[AZORES-Genealogy] Why migrate to the Azores?

[Cheri Mello]

 Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com

I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the Azores ?Did they go
freely or were they forced ? Beautiful Islands in the middle of nowhere.I
think our ancestors were courageous to leave Portugal than go to  the
Azores and than leave again  to go throughout the world to give us
opportunities they never had in their own lives.I know the Azores Islands
are beautiful but it must of been isolating for those living there not to
long ago. I once heard a saying but where I don't recall. The saying was
...There is Lisbon and everything else is scenery.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census

[Marilyn Thompson]

You might try you public library to see if they have Ancestry.com. I know
that I can access Ancestry through my library site from home.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Thanks,   not sure if I have enough info that's why I wanted to search
> through census slowly.
> Ancestry was just on sale and I didn't think I needed it anymore as I
> usually use the tombo site.
> But perhaps you could give it a quick try.  Don't spend alot of time on it.
>
> John Andrade died in Bristol, R.I. in 1945 or 46.  (don't know if you have
> access to deaths)
> John Andrade wife Maria.  they had 11 children.Might show something in
> 1940 Census in Bristol, R.I.
> I was hoping to find what Island they came from.  They also lived in
> Portsmouth R,I. but I think it was before that.
>
> Thx
> Liz
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> I have Ancestry World and will gladly do U.S. lookups BUT only 3 names at
>> a time please and I need names i.e,His name, wife, children, dates, where
>> they lived.  For ship's manifest same as above and when you believe they
>> came to US and where they might have left from and arrived in US,  when and
>> where they lived in US.  Please to not give me the name Maria de/da
>> Conceicao, etc. for obvious reasons.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Ken Waters 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to follow up to Cheri's note another option is to go to your
>>> nearest Family History Center to get free full access to Ancestry and the
>>> census. I let my Ancestry subscription lapse so I started using FHC's until
>>> I happily discovered the local library option. I take advantage of that
>>> often and it works very well for me.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> Mesa, AZ
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  Liz,

 If you go to a public library, they have Ancestry for free, but usually
 there's a time limit on the computers.

 Census Online has some transcriptions (not free images) for some states
 and some counties. It is not complete. http://www.census-online.com/

 Family Search (www.familysearch.org) has some and some have the images
 for free. I think others link you back to Ancestry.

 Some counties have transcribed the census and have placed an abstract
 online. You can find these by going through www.usgenweb.org and
 picking your state.

 Good luck,
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose da Silva, b. about 1833, city?, Faial, Azores - shanghaied age 14 and brough aboad a cargo bark to Long Island, NY - Looking for any information.

[R Mac]

Hi, Eric

Therein lies the problem. The local church that they were married at went
under reconstruction/remodeling some years after their marriage. The church
records were temporarily stored off site on the North Fork of Long Island.
The storage building that help their license was destroyed when the
facility caught fire. As luck would have it, Joseph and Catherine's copy
were somehow lost along the way. I have Joseph's citizenship papers, Navy
discharge records, etc. and all I can tell is that he was born in 1833 (I
also have that on a picture of his headstone).

I do have a picture of the family crest ring that I can post if you are
interested in seeing it. The only thing is it was taken by my cousin who
was a little out of focus with some of the pictures. Apparently from the
way the ring wore in time, it was at least 18K.

Robert

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:26 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Your best bet is to find and post the marriage record of Joseph and
> Catherine. Ive already looked at Familysearch for it in New York and
> Massachucetts without success.
> His Navy records also may have clue.
>
> Is there any birthdate found?
>
> Is there a photo of the family crest ring ?
>
> I'll guess the surname is actually da Silveira back in Faial.
>
> Eric Edgar
> On Sep 10, 2015 12:06 PM, "'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy" <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>> I agree that I don't think the crests were any thing that were passed on
>> in Azores and I have not seen mention of them in any research that I have
>> done BUT I do remember that the first time that I went to Faial, there is a
>> church there that has the family crests on the ceiling. I think it is
>> Angustias.  I just googled it as I was typing here and found this:)
>> [image: x8b-2370998.jpg]
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> RMac,
>>
>> You can find maps of the Azores on the Azores GenWeb.
>> http://goo.gl/k1ZDXv (Click on Maps).
>>
>> There is no place called "Sao Miguel" on Faial island. "Sao Miguel" is
>> another one of the Azores islands.
>>
>> Never heard of anyone in the Azores having a family crest ring. Really
>> not sure about that at all. Most claims of "family crests" have completely
>> fallen apart in my research.
>>
>> The Azores are an autonomous region of Portugal. They have their own
>> archive system and have digitized their records. You can use Tombo.pt/en
>> to access the records (stay in the left pane until you drill down to Faial).
>>
>> You can research all 12 or 13 freguesias there on Faial and I am sure you
>> will find the birth of a Jose to a parent with Silva in their name. In all
>> of the villages. Kinda like finding a Joseph Smith in all 50 of the states.
>>
>> You really need to do more research here in the U.S. to ascertain his
>> freguesia over there.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Thanks,   not sure if I have enough info that's why I wanted to search
through census slowly.
Ancestry was just on sale and I didn't think I needed it anymore as I
usually use the tombo site.
But perhaps you could give it a quick try.  Don't spend alot of time on it.

