Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

2016-04-18 Thread luiznoia .
This seems the most likely match for the Sebastiao and Maria da Trindade in
the obito.

Lomba

José Sebastião Pimentel [26 anos, f.º de Sebastião José Pimentel e de
Maria da Trindade do Coração de Jesus] c. 1886.08.19 c. Maria
Gonçalves de Freitas [18 anos, f.ª de João António Gonçalves e de Isabel
da Trindade do Coração de Jesus].





Eric Edgar

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:19 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Mary,
>
>  I have found researching Flores over the last twenty years that the
> surnames are not always recorded the same way on all documents. The alcunha
> part ( Queiro, Batacao, etc) is often left off some records.
>
> The parents are sometimes recorded wrong also. Not surprising 70 or 80
> years later , often in a a different town.
>
> I looked at the obit record you referenced.
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html
>
> 26 Sep 1892  Lomba
>
> Sebastiao Pimentel 79 yrs
>
> widower of Maria da Trindade
>
> legitimate son of Jose Pimentel Queiro and  Sebastiana de Jesus
>
>
> Looking through the Flores marriage book, I can not find any marriage for
> those parents or for Sebastiao Pimentel and Maria da Trindade.
>
> The place they reference is Ribeira dos Barqueiros, part of the parish of
> the town of Santa Cruz
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  > wrote:
>
>> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
>> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
>> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
>> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
>> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
>> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
>> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
>> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
>> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>>
>> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
>> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
>> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
>> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>>
>> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>>
>> I see:
>>
>> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>>
>> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>>
>> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>>
>> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>>
>> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>>
>> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make
>> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-18 Thread mances
I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my 
ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da 
Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100.

Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
>
> I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do know 
> that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that record! I 
> believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it is another 
> matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The majority 
> appear to be in Lagoa.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois 
>> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e 
>> Isabel? ?--top.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

2016-04-18 Thread luiznoia .
Mary,

This is the marriage of this Jose's parents

 from Santa Cruz.

José Tomás Pimentel [f.º de António José Pimentel Batacão e de Mariana
Furtado]
c. 1832.01.23
c. Rosa Maria [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Ana de Freitas Lajedo, mulher de
António de Freitas Podrigão, ausente].



Eric Edgar




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:48 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Mary,
>
> That's a difficult record, but this is what I think I see:
>
> Joze filho de Joze Ma[noel?] Pimentel Canellas e sua m.er Ro.a Maria
> P..
> n.es freguezes desta Matriz de N. Snr.a da Conceicao ... Villa e
> ... ilha das
> Flores neta pela parte paterna de Antonio Joze Pimentel Botacao ed ... Mar.
> [ianna?] Furtado e pela materno de  [Pai?] incognito e de Anna de brita..
> Leg..
> da, nasceo emos Vinte tres dias do mez de [Fevereiro?].. de mil oito
> centos
> trinta e Sinco ; e foi baptizado por mim OuVidor e Vig.ro
> . abai
> cho [asigna?]do  emos Vinte quatro dias dad.o mez, e anno. Foi Padrinho
> Joze
> ... dos Reis  testemunhos Antonio Jose e Manoel
> F  que
> para constar fiz este termo era et supra
>
> Canellas and Botacao aren't names I'm familiar with, so there's a good
> chance I'm transcribing them incorrectly.  I saw "Anna de brita", but I
> looked again after rereading your note, and think you're right that the
> name is "Freitas"
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Linda
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:30:08 PM UTC-7, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
>> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
>> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
>> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
>> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
>> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
>> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
>> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
>> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>>
>> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
>> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
>> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
>> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>>
>> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>>
>> I see:
>>
>> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>>
>> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>>
>> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>>
>> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>>
>> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>>
>> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make
>> them out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-18 Thread Sandra Perez
Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother).  Who do you
descend from?

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances  wrote:

> I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my
> ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da
> Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100.
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
>
> Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
>>
>> I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do
>> know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that
>> record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it
>> is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The
>> majority appear to be in Lagoa.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>>
>>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois
>>> (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e
>>> Isabel? ?--top.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-18 Thread mances
Sandra,
I descend from Ana Fragoso the daughter of Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de 
Revoredo. She married Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632 
and died in Rosário da Lagoa on 27 dec 1690.

Manoel

Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 16:50:22 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>
> Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother).  Who do you 
> descend from?  
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances > 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my 
>> ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da 
>> Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100.
>>
>> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>>
>>
>> Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
>>>
>>> I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do 
>>> know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that 
>>> record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it 
>>> is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The 
>>> majority appear to be in Lagoa.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:

 Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida Rois 
 (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? Fragoso e 
 Isabel? ?--top.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-18 Thread Sandra Perez
Manoel, I just found the marriage of Dionsio Fragoso and Catarina de
Revoredo.  Can you help me with the witnesses? 3rd from top.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610_item1/P100.html

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:41 PM, mances  wrote:

> Sandra,
> I descend from Ana Fragoso the daughter of Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina
> de Revoredo. She married Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632
> and died in Rosário da Lagoa on 27 dec 1690.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 16:50:22 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
> escreveu:
>>
>> Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother).  Who do you
>> descend from?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances  wrote:
>>
>>> I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my
>>> ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da
>>> Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100.
>>>
>>> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>>>
>>>
>>> Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu:

 I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do
 know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that
 record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it
 is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. The
 majority appear to be in Lagoa.

 JR

 On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida
> Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? 
> Fragoso
> e Isabel? ?--top.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: abbreviation Fernandez or Gonzalez

2016-04-18 Thread Philippe GARNIER
Maria,

J'ai recherché dans ma base de données. Bien que cela soit un peu 
différent, il existe deux noms qui ressemblent un peu au nom après 
Fernandes : Brioso e Bravo. Mais, c'est peut-être un nickname, as you said.

