Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancient DNA Study of Six Portuguese Populations mtDNA
Thanks for sharing this. I'm Haplogroup U5a1a and find it fascinating that it appears in Sweden and Russia. Best, MaryAnn On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:14 PM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote: This study doesn't list which branches of H, U, or X . However U5 is believed to represent the original population of Europe(Hunter/Gatherers) before the spread of agriculture in the Neolithic period from the Middle East and Anatolia(modern day Turkey) , it is also believed to be the oldest branch of U. Haplogroup X especially X2 is now found throughout Europe it's spread is believed to have occurred more than 20,000 at the time of the Last Glacial Maximum(the ice age) but it is now found more commonly in the Middle East especially among the Israeli Druze community. X1 is rare in Europe. Haplogroup H is the most commonly found mtDNA in Western Europe and along with Y-DNA R1b could this sample possible be H1? This link discusses Portuguese samples from the Mesolithic Period 10,000-5,000BC an H1 is possibly represented but some question whether the samples were contaminated. http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml A.Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia
Hi JR Some time ago Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva posted this - List of Azorean participants in an expedition to New Holland (Australia) to look for Gold. They left S. Miguel in 28 July 1853 aboard the English boat “Water Lily”. The trip took 108 days. They arrived on the 13th November. The expedition landed in Geelong, main port of Por-Philip, a town as big as Ponta Delgada in the 19th century. Then they took a ship to Melbourn and from there they went to Fores Crick mines. The adventure was not profitable for them. The investors had a very big loss. João de Sousa Dourado, from Ponta Graça, was one of the feww who profited from. For a long period of time he received interest on the money he invested there. Jacinto António dos Reis married there and succeded in Melbourn. They were a well knownand very considered family there. Commander and ship owner was Mr. John Busk (he had his wife and little daughter on board). Crew members: - William Percey Notprued Luck - Squire Midshipman, son of an English millionaire - 2 pilots, one English, another American, a master Cook and 7 sailors Passengers were: From Faial da Terra: - Joaquim Pereira - Francisco Pereira - João de Freitas - José de Freitas - José Raposo Cipriano - José Nogueira From Povoação: - Manuel Carreiro From Ponta Garça: - Jacinto Carreiro (sailor) - João de Sousa (sailor) - Francisco Estrela - José de Sousa Dourado (It appears to be the only one who did well in the expedition) From Ribeira das Taínhas: - André - Miguel Furtado From Ribeira Seca , Vila Franca do Campo: - Francisco de Andrade - Manuel Furtado - António Furtado - José Furtado - Manuel de Amaral From Vila Franca do Campo: - José Furtado - António de Hilário - mestre Mariano de Sousa (nickname: batata), (today the word mestre is used to designate a man who is a knower of his art; also means a mason) - mestre José de Oliveira - António de Sales - mestre João da Estrela - João Correia From Água d’Alto: - mestre Felício Botelho - Francisco Botelho (nickname: pataca) - Francisco Furtado From Porto Formoso: - Manuel Bento From Ponta Delgada: - João Gomes, mestre canteiro (mason who worked/carving the stone) - Manuel José (nickname:bispo) - mestre Manuel Dias - António de Freitas - António José de Lima - José de Lima From Capelas: - Manuel Raposo From S. Vicente: - Inácio de Viveiros - Nicolau da Câmara - Manuel Vicente From Arrifes: - Bento Ferreira - José da Câmara From S. Jorge : - Manuel de Amarante From Lagoa: - João José Tavares - Francisco José Tavares - António José Tavares - FrancIsco Inácio Botelho Âmbar Passengers who have paid the ticket: (Because of the names, I can say some of them belonged to the whealthy/noble families of Ponta Delgada) - João Francisco Gomes, (brother of the expedition doctor) - Jose Manuel Gomes, expedition doctor - Jacinto António dos Reis - João Lourenço - Simplício Gago da Câmara - Diniz Gago da Câmara (brother of the above, partner in the investment with his brother ) - José de Arruda Botelho - Nicolau de Arruda - António Borges da Câmara Medeiros - Victorino Augusto Soares - João Jacinto Borges - Jacinto José de Lima, - J. Girard, french, interpreter - Frederico or Henrique José de Sampaio, bookeeper, clerck . 4 women were amongst the passengers but no names… Cheers Robyn On 26 October 2014 15:05, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi JR, There was no mass migration from the Azores to Australia although a few Whalers jumped ship in the 1800's and I believe some Azorean immigrants to Hawaii moved to Australia.. Mass migration from the Azores I am only aware of Brazil, United States, Hawaii before it became a state in 1959, Canada and Bermuda. I think some of the Portuguese immigrants to Australia were Madeiran immigrants that moved from South Africa but Madeira is a separate island chain. A.Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia
Hi JR . There was a ship called 'The Water Lily that departed the Azores for Victoria Australia in the 1800's. Many of the people from the Azores went hunting for gold in the gold rush in Victoria Australia. I am a decendant of one. My GGG Grandfather came from the Azores to Australia and lived in the Ballarat region of Victoria. He did not come on the Water Lily and im still searching for details of his arrival. I have his Australia marriage cert but no entry details. Maria Lima who is a member of this group , did have relations on the Water Lily and she kindly gave me a copy of the ships list. I will post it as soon as I can find it, with the hope that you may find a name on it of your ancestor. Mariam Lima's ancestors lived in the region of Creswick and where miners, they have their graves there and are registered. If you can give me details of youre ancestor , I will go to the library and check the records to see if there are any for him. Best Wishes Chris On Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:42:53 PM UTC+11, JR wrote: I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was migration to Australia and when? JR -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia
Well thank you very much! How do you want me to send the info. I can post or send it privately. This is a connection to my wife's family. It seems her grandfather was related to the Sousa Dourado's through his grandparents, and inherited property from them. There are at least two by the name of Joao de Sousa Dourado and they all Sousa Dourados descend from the same family. If you don't already know Dourado means gold. So for me this now becomes a mining expedition, just like the people who went to Australia. I have to determine when they adopted the name Dourado, as this seems too good to be true. All the Sousa Dourado's originate from Porto Formoso and settled in Ponta Garca by 1800. I know Eliseu has a close connection with Porto Formoso. The story is that one Jose de Sousa Dourado went to Australia to work and returned wealthy. I will try to get more details to see if it could have have been Joao. This Jose had a sister named Jacinta with same last name. They were godparents to many of my wife's ancestors. Since neither Jose or his sister married, it was my wife's grandfather that looked after them when they were older. Jose has two certifications noted on his birth registry, usually issued for passport or other events. Certified- May 12- 1853 and April 8, 1862 Does this help? Let me know what kind of info you need. JR On Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:53:00 AM UTC-4, cmurray56 wrote: Hi JR . There was a ship called 'The Water Lily that departed the Azores for Victoria Australia in the 1800's. Many of the people from the Azores went hunting for gold in the gold rush in Victoria Australia. I am a decendant of one. My GGG Grandfather came from the Azores to Australia and lived in the Ballarat region of Victoria. He did not come on the Water Lily and im still searching for details of his arrival. I have his Australia marriage cert but no entry details. Maria Lima who is a member of this group , did have relations on the Water Lily and she kindly gave me a copy of the ships list. I will post it as soon as I can find it, with the hope that you may find a name on it of your ancestor. Mariam Lima's ancestors lived in the region of Creswick and where miners, they have their graves there and are registered. If you can give me details of youre ancestor , I will go to the library and check the records to see if there are any for him. Best Wishes Chris On Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:42:53 PM UTC+11, JR wrote: I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was migration to Australia and when? JR -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Fun Interactive Map on the Journey of Mankind
I like this Map. http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/ A.Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia
JR, Regarding the Sao Miguel passaportesI know that some of the missing ones were NOT missing in the 1980s, when Bob De Mello did his passengers to Hawaii book. He extracted passengers from the 1890s and that book is missing. Also, Roberta Ingram sent me a link for passengers who left Sao Miguel in the late 1770s, some 1800s and went to Brazil. Someone had those books and extracted the information from them. And probably forgot to return them. I hope someone finds them one day and returns those books to the archive. They have more information in then to other locations that weren't extracted. Didn't a few of the Azoreans wander over to New Zealand as well? Probably from Australia? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia
Cheri, Looks like initially a few Whalers made their way there but not many. http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/whaling-in-new-zealand-waters-1791-1963/page-5 This link states that in 2010 650 people in New Zealand claimed Portuguese ancestry 195 of those were born in Portugal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_New_Zealander A.Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe
Lee The attached comprises a couple of generations back (from Ana Joquina) and forwad as shown. I had a look at Ana's baptism record and it wasn't a lot of help. Hope this helps. Would love to see how we connect. Hermano Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 20:03:42 -0700 From: shorts...@suddenlink.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hep with Baptism - Rabo de Piexe Hermano - I would appreciate any information on Anna Joaquina. I'm not sure yet if she and Anna de Jesus Tavares are the same person yet, but strongly think they may be. I've found very few Maiatos in Rabo so far. By chance, did Anna Joaquina have a sister named Joaquina Iganacia who married Joao da Costa Maiato? They had a daughter Marianna born October 29, 1857. The record states Joaquina is the daughter of Francisco Tavares de Brum and Umbelina Rosa. Joao da Cista Maiato is listed as the son of Manoel da Costa Maiato and Quiteria de Jesus. All that I know so far is that Ventura Pacheco de Mello was born in March 1885 (the 3rd, I think) the son of Francisco Oacheco de Mello and Rita de Jesus. Maternal grandparents were Manoel da Costa Maiato and Ana de Jesus Tavares (Anna Joaquina?). Paternal of Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Helena Isabel (or as I've found so far Helena Isabel, Elena Isabel, Elena Rosa AND as Elena Thomazia!! Her name is driving me crazy lol). I think you are correct that when Francisco de Mekko and Rosa married in 1911 it may have been a second marriage for both. Lee -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. Lee Estep.doc Description: MS-Word document
[AZORES-Genealogy] Error on CCA site
Does anyone know how to get wordto the CCA site people to let them know there is amistake on the site. It says Sao Carlos casamentos instead of Sao Jorge for marriages between 1906-1911São Carlos, Casamentos 1906-191119060001 0002 0003 0004 0005 0006 0007 19070001 0002 0003 0004 0005 0006 19080001 0002 0003 0004 0005 0006 0007 19090001 0002 0003 0004 0005 0006 0007 0008 0009 1911 0002 0003 0004 0005 0006 0007 19110001 0002 0003 0004 0001t08-G-W0140 Ficha BibliográficaContribuidor:Região Autónoma Açores, Presidência Governo, Direcção Regional CulturaTítulo: Registos ParoquiaisAssunto:GenealogiaDescrição:CasamentosIdentificador:SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911Fonte:BPAR - Ponta DelgadaData:1906Cobertura temporal:1906-1911 -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Error on CCA site
email *drac.i...@azores.gov.pt drac.i...@azores.gov.pt* On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Herb and Judi Silva herbandj...@verizon.net wrote: Does anyone know how to get word to the CCA site people to let them know there is a mistake on the site. It says Sao Carlos casamentos instead of Sao Jorge for marriages between 1906-1911 São Carlos, Casamentos 1906-1911 1906 0001 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P1.html 0002 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P2.html 0003 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P3.html 0004 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P4.html 0005 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P5.html 0006 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P6.html 0007 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P7.html 1907 0001 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P8.html 0002 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P9.html 0003 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P10.html 0004 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P11.html 0005 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P12.html 0006 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P13.html 1908 0001 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P14.html 0002 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P15.html 0003 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P16.html 0004 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P17.html 0005 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P18.html 0006 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P19.html 0007 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P20.html 1909 0001 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P21.html 0002 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P22.html 0003 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P23.html 0004 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P24.html 0005 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P25.html 0006 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P26.html 0007 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P27.html 0008 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P28.html 0009 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P29.html 1910 0001 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P30.html 0002 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P31.html 0003 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P32.html 0004 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P33.html 0005 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P34.html 0006 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1906-1911_item1/P35.html 0007