John Andrade died in Bristol, R.I. in 1945 or 46.  (don't know if you have
access to deaths)
John Andrade wife Maria.  they had 11 children.Might show something in
1940 Census in Bristol, R.I.
I was hoping to find what Island they came from.  They also lived in
Portsmouth R,I. but I think it was before that.

Thx
Liz

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> I have Ancestry World and will gladly do U.S. lookups BUT only 3 names at
> a time please and I need names i.e,His name, wife, children, dates, where
> they lived.  For ship's manifest same as above and when you believe they
> came to US and where they might have left from and arrived in US,  when and
> where they lived in US.  Please to not give me the name Maria de/da
> Conceicao, etc. for obvious reasons.
>
> "E"
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Ken Waters 
> wrote:
>
>> Just to follow up to Cheri's note another option is to go to your nearest
>> Family History Center to get free full access to Ancestry and the census. I
>> let my Ancestry subscription lapse so I started using FHC's until I happily
>> discovered the local library option. I take advantage of that often and it
>> works very well for me.
>>
>> Ken
>> Mesa, AZ
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Liz,
>>>
>>> If you go to a public library, they have Ancestry for free, but usually
>>> there's a time limit on the computers.
>>>
>>> Census Online has some transcriptions (not free images) for some states
>>> and some counties. It is not complete. http://www.census-online.com/
>>>
>>> Family Search (www.familysearch.org) has some and some have the images
>>> for free. I think others link you back to Ancestry.
>>>
>>> Some counties have transcribed the census and have placed an abstract
>>> online. You can find these by going through www.usgenweb.org and
>>> picking your state.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Conference in 2016 (Next year)

[Cheri Mello]

Great!

Cheri Mello
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Achada

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 1:43 PM, mnk  wrote:

> Looking forward to attending again.  Might bring the hubby along too!
> Maria Natalia
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Too poor for burial, (?)

[Margaret Vicente]

Not exactly.  It reads:

she was too poor to pay for the sepulchre but all was done/accomplished by
the love of G-d.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Maria Lima 
wrote:

> The last three lines - do they say because she was poor they couldn't be
> buried (?). Can someone tell me what it says about that, please?  Thanks.
>
> Right hand page second obituary for Maria de Aveiro.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P29.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Too poor for burial, (?)

[Maria Lima]

The last three lines - do they say because she was poor they couldn't be buried 
(?). Can someone tell me what it says about that, please?  Thanks. 

Right hand page second obituary for Maria de Aveiro.



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P29.html


Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Ferreira De Couto (born abt. 1920 in Acores/Azores, Portugal and died accidently either in 1956 or 57 in Montreal, Canada)

[mnk]

My father also arrived in Halifax, Nova Scotia March 1954 on SS Homeland or as 
my father called it "the Omlando".  He also said he was in the second group of 
immigrants to Canada from the Azores. Search this group for SS Homeland and you 
will find a discussion about it along with a picture of some of the people on 
the boat. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Conference in 2016 (Next year)

[mnk]

Looking forward to attending again.  Might bring the hubby along too!
Maria Natalia

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[MaryAnn Santos]

Oh, thank you so much, Cheri! Can't travel right now because the semester
has begun at NYU but I will contact João.

Maryann

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> Your choices for the dispensations are:
> 1) Fly to Angra and view them yourself
> 2) Hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for you. Contact him at
> heroi99 at yahoo.com for his fees and availability.
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census

[Liz Migliori]

