[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

[Júlio]

Good morning, you can share your information with us.

 regards Julio


quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
>
> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte in 
> their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[AZORES-Genealogy] General Question

[Sme]

What does it mean when a baby was born sub condicianco?  Was this baby a
preemie?  I get the general gist that the baby was born in less than ideal
health, just wondering if there was something specifically wrong.

Thanks.
Suzanne

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: General Question

[linda]

hi Suzanne,

Can you provide a link for the record where the term appears?  

My understanding is that a baptism may be recorded "sub condicione" by a 
priest when it is the second baptism of an individual, and the priest has a 
concern that the first baptism might not have been performed exactly 
right-- such as a baptism done by a lay person.  The term describes the 
condition of the baptismal rite rather than that of the baby.

Linda

On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 10:24:47 AM UTC-7, Suzanne Edvalson wrote:
>
> What does it mean when a baby was born sub condicianco?  Was this baby a 
> preemie?  I get the general gist that the baby was born in less than ideal 
> health, just wondering if there was something specifically wrong.
>
> Thanks.
> Suzanne
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] madalena-pico records

[emmanuel lopes]

greetings,


to those who are seeking information about ancestors from pico (and some
from sao jorge), azorean professor norberta amorim, retired, of the
university of minho in northern portugal has compiled records about pico
(see bilingual  site below, CITCEM).
it is a good place to start but it is not entirely accurate so info should
be compared to actual parish records which are also available online (see
CULTURA section below), although the handwriting is often difficult to read.

the site has other goodies such as information about early flemish
settlement.

 if anyone requires info from madalena in the last 100 years drop me a
line, i may be able to assist.
manuel azevedo


BPARAH: Arquivo Regional - Fontes Genealógicas e Outros ...

www.bparah.*azores*.gov.pt/.../bparah-arquivo+regiona...


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Registos Paroquiais dos Açores Registos paroquiais (nascimentos, casamentos
e óbitos) digitalizados, provenientes dos três arquivos regionais - Angra
do ..

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao D' Araujo 1873-1874

[George Medeiros]

https://www.myheritage.com/names/jo%C3%A3o_d'%20ara%C3%BAjo

Does anyone know how I would contact the person Joao D' Araujo who posted Joao 
D'Araujo 1873-1874 ?
 
The parents Jose de Araujo Pereira and  Policena dos Anjos Pereira are my g 
Grandparent's.  

My Grandmother Virginia Amelia Pereira born 1890 in Candalaria Sao Miguel 
Azores is their daughter.   George Michael ( Pereira) Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: General Question

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

The church has always maintained that any Christian may baptize an  individual 
who is in danger of dying before he can be baptized by a priest or deacon. The 
formula must be exact "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son 
and of the Holy Spirit." Many babies were baptized at birth, usually by the 
"parteira" (the midwife) or some member of the family. Those baptisms were 
usually recorded by the priest in the parish registry. A sub condicione baptism 
is when the priest then re-baptizes the baby in case the original baptism 
performed at home was not valid for whatever reason (usually because the 
correct formula was not used). 

John Miranda Raposo
 

On Saturday, March 26, 2016 1:53 PM, linda  wrote:
 

 hi Suzanne,

Can you provide a link for the record where the term appears?  

My understanding is that a baptism may be recorded "sub condicione" by a priest 
when it is the second baptism of an individual, and the priest has a concern 
that the first baptism might not have been performed exactly right-- such as a 
baptism done by a lay person.  The term describes the condition of the 
baptismal rite rather than that of the baby.

Linda

On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 10:24:47 AM UTC-7, Suzanne Edvalson wrote:
What does it mean when a baby was born sub condicianco?  Was this baby a 
preemie?  I get the general gist that the baby was born in less than ideal 
health, just wondering if there was something specifically wrong.

Thanks.
Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

[Sandra Perez]

Are they related to Amaro do Monte and Margarida Rodrigues?

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:

> Good morning, you can share your information with us.
>
>  regards Julio
>
>
> quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
>>
>> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte
>> in their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

I think his father is Nuno de Sousa and Francisca de Paiva

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> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:
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> 
> quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
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>> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte in 
>> their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: General Question

[George Medeiros]

Suzanne,
  In Mainline Christine Theology it is held that only one baptism is valid. The 
Council of Trent defined a dogma that it is forbidden to baptize a person 
already baptized.However, if the baptism is in doubt, a "conditional " baptism 
may be performed.Most likely the term "sub conditione" refers to a conditional 
baptism. The Roman Catholic Church recognizes the baptism of other Christian 
Churches but if there is doubt a conditional baptism may be done. George 
Medeiros

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On Mar 26, 2016, at 10:53 AM, linda  wrote:

