Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NS de Assuncao, Santa Maria, name of groom's mom and bride father

2015-09-09 Thread mances
Maria de Almada.

Manoel

Em terça-feira, 8 de setembro de 2015 22:34:41 UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>
> Thanks Tish:). 
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Sep 8, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Tish M > 
> wrote:
>
> Groom: Joseph de Mello, son of Joseph de Mello and Maria (de or da) Almeda 
> both deceased
> Bride: Francisca de Andrade, child of Thome da Costa and Maria de Andrade.
> Freguesia of Santa Barbara, place of São Lourenço.  
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Maria Lima  > wrote:
>
>> Left hand page second marriage down
>>
>> The groom is Joseph de MELLO son of Joseph de MELLO and Maria de (?) 
>> Francisca abbreviated (?) or Amada (?) both deceased.
>>
>> The bride father- is that THOME? Da Costa and Maria Andrade.
>>
>> At the bottom it says someone was from Santa Barbara of Lourenco
>> .  Would that be the bride; I couldn't follow it.
>>
>> Thanks for helping me.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735_item1/P78.html
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NS de Assuncao, Santa Maria, name of groom's mom and bride father

2015-09-09 Thread Maria Lima
Sorry to ask for further help but can you tell me WHO is from that parish 
mentioned at the end (Santa Barbara)- is it the bride? Or could it be the 
parents of the bride or maybe the newly weds? 

Maria Elena 

> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:57 AM, mances  wrote:
> 
> Maria de Almada.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> Em terça-feira, 8 de setembro de 2015 22:34:41 UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>> 
>> Thanks Tish:). 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Tish M  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Groom: Joseph de Mello, son of Joseph de Mello and Maria (de or da) Almeda 
>>> both deceased
>>> Bride: Francisca de Andrade, child of Thome da Costa and Maria de Andrade.
>>> Freguesia of Santa Barbara, place of São Lourenço.  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
 Left hand page second marriage down
 
 The groom is Joseph de MELLO son of Joseph de MELLO and Maria de (?) 
 Francisca abbreviated (?) or Amada (?) both deceased.
 
 The bride father- is that THOME? Da Costa and Maria Andrade.
 
 At the bottom it says someone was from Santa Barbara of Lourenco
 .  Would that be the bride; I couldn't follow it.
 
 Thanks for helping me.
 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735_item1/P78.html
 
 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Requested

2015-09-09 Thread Laura Flanagan
I am able to read most of this record, except of course the portion that 
relates to what I need to know most!  My limited Portuguese holds me back!  
It seems that Balbina Rosa and Florianno Ignacio Pereira were related along 
two lines in this marriage record, but I am unsure of the translation.  Any 
help would be most appreciated!



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1779-1849/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1779-1849_item1/P142.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - Looking for any information.

2015-09-09 Thread luiznoia .
The 1880 US census shows hem as Joseph Silvia from Fayal, a sailor, wife
Kitty from Ireland, with eight childen

The 1900 US census fpr Sag Harbor shows him as born in Lisbon, with Spain
written over it. Says he came in 186os

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Dano  wrote:

> Umm???  (boarding a 14 y/o on a cargo bark to Long Island, NY, does not
> equate to being "shanghaied)..." More likely, he was getting out of town
> before the authorities drafted him (age 14 was draft age in the Azores).
>
> Looks like you have enough info w/ Sag Harbor, NY, name chg, wife's name,
> and yr of marriage, to start your research. If he lived in Sag Harbor his
> entire adult life, it may be all you need to get that branch started
> perhaps he listed his date, and place of birth, possibly even his parents,
> on his marriage application.
>
>
> shang·hai  (shăng-hī′, shăng′hī′)
> *tr.v.* *shang·haied*, *shang·hai·ing*, *shang·hais*
> *1. *To kidnap (a man) for compulsory service aboard a ship, especially
> after drugging him.
> *2. *To induce or compel (someone) to do something, especially by fraud
>  or force: We were shanghaied into buying worthless securities.
> --
> [After *Shanghai*1,
> *from the former custom of kidnapping sailors to man ships going to China*
> .]
> --
> *shang·hai′er** n.*
> American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.
> Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published
> by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
>
> ~
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 5:05:44 PM UTC-4, R Mac wrote:
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>> Later moved to Sag Harbor, NY and changed name to Silvey. Married
>> Catherine McLain 1864. Any information would be appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - Looking for any information.