Abraços

Philippe
Le jeudi 7 avril 2016 15:05:20 UTC+2, Maria a écrit :
>
>
> Top right hand 4th line from bottom- 
>
> The abbreviations for Fernandez and Gonzales seem so similar to me 
>
>  Is Maria Martins father named Andre FERNANDEZ RAPOZO?  I know the mother 
> is Maria Goncalvez.   The Fernandez abbreviation does look different but 
> not sure.  I found this name on Family Search but it said Fernandez.  But 
> then, they didn't enter the name Rapozo either.Is is Rapozo after the 
> name Fernandez? 
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681_item1/P65.html
>  
>
>
>
> Maria Elena

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: abbreviation Fernandez or Gonzalez

2016-04-18 Thread Maria Lima
Philippe, merci for your researching in yr data base.  D'acord, c'est un 
nickname.  Merci. 

Maria Elena 

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Philippe GARNIER  
> wrote:
> 
> Maria,
> 
> J'ai recherché dans ma base de données. Bien que cela soit un peu différent, 
> il existe deux noms qui ressemblent un peu au nom après Fernandes : Brioso e 
> Bravo. Mais, c'est peut-être un nickname, as you said.
> 
> Abraços
> 
> Philippe
> Le jeudi 7 avril 2016 15:05:20 UTC+2, Maria a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> Top right hand 4th line from bottom- 
>> 
>> The abbreviations for Fernandez and Gonzales seem so similar to me 
>> 
>>  Is Maria Martins father named Andre FERNANDEZ RAPOZO?  I know the mother is 
>> Maria Goncalvez.   The Fernandez abbreviation does look different but not 
>> sure.  I found this name on Family Search but it said Fernandez.  But then, 
>> they didn't enter the name Rapozo either.Is is Rapozo after the name 
>> Fernandez? 
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1551-1681_item1/P65.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage Pedro Fernandes & Catarina Lopes?

2016-04-18 Thread mances
Hard to read, but here I go:
Francisco ...?  Moniz, Manuel Pereira, Matias Carreiro, Miguel Carreiro, 
Apolinário da Costa, Clemente? Roiz.

Manoel


Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 18:18:08 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>
> Manoel, I just found the marriage of Dionsio Fragoso and Catarina de 
> Revoredo.  Can you help me with the witnesses? 3rd from top.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610_item1/P100.html
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:41 PM, mances > 
> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>> I descend from Ana Fragoso the daughter of Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina 
>> de Revoredo. She married Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632 
>> and died in Rosário da Lagoa on 27 dec 1690.
>>
>> Manoel
>>
>> Em segunda-feira, 18 de abril de 2016 16:50:22 UTC-3, Sandra Perez 
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Manoel, I descend from Catarina Lopes (9th g-grandmother).  Who do you 
>>> descend from?  
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:23 AM, mances  wrote:
>>>
 I think that Dionísio Fragoso who married Isabel Lopes is the son of my 
 ancestors Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da 
 Lagoa on 20 sep 1593 - CCA #100.

 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em domingo, 17 de abril de 2016 09:40:39 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
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> I don't think you missed anything, it's just a difficult record. I do 
> know that Isabel is Isabel Lopes, but certainly not from reading that 
> record! I believe all these Fragosos appear to be related. But proving it 
> is another matter. I think Manuel and Margaret have Fragoso ancestors. 
> The 
> majority appear to be in Lagoa.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> Found: Nov or Dec 1665 Pedro Fernandes fo ? Fernandes? e Margarida 
>> Rois (deceased) nal NS Rosario Rois married Catharina ? fa Denisio? 
>> Fragoso 
>> e Isabel? ?--top.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1656-1676_item1/P26.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Pimentel, B Jan 2 1813, Ribeira Do Barqueiro Flores

2016-04-18 Thread luiznoia .
Mary,

Here is the Lomba obito for, Maria da Trindae, the wife of Jose Pimentel
Queiro

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1876-1890/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1876-1890_item1/P80.html

This may  help to get a positive identification on your mystery man by her
parents.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
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> Hi friends - I found an article about Jose Pimentel on another board, but
> it may be a clue to something I've been trying to sort out.  I have a
> mysterious "Sebastiao Jose Queiro Pimentel" (b ~1813, d 1892 Lomba, Flores)
> in my tree, but have not found his birth or many others with the name
> Quiero.  I do know he died 1892 in Lomba, I have that Obito.  Now I'm
> wondering if he is somehow related to a Pimentel from Ribeira Do Bar
> *queiro*, and that how Queiro became part of his name?  Just a thought.
> I had not previously searched the Frequesia of Santa Cruz believing my
> Sebastiao came from the southern part of the island.
>
> So the article lead me to Jose Pimentel, born 1813 in Ribeira Do
> Barqueiro, Flores, and I "think" I've found his baptismo.  Could someone
> help me with the translation - it's one of those "hard to read" ones
> (ugh).  I'm not even sure I am in the right year on this one...
>
> It's the 4th one down on the left page:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P123.html
>
> I see:
>
> Jose, son of Jose Manuel Pimentel ? and Maria ?
>
> (are they from this frequesia or somewhere else?)
>
> Paternos Antonio Jose Pimentel B?? and Maria ? Furtado?
>
> Maternos  ??? and Maria Freitas?
>
> Padrinho Jose ?? and his wife Antonia Jose e Maria ??
>
> Born..at this point I see a lot of numbers written out but can't make them
> out, so I'm not sure what it is saying.
>
>
> Thanks for any help you have time to give.
>
>
> Mary
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