> hi Suzanne,
> 
> Can you provide a link for the record where the term appears?  
> 
> My understanding is that a baptism may be recorded "sub condicione" by a 
> priest when it is the second baptism of an individual, and the priest has a 
> concern that the first baptism might not have been performed exactly right-- 
> such as a baptism done by a lay person.  The term describes the condition of 
> the baptismal rite rather than that of the baby.
> 
> Linda
> 
> On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 10:24:47 AM UTC-7, Suzanne Edvalson wrote:
> What does it mean when a baby was born sub condicianco?  Was this baby a 
> preemie?  I get the general gist that the baby was born in less than ideal 
> health, just wondering if there was something specifically wrong.
> 
> Thanks.
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

Not so sure about Susana do Monte. If anything a Beatriz do Monte mentions her 
niece Susana do Monte and nephew Pedro da Silva in her will (1590). Beatriz had 
a sister named Maria do Monte who was married to Adao da Silva (possible 
parents of Susana do Monte married to Simao Ferreira de Sousa). Maria do Monte 
and Beatriz do Monte were daughtersof a Susana do Monte 
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> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
> 
> Are they related to Amaro do Monte and Margarida Rodrigues?
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:
>> Good morning, you can share your information with us.
>>  regards Julio
>> 
>> quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte in 
>>> their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

[Sandra Perez]

This is what I found on a disc the Genealogy Fairy sent me.  I have
recently just been going through it randomly. Someone can help translate.

1 - Henrique Ferraz, de Água de Pau, casou com Catarina Gil.

Tiveram:

2 - Tomé Ferraz, que segue:

2 - Manuel Ferraz, que segue no § 2.º.

2 - Tomé Ferraz, morador na Ribeira Seca da Ribeira Grande e natural de
Água de Pau, Tomé Ferraz, do Rego de Água morreu a 19.1.1669 em S. Pedro da
Ribeira Grande, com testamento. Casou duas vezes nesta última freguesia: a
primeira a 7.7.1629 com Ana Ferreira de Sousa, que morreu a 26.7.1636 com
testamento na Ribeira Seca, quando casou, e era viúva de Francisco Lopes e
filha de Simão Ferreira de Sousa e Susana do Monte. Casou segunda vez a
22.9.1636 com Madalena Carreiro de Vasconcelos, (Cap.º 49.º § 1.º, N.º 6).




On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Not so sure about Susana do Monte. If anything a Beatriz do Monte mentions
> her niece Susana do Monte and nephew Pedro da Silva in her will (1590).
> Beatriz had a sister named Maria do Monte who was married to Adao da Silva
> (possible parents of Susana do Monte married to Simao Ferreira de Sousa).
> Maria do Monte and Beatriz do Monte were daughtersof a Susana do Monte
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
> Are they related to Amaro do Monte and Margarida Rodrigues?
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:
>
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>>
>>  regards Julio
>>
>>
>> quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte
>>> in their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes. This my line. Tome Ferraz and Ana Ferreira de Sousa

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> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
> 
> This is what I found on a disc the Genealogy Fairy sent me.  I have recently 
> just been going through it randomly. Someone can help translate.
> 
> 1 - Henrique Ferraz, de Água de Pau, casou com Catarina Gil.
> 
> Tiveram:
> 
> 2 - Tomé Ferraz, que segue:
> 
> 2 - Manuel Ferraz, que segue no § 2.º.
> 
> 2 - Tomé Ferraz, morador na Ribeira Seca da Ribeira Grande e natural de Água 
> de Pau, Tomé Ferraz, do Rego de Água morreu a 19.1.1669 em S. Pedro da 
> Ribeira Grande, com testamento. Casou duas vezes nesta última freguesia: a 
> primeira a 7.7.1629 com Ana Ferreira de Sousa, que morreu a 26.7.1636 com 
> testamento na Ribeira Seca, quando casou, e era viúva de Francisco Lopes e 
> filha de Simão Ferreira de Sousa e Susana do Monte. Casou segunda vez a 
> 22.9.1636 com Madalena Carreiro de Vasconcelos, (Cap.º 49.º § 1.º, N.º 6).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not so sure about Susana do Monte. If anything a Beatriz do Monte mentions 
>> her niece Susana do Monte and nephew Pedro da Silva in her will (1590). 
>> Beatriz had a sister named Maria do Monte who was married to Adao da Silva 
>> (possible parents of Susana do Monte married to Simao Ferreira de Sousa). 
>> Maria do Monte and Beatriz do Monte were daughtersof a Susana do Monte 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are they related to Amaro do Monte and Margarida Rodrigues?
>>> 
 On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:
 Good morning, you can share your information with us.
  regards Julio
 
 quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
> 
> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte 
> in their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

[Sandra Perez]

I think this is something about land inheritance.  Can you translate?