2015-09-09 Thread Cheri Mello
Obvious, Joseph isn't the one talking to the census taker. Maybe he was one
time, maybe neither time.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Requested

2015-09-09 Thread Cheri Mello
On the 9th line, I can't figure out that abbreviation.  It might be 2nd
degree of consanguinity on the one line. Then it goes on to say 3rd degree
something line. Then it says 3rd & 4th degree on the other line.

They are REALLY related! Lots of endogamy going on! IF (giant IF) the
dispensation still exists, it may have more information. If not, you'll do
the research anyways and find the multiple ways they related.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NS de Assuncao, Santa Maria, name of groom's mom and bride father

2015-09-09 Thread mances
The groom (... "e elle na Parochial de Santa Barbara" ...)

Manoel

Em quarta-feira, 9 de setembro de 2015 14:48:03 UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>
> Sorry to ask for further help but can you tell me WHO is from that parish 
> mentioned at the end (Santa Barbara)- is it the bride? Or could it be the 
> parents of the bride or maybe the newly weds? 
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:57 AM, mances > wrote:
>
> Maria de Almada.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em terça-feira, 8 de setembro de 2015 22:34:41 UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>>
>> Thanks Tish:). 
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Tish M  wrote:
>>
>> Groom: Joseph de Mello, son of Joseph de Mello and Maria (de or da) 
>> Almeda both deceased
>> Bride: Francisca de Andrade, child of Thome da Costa and Maria de Andrade.
>> Freguesia of Santa Barbara, place of São Lourenço.  
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>>
>>> Left hand page second marriage down
>>>
>>> The groom is Joseph de MELLO son of Joseph de MELLO and Maria de (?) 
>>> Francisca abbreviated (?) or Amada (?) both deceased.
>>>
>>> The bride father- is that THOME? Da Costa and Maria Andrade.
>>>
>>> At the bottom it says someone was from Santa Barbara of Lourenco
>>> .  Would that be the bride; I couldn't follow it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for helping me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735_item1/P78.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Elena
>>> In Wisconsin
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>> Freguesia: Santa Barbara
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

2015-09-09 Thread Sean Andrade
Thanks!

I need help with the location of the parents in this baptism record for 
Antonio on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P211.html

I think it says the mother is from Capelo but I need confirmation and I 
can't tell where the father is from.

On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 10:10:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> 25 July 1788. Baptized on the 29th.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
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> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need help with the year on this birth record for Maria on the bottom 
>> left: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P235.html
>>
>> I tried going to the next record to see if I could see a number but I 
>> still can't translate anything.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:38:16 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 9:34:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Born 12 Aug 1811


>>> yes, I see "onze" instead of "nove" now-- thanks! 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

2015-09-09 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci
Sean, Dad is from (natural) of Church of Espirito Santo village of Feteira
, Mom is from the Parish of Capelo.

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Andrade 
wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> I need help with the location of the parents in this baptism record for
> Antonio on the bottom right:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P211.html
>
> I think it says the mother is from Capelo but I need confirmation and I
> can't tell where the father is from.
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 10:10:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> 25 July 1788. Baptized on the 29th.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Sean Andrade 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I need help with the year on this birth record for Maria on the bottom
>>> left:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P235.html
>>>
>>> I tried going to the next record to see if I could see a number but I
>>> still can't translate anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:38:16 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:



 On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 9:34:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Born 12 Aug 1811
>
>
 yes, I see "onze" instead of "nove" now-- thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NS de Assuncao, Santa Maria, name of groom's mom and bride father

2015-09-09 Thread Maria Lima


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> On Sep 9, 2015, at 1:12 PM, mances  wrote:
> 
> The groom (... "e elle na Parochial de Santa Barbara" ...)
> 
> Manoel
> 
> Em quarta-feira, 9 de setembro de 2015 14:48:03 UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>> 
>> Sorry to ask for further help but can you tell me WHO is from that parish 
>> mentioned at the end (Santa Barbara)- is it the bride? Or could it be the 
>> parents of the bride or maybe the newly weds? 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:57 AM, mances  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria de Almada.
>>> 
>>> Manoel
>>> 
>>> Em terça-feira, 8 de setembro de 2015 22:34:41 UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Thanks Tish:). 
 