Wow.   Thx for all this

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote:
> 
> I have Ancestry World and will gladly do U.S. lookups BUT only 3 names at a 
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> lived.  For ship's manifest same as above and when you believe they came to 
> US and where they might have left from and arrived in US,  when and where 
> they lived in US.  Please to not give me the name Maria de/da Conceicao, etc. 
> for obvious reasons.
> 
> "E"
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Ken Waters  
>> wrote:
>> Just to follow up to Cheri's note another option is to go to your nearest 
>> Family History Center to get free full access to Ancestry and the census. I 
>> let my Ancestry subscription lapse so I started using FHC's until I happily 
>> discovered the local library option. I take advantage of that often and it 
>> works very well for me.
>> 
>> Ken
>> Mesa, AZ
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>  Liz,
>>> 
>>> If you go to a public library, they have Ancestry for free, but usually 
>>> there's a time limit on the computers.
>>> 
>>> Census Online has some transcriptions (not free images) for some states and 
>>> some counties. It is not complete. http://www.census-online.com/
>>> 
>>> Family Search (www.familysearch.org) has some and some have the images for 
>>> free. I think others link you back to Ancestry.
>>> 
>>> Some counties have transcribed the census and have placed an abstract 
>>> online. You can find these by going through www.usgenweb.org and picking 
>>> your state.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
>>> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[Cheri Mello]

Your choices for the dispensations are:
1) Fly to Angra and view them yourself
2) Hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for you. Contact him at
heroi99 at yahoo.com for his fees and availability.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[MaryAnn Santos]

This is great. Where does one look to find the actual dispensations. I'm
very curious about my GG Granduncle and marriage to his niece

Thanks.

MaryAnn

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I lost count of the cousin marriages that I come from. 14? 16? The vast
> majority were poor peasants.
>
> Here's one of mine:
>
> 23 Nov 1819 Victorino de Mello & Maria Joaquina, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel
> island
> Note: Her name is listed as Maria Claudina in the dispensation. (It rhymes
> with Joaquina).
>
> The dispensation stated the relationship of 3rd degree of consanguinity.
> Also, it listed the following that needed to be done to redeem themselves
> (translated through Joao Ventura, genealogist):
>
> Victorino must serve the parish for 4 months and fast all day on Friday
> and Saturday.  The rosary must be prayed each day to the purity of our Lady.
>
> Victorino's mother was Constancia de Jesus or could be known as Constancia
> de Pimentel.
>
> The priest interviewed both Victorino and Maria (appears to be separate
> interviews)  He asked both Victorino and Maria if they had every kissed or
> anything else.  Both said no, not even holding hands.  Victorino said that
> he needed to marry his cousin as the people in the freguesia had been
> speaking about her (I guess they were seen together) and since she had a
> reputation, he felt obliged to marry her.
>
> (Note: Victorino was the 5th kid and the 3rd to live to adulthood. Maria
> was one of the middle kids as well).
> ===
> Another dispensation from the 18-teens, Achada, Sao Miguel island.
> Manuel Pacheco Dutra & Maria de Jesus Pacheco. Both appear to be the
> oldest in their family.
>
> The dispensation was applied for twice.  Through the translation of Joao
> Ventura, genealogist in Angra, it said:
>
> First dispensation (1818?)
> Maria was a "fragile and miserable" girl (her spirit/soul was fragile and
> miserable).  This misery was made public, as she had a child out of
> wedlock.  No age was given for her.  Manuel stated that he was 25 years
> old.  It also stated that they both owned some property.  His property
> brought in $5000 reis a year and hers brought in $4000 reis a year.
>
> Second dispensation (1819?)
> Manuel was now 23 years old.  Maria was living in Lomba da Feiteria.  They
> could not resist the flesh.  He was living with his mother and she was
> living with her aunt.  Maria was a fragile and miserable girl (in
> spirit/soul) that allowed herself to be seduced by him.  Manuel was working
> for his uncle Francisco Pacheco Dutra (Maria's father).  When Francisco
> found out Maria was pregnant, he threw her out of the house.  She was a
> poor and miserable girl (they stated this frequently).  It also stated that
> Manuel and Maria had some land to rent.  It stated that his mother was dead
> and her father was dead (this was backwards as he was living with his
> mother and her father threw her out of the house; also the death
> certificates prove they wrote this backwards).
>
> Joao Ventura, genealogist, feels that the second dispensation was probably
> filed because they had money from the land and were able to send for the
> dispensation.
> =
> The language of the time period is funny by today's standards (couldn't
> resist the flesh). The woman was basically at fault (they bashed Maria over
> and over by calling her a "miserable" girl, yet nothing was said about
> Manuel doing the deed).
>
> Not all married for land and money. Most of mine were poor. I think they
> just went to church with their cousins, went to a festa with their cousins,
> and one day they have lunch brought to them by their cousin Maria and she's
> not a little girl anymore. And the food is good. Half the freguesia is your
> cousin, so you just wind up marrying your cousin.
>
> I can't remember if my dispensations stated how they were married and gave
> the lineage. I may not have written it down as I already had it.
>
> Not all dispensations exist. Many were lost over time.
>
> Dispensations in Cape Verde are called Justifications and they draw out
> the trees.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census

["E" Sharp]

I have Ancestry World and will gladly do U.S. lookups BUT only 3 names at a
time please and I need names i.e,His name, wife, children, dates, where
they lived.  For ship's manifest same as above and when you believe they
came to US and where they might have left from and arrived in US,  when and
where they lived in US.  Please to not give me the name Maria de/da
Conceicao, etc. for obvious reasons.