A 14.11.1650, em Água de Pau Bartolomeu da Costa e sua mulher Ana Cabral de
Benevides aforam a Henrique Ferraz, o Velho, morador nesta Vila, uma terra
que houveram de herança de Pedro de Carvalhais, que parte com herdeiros de
Francisco Daniel, com João Pavão e Pedro de Oliveira; Testemunha Jordão
Jácome Correia, morador nesta Vila.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:47 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Yes. This my line. Tome Ferraz and Ana Ferreira de Sousa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
> This is what I found on a disc the Genealogy Fairy sent me.  I have
> recently just been going through it randomly. Someone can help translate.
>
> 1 - Henrique Ferraz, de Água de Pau, casou com Catarina Gil.
>
> Tiveram:
>
> 2 - Tomé Ferraz, que segue:
>
> 2 - Manuel Ferraz, que segue no § 2.º.
>
> 2 - Tomé Ferraz, morador na Ribeira Seca da Ribeira Grande e natural de
> Água de Pau, Tomé Ferraz, do Rego de Água morreu a 19.1.1669 em S. Pedro da
> Ribeira Grande, com testamento. Casou duas vezes nesta última freguesia: a
> primeira a 7.7.1629 com Ana Ferreira de Sousa, que morreu a 26.7.1636 com
> testamento na Ribeira Seca, quando casou, e era viúva de Francisco Lopes e
> filha de Simão Ferreira de Sousa e Susana do Monte. Casou segunda vez a
> 22.9.1636 com Madalena Carreiro de Vasconcelos, (Cap.º 49.º § 1.º, N.º 6).
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Not so sure about Susana do Monte. If anything a Beatriz do Monte
>> mentions her niece Susana do Monte and nephew Pedro da Silva in her will
>> (1590). Beatriz had a sister named Maria do Monte who was married to Adao
>> da Silva (possible parents of Susana do Monte married to Simao Ferreira de
>> Sousa). Maria do Monte and Beatriz do Monte were daughtersof a Susana
>> do Monte
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are they related to Amaro do Monte and Margarida Rodrigues?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning, you can share your information with us.
>>>
>>>  regards Julio
>>>
>>>
>>> quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:

 Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte
 in their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao.

 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande ( Simao Ferreira de Sousa & Isabel do Monte)

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

Bartolomeu da Costa and his wife Ana gave land to Henrique Ferraz. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
> 
> I think this is something about land inheritance.  Can you translate?
> 
> A 14.11.1650, em Água de Pau Bartolomeu da Costa e sua mulher Ana Cabral de 
> Benevides aforam a Henrique Ferraz, o Velho, morador nesta Vila, uma terra 
> que houveram de herança de Pedro de Carvalhais, que parte com herdeiros de 
> Francisco Daniel, com João Pavão e Pedro de Oliveira; Testemunha Jordão 
> Jácome Correia, morador nesta Vila.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:47 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>> Yes. This my line. Tome Ferraz and Ana Ferreira de Sousa
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is what I found on a disc the Genealogy Fairy sent me.  I have 
>>> recently just been going through it randomly. Someone can help translate.
>>> 
>>> 1 - Henrique Ferraz, de Água de Pau, casou com Catarina Gil.
>>> 
>>> Tiveram:
>>> 
>>> 2 - Tomé Ferraz, que segue:
>>> 
>>> 2 - Manuel Ferraz, que segue no § 2.º.
>>> 
>>> 2 - Tomé Ferraz, morador na Ribeira Seca da Ribeira Grande e natural de 
>>> Água de Pau, Tomé Ferraz, do Rego de Água morreu a 19.1.1669 em S. Pedro da 
>>> Ribeira Grande, com testamento. Casou duas vezes nesta última freguesia: a 
>>> primeira a 7.7.1629 com Ana Ferreira de Sousa, que morreu a 26.7.1636 com 
>>> testamento na Ribeira Seca, quando casou, e era viúva de Francisco Lopes e 
>>> filha de Simão Ferreira de Sousa e Susana do Monte. Casou segunda vez a 
>>> 22.9.1636 com Madalena Carreiro de Vasconcelos, (Cap.º 49.º § 1.º, N.º 6).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 
 Not so sure about Susana do Monte. If anything a Beatriz do Monte mentions 
 her niece Susana do Monte and nephew Pedro da Silva in her will (1590). 
 Beatriz had a sister named Maria do Monte who was married to Adao da Silva 
 (possible parents of Susana do Monte married to Simao Ferreira de Sousa). 
 Maria do Monte and Beatriz do Monte were daughtersof a Susana do Monte 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Sandra Perez  
> wrote:
> 
> Are they related to Amaro do Monte and Margarida Rodrigues?
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Júlio  wrote:
>> Good morning, you can share your information with us.
>>  regards Julio
>> 
>> quinta-feira, 24 de Março de 2016 às 21:21:28 UTC-1, Azoreanno escreveu:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have the couple Simao Ferreira de Sousa and Susana do Monte 
>>> in their tree? I think found the ancestors of Simao. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

[Cheri Mello]

Happy Easter/Feliz Pascoa to all!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Happy Easter/ Feliz Pascoa thread

['abbykats' via Azores Genealogy]

Happy Easter to everyone.  May you have a wonderful Easter filled with family, 
friends, love, and allot of laughter.
Barb 

On Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:30 PM, Cheri Mello  
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