 Maria Elena 
 
> On Sep 8, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Tish M  wrote:
> 
> Groom: Joseph de Mello, son of Joseph de Mello and Maria (de or da) 
> Almeda both deceased
> Bride: Francisca de Andrade, child of Thome da Costa and Maria de Andrade.
> Freguesia of Santa Barbara, place of São Lourenço.  
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Left hand page second marriage down
>> 
>> The groom is Joseph de MELLO son of Joseph de MELLO and Maria de (?) 
>> Francisca abbreviated (?) or Amada (?) both deceased.
>> 
>> The bride father- is that THOME? Da Costa and Maria Andrade.
>> 
>> At the bottom it says someone was from Santa Barbara of Lourenco
>> .  Would that be the bride; I couldn't follow it.
>> 
>> Thanks for helping me.
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735_item1/P78.html
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>> Maria Elena
>> In Wisconsin
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Requested

2015-09-09 Thread Ângela Loura
Looks like "além de serem parentes em Segd.º grau de consanguinidade por
uma linha, de ter baixo grau por outra linha terceiro e quarto grau dos
quais de impedimentos foram dispensados"

2015-09-09 18:56 GMT+01:00 Cheri Mello :

> On the 9th line, I can't figure out that abbreviation.  It might be 2nd
> degree of consanguinity on the one line. Then it goes on to say 3rd degree
> something line. Then it says 3rd & 4th degree on the other line.
>
> They are REALLY related! Lots of endogamy going on! IF (giant IF) the
> dispensation still exists, it may have more information. If not, you'll do
> the research anyways and find the multiple ways they related.
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> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Ferreira De Couto (born abt. 1920 in Acores/Azores, Portugal and died accidently either in 1956 or 57 in Montreal, Canada)

2015-09-09 Thread 'Kelley O'Rourke' via Azores Genealogy


I am helping Connie Couto search for her father, Jose Ferreira De Couto, 
who came to Montreal, Canada in March 1954 from Acores/Azores by ship (Sao 
Miguel) to work on a farm.  According to Connie, he came with a friend (she 
cannot remember his friend’s name) and was on the first of two ships that 
came to Canada.  He was one of the first of a group of Portuguese 
immigrants to leave Acores/Azores.

 

The plan was, that he was to come to Montreal, Canada, work on a farm, set 
up a home and then send for his wife, Erania Mediros De Couto who would 
follow with their two daughters.  Sadly, he was killed in a hit and run 
accident either in August of 1956 or 1957.  Subsequently his wife never 
made the trip either (she died in a car accident in Acores/Azores and is 
buried there) but his two daughters, Esrisanto and Connie emigrated in 1965 
with their aunt.

 

They never found out where he was buried or what really happened to him.  
They know it was in Montreal but do not know where.  Connie (she is now 62) 
is the only remaining living family member and would love to know what 
really happened to her father, Jose and where he is buried in Montreal so 
she may visit his grave.  She would like to know as much about his 
(short-lived) life here in Canada.  She now resides in Toronto with her 
family.

 

Any pictures or information you could provide would be most welcome.

 

Sincerely,

 
Kelley O’Rourke, 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Ferreira De Couto (born abt. 1920 in Acores/Azores, Portugal and died accidently either in 1956 or 57 in Montreal, Canada)

2015-09-09 Thread Cheri Mello
To simplify things, why isn't Connie doing this? She probably needs a
researcher who can search the newspapers of the time to find out what
happened to dad. Mainly this list works with the older records (before
1911) on this list. Hopefully, a Canadian will know of some 1900 resources
to help.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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