"E"

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> Just to follow up to Cheri's note another option is to go to your nearest
> Family History Center to get free full access to Ancestry and the census. I
> let my Ancestry subscription lapse so I started using FHC's until I happily
> discovered the local library option. I take advantage of that often and it
> works very well for me.
>
> Ken
> Mesa, AZ
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>>  Liz,
>>
>> If you go to a public library, they have Ancestry for free, but usually
>> there's a time limit on the computers.
>>
>> Census Online has some transcriptions (not free images) for some states
>> and some counties. It is not complete. http://www.census-online.com/
>>
>> Family Search (www.familysearch.org) has some and some have the images
>> for free. I think others link you back to Ancestry.
>>
>> Some counties have transcribed the census and have placed an abstract
>> online. You can find these by going through www.usgenweb.org and picking
>> your state.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census

[Ken Waters]

Just to follow up to Cheri's note another option is to go to your nearest
Family History Center to get free full access to Ancestry and the census. I
let my Ancestry subscription lapse so I started using FHC's until I happily
discovered the local library option. I take advantage of that often and it
works very well for me.

Ken
Mesa, AZ

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Cheri Mello  wrote:

>  Liz,
>
> If you go to a public library, they have Ancestry for free, but usually
> there's a time limit on the computers.
>
> Census Online has some transcriptions (not free images) for some states
> and some counties. It is not complete. http://www.census-online.com/
>
> Family Search (www.familysearch.org) has some and some have the images
> for free. I think others link you back to Ancestry.
>
> Some counties have transcribed the census and have placed an abstract
> online. You can find these by going through www.usgenweb.org and picking
> your state.
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census

[Cheri Mello]

 Liz,

If you go to a public library, they have Ancestry for free, but usually
there's a time limit on the computers.

Census Online has some transcriptions (not free images) for some states and
some counties. It is not complete. http://www.census-online.com/

Family Search (www.familysearch.org) has some and some have the images for
free. I think others link you back to Ancestry.

Some counties have transcribed the census and have placed an abstract
online. You can find these by going through www.usgenweb.org and picking
your state.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Census

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Hi,
Is there a free site where one can view Census records?

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[Cheri Mello]

I lost count of the cousin marriages that I come from. 14? 16? The vast
majority were poor peasants.

Here's one of mine:

23 Nov 1819 Victorino de Mello & Maria Joaquina, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel
island
Note: Her name is listed as Maria Claudina in the dispensation. (It rhymes
with Joaquina).

The dispensation stated the relationship of 3rd degree of consanguinity.
Also, it listed the following that needed to be done to redeem themselves
(translated through Joao Ventura, genealogist):

Victorino must serve the parish for 4 months and fast all day on Friday and
Saturday.  The rosary must be prayed each day to the purity of our Lady.

Victorino's mother was Constancia de Jesus or could be known as Constancia
de Pimentel.

The priest interviewed both Victorino and Maria (appears to be separate
interviews)  He asked both Victorino and Maria if they had every kissed or
anything else.  Both said no, not even holding hands.  Victorino said that
he needed to marry his cousin as the people in the freguesia had been
speaking about her (I guess they were seen together) and since she had a
reputation, he felt obliged to marry her.

(Note: Victorino was the 5th kid and the 3rd to live to adulthood. Maria
was one of the middle kids as well).
===
Another dispensation from the 18-teens, Achada, Sao Miguel island.
Manuel Pacheco Dutra & Maria de Jesus Pacheco. Both appear to be the oldest
in their family.

The dispensation was applied for twice.  Through the translation of Joao
Ventura, genealogist in Angra, it said:

First dispensation (1818?)
Maria was a "fragile and miserable" girl (her spirit/soul was fragile and
miserable).  This misery was made public, as she had a child out of
wedlock.  No age was given for her.  Manuel stated that he was 25 years
old.  It also stated that they both owned some property.  His property
brought in $5000 reis a year and hers brought in $4000 reis a year.

