all already know what it means (?). Below is the link.   Thanks.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1860-1869_item1/P533.html

Thanks,  
Maria Elena 
Researching De Lima,  Moniz Machado,  Da Silva 







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[AZORES-Genealogy] Can't understand word in left margin under the name Jacintho

2013-11-07 Thread Maria Lima 
Dear listers,

Can any one please tell me what the annotation in the left hand margin means.  
It's under the name Jacintho.   It's followed by a date.The priest wrote 
beautifully but I don't know what the word means.  I've seen it on many of the 
names so maybe you all already know what it means (?). Below is the link.   
Thanks.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1860-1869_item1/P533.html

Thanks,  
Maria Elena 
Researching De Lima,  Moniz Machado,  Da Silva


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-07 Thread Mary Bordi 
In our church we also have the "Do you renounce Satan" and sprinkling of
everyone with holy water on Easter Sunday. (I think the Easter Vigil, also.)

Mary

On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Margaret Vicente wrote:

> Terri,
>
> I'm not sure if this will be of help to clarify what has already been
> said by others but exorcism is a common pratice in baptism up to this
> day.  If you have been present at a baptism you might recall the
> priest involves not only the parents and godparents in the ritual but
> also present.
>
> The exorcism is symbolic.  Before the priests anoints the child with
> the oil he exorcises (cleanses) the child or the adult by laying his
> hand on them and asking the question do you renounce satan and
> everyone responds yes we do.
>
> BAPTISM is a "faith" sacrament in the C.C. and it marks a "rebirth of
> the spirit" out of water by renouncing evil and accepting that which
> is Good.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On 11/6/13, Terri > wrote:
> > Thanks for all your answers. It  gave me more insight about why a child's
> > document would say 'exorcism'.  I had first even thought that it could
> have
> >
> > been a seisure or something they saw in a child and mistook it for being
> > 'possessed by the devil' since they wouldn't have known much about
> medical
> > conditions like that in that era.  But your explanations made alot of
> > sense.
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:10:21 AM UTC-5, Terri wrote:
> >
> >>  I found it creepy by interesting that in a few baptism records I needed
> >> for children in Ginetes, the word  'exorcismos' appeared.  This does
> mean
> >>
> >> exorcisms by a priest were performed right? or does this word have
> ANOTHER
> >>
> >> meaning in Portuguese? I've attached two records below.
> >>
> >> Terri Santos
> >> Researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo Sao
> >> Pedro and Sao Miguel
> >>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-07 Thread Margaret Vicente 
Terri,

I'm not sure if this will be of help to clarify what has already been
said by others but exorcism is a common pratice in baptism up to this
day.  If you have been present at a baptism you might recall the
priest involves not only the parents and godparents in the ritual but
also present.

The exorcism is symbolic.  Before the priests anoints the child with
the oil he exorcises (cleanses) the child or the adult by laying his
hand on them and asking the question do you renounce satan and
everyone responds yes we do.

BAPTISM is a "faith" sacrament in the C.C. and it marks a "rebirth of
the spirit" out of water by renouncing evil and accepting that which
is Good.

Cheers,

Margaret



On 11/6/13, Terri  wrote:
> Thanks for all your answers. It  gave me more insight about why a child's
> document would say 'exorcism'.  I had first even thought that it could have
>
> been a seisure or something they saw in a child and mistook it for being
> 'possessed by the devil' since they wouldn't have known much about medical
> conditions like that in that era.  But your explanations made alot of
> sense.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:10:21 AM UTC-5, Terri wrote:
>
>>  I found it creepy by interesting that in a few baptism records I needed
>> for children in Ginetes, the word  'exorcismos' appeared.  This does mean
>>
>> exorcisms by a priest were performed right? or does this word have ANOTHER
>>
>> meaning in Portuguese? I've attached two records below.
>>
>> Terri Santos
>> Researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo Sao
>> Pedro and Sao Miguel
>>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Pedro records online CCa

2013-11-07 Thread Pam Santos 
Yes I just noticed that thanks


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:08 AM, João Ventura  wrote:

> No.. They added the marriage records for S. Pedro in the last 30 hours..
>
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 2:00:16 AM UTC+1, Pam Santos wrote:
>
>> It looks like they are only adding records on Monday and Tuesdays!!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Jose A Medeiros 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am waiting for S. Roque too
>>>
>>> On Friday, 25 October 2013 12:33:41 UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>>>
 So they have added Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada online on CCA site.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Pedro records online CCa

2013-11-07 Thread João Ventura 
No.. They added the marriage records for S. Pedro in the last 30 hours..

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 2:00:16 AM UTC+1, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> It looks like they are only adding records on Monday and Tuesdays!!
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Jose A Medeiros 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I am waiting for S. Roque too
>>
>> On Friday, 25 October 2013 12:33:41 UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>>
>>> So they have added Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada online on CCA site.
>>>
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