Second dispensation (1819?)
Manuel was now 23 years old.  Maria was living in Lomba da Feiteria.  They
could not resist the flesh.  He was living with his mother and she was
living with her aunt.  Maria was a fragile and miserable girl (in
spirit/soul) that allowed herself to be seduced by him.  Manuel was working
for his uncle Francisco Pacheco Dutra (Maria's father).  When Francisco
found out Maria was pregnant, he threw her out of the house.  She was a
poor and miserable girl (they stated this frequently).  It also stated that
Manuel and Maria had some land to rent.  It stated that his mother was dead
and her father was dead (this was backwards as he was living with his
mother and her father threw her out of the house; also the death
certificates prove they wrote this backwards).

Joao Ventura, genealogist, feels that the second dispensation was probably
filed because they had money from the land and were able to send for the
dispensation.
=
The language of the time period is funny by today's standards (couldn't
resist the flesh). The woman was basically at fault (they bashed Maria over
and over by calling her a "miserable" girl, yet nothing was said about
Manuel doing the deed).

Not all married for land and money. Most of mine were poor. I think they
just went to church with their cousins, went to a festa with their cousins,
and one day they have lunch brought to them by their cousin Maria and she's
not a little girl anymore. And the food is good. Half the freguesia is your
cousin, so you just wind up marrying your cousin.

I can't remember if my dispensations stated how they were married and gave
the lineage. I may not have written it down as I already had it.

Not all dispensations exist. Many were lost over time.

Dispensations in Cape Verde are called Justifications and they draw out the
trees.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[George Medeiros]

   Thanks for the information on the degrees of dispensation.

   The practice of marrying one's relative to keep the land and money in the 
family wasn't uncommon in many cultures which I have discovered in my reading 
of history which is a subject of interest to me. 

   This is a speculation but does anyone have any historical information in 
regards to this practice being done in the Azores because of a lack of males 
available to marry ? I can't recall now were I read this info but I recall 
reading somewhere that there was a time mainland Portugal would send ships go 
to the Azores Islands to forcibly recruit males 12 and above to send them to 
the Portuguese colonies. Thus there would be a depletion of non related males 
for women to marry. British ships that came into Azores harbors would take 
these males out of the Azores to help them avoid being forcibly enlisted by the 
Portuguese Government. 

   Don't take this info as fact because I don't recall the source were I read 
this info about enforced enlistment.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:48 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:

> 
> Here is a legible example of a marriage requiring dispensation - marriage in 
> the first and second degrees - an uncle marrying his niece 
> 
> In 1877 José Jacintho da Camara Leite (age 49) married Dona Maria Julia 
> Vicencia (age 20) - she is the  daughter of my great great grandparents 
> Manuel Barbosa and Maria Vicencia da Camara Leite. And he is the brother of 
> my great great grandmother Maria Vicencia da Camara Leite. 
> 
> This was most likely done to keep the money and land in the same family, I'm 
> told. The uncle was wealthy and the owner of the casa senhorial (manor house) 
> in Lombinha da Maia
> 
> 
> 
> page 1 bottom of the page, right side
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879_item1/P110.html
> 
> page2 top of the page, left side
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879_item1/P111.html
> 
> 
> Casamento José Jacintho da Camara Leite e D. Maria Julia Vicencia 
> 
> 
> 
> Casa Senhorial, Lombinha da Maia, SãoMiguel
> 
> 
> MaryAnn Santos
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> If a couple is related in some way, they need to apply for a dispensation.
> 
> The two ways to be related are by consanguinity (blood) or by affinity (your 
> spouse dies, so you marry their brother or sister, i.e. the in-law).
> 
> 1st degree: Rather rare. Uncle - niece, aunt-nephew. I think there's some 
> other stuff as 1st degree. I think only once in the history of this list was 
> a 1st degree posted.
> 
> 2nd degree: 1st cousins
> 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
> 4th degree: 3rd cousins
> 
> After that, the Catholic church did not care.
> 
> If a couple were related, a dispensation had to be applied for. They don't 
> necessarily follow a format. The ones I saw (Sao Miguel island ancestry) had 
> a interview with the groom and one with the bride. Ask how they met, why they 
> wanted to marry. Said how they were related. So if you are at a point where 
> you are running out of records (because they don't exist anymore) you may 
> find a few more generations in a dispensation. HOWEVER, not all dispensations 
> exist either.
> 
> Currently, Joao Ventura, the archivist can look for a dispensation for you. 
> You need to be able to provide him with the marriage where it says they were 
> related and he will get back to you with his fees. heroi99 at yahoo.com
> 
> All existing dispensations for all 9 Azores islands are house in the archives 
> in Angra, as the Diocese seat for the Azores is in Angra.
> 
> Cheri Mello
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