[AZORES-Genealogy] x-match

2016-07-31 Thread Tish M
Is the x-match column in the ftDNA family finders of any significance? If
so, how is it used?
Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

2016-07-31 Thread Sandra Perez
Well, thank you, Rick.  I learned something new today.  I was very close!

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *The name is Souto which is a name listed in Guill. My dad’s best friend
> growing up was a Souto.  If the first letter were a C it would be open to
> the other side. Sometimes it helps by looking at records before and after
> the record to make comparisons to better understand the way a writer wrote
> his letters. *
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Sean Andrade
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:28 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 5:09:43 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
>  I see Mathias do Couto/Souto.  Look at the padrinho: Mathias do
> Couto/Souto and the line below that.  Again, Mathias do (the "o" before
>
> Couto/Souto is clear).  Do Souto does not make sense to me just because I
> have not seen that name before.  Others may have. The Preist may have
>
> made a mistake and wrote the padrinho's name.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Sean Andrade 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> For the Second baptism on the right page for Antonio:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html
>
>
>
> They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write
> Jose Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have
> been done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was
> crossed out.
>
>
>
> The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of
> the entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very
> confused.
>
>
>
> My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de Serpa,
> but I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it is, but
> I have come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus the
> entries this far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are
> damaged so I haven't been able to find anything else that would contradict
> it.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

2016-07-31 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
The name is Souto which is a name listed in Guill. My dad’s best friend growing 
up was a Souto.  If the first letter were a C it would be open to the other 
side. Sometimes it helps by looking at records before and after the record to 
make comparisons to better understand the way a writer wrote his letters. 

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sean Andrade
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:28 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

 

Thanks for the help!

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 5:09:43 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:

Sean,

 I see Mathias do Couto/Souto.  Look at the padrinho: Mathias do Couto/Souto 
and the line below that.  Again, Mathias do (the "o" before 

Couto/Souto is clear).  Do Souto does not make sense to me just because I have 
not seen that name before.  Others may have. The Preist may have

made a mistake and wrote the padrinho's name.

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:

Hi,

 

For the Second baptism on the right page for Antonio: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html

 

They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write Jose 
Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have been 
done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was crossed 
out.

 

The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of the 
entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very confused.

 

My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de Serpa, but 
I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it is, but I have 
come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus the entries this 
far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are damaged so I haven't 
been able to find anything else that would contradict it.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-31 Thread Shirley Allegre
I have him born in Spain.
Shirley in CA
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  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:26 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts 
of Benavente


  There is a discrepancy as to where he was born.  Was he born in Portugal or 
Baesa, Galiza Spain?

  On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote:
João Afonso (de Pimentel) “das Grotas Fundas
Died 2 Sept 1512

NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew 
Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited.

NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas 
Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor does 
he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of Benevente.  
This claim is made by his grandson  João Afonso, o Moço, of Faial da Terra, 
where he died on 16.4.1577.  On the cover of his will, in an old script, it 
says that the said  João Afonso, o Moço descendes from the Condes de Benavente 
of Castile.  


BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São 
Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in the 
last quarter of the 15th century" [Familias Antigas da Povoação]. (It was also 
suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century [James Guill]. "He 
settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São Miguel, where he 
had a large family and house, by which he became well-known on the island as 
João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The origin of this João Afonso is 
wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his 5th grandson [through a daughter of 
João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado Leite, outlined his ancestry in a letter in 
which he wrote that his mother was descended from João Afonso who, in turn, was 
the descendant of the Counts of Benavente, of Spain. In truth, there are some 
nobiliaries that refer to a son of the third Count of Benavente (there is a 
perfect coincidence of dates), of the name João Afonso, who left Spain, and 
disappears from history. The third Count of Benavente, Alonso de Pimentel, also 
known as the Count of Mayorga, was married to Dona Maria de Quinones y Toledo. 
The subsequent nobiliaries referred to their son João Afonso de Pimentel 
[Familias]." No further details are given in Genealogia de los Condes y Duques 
de Benavente (at the Madrid Library), however. [J. Guill] This son would have 
been 60 to 70 years old when João Afonso das Grotas Fundas made his will, His  
great-grea-greatr grandson, Father Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, 
says that his 4th grandfather, João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a 
Count and exiled himself to S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. 


"The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the 
Iberian peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at the 
juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of Leon, 
Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [Familias]."

One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to 
benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de 
Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area where 
João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do Piedade, 
thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das Grotas Fundas 
and the Counts of Benavente. [Familias.]



It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 
moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of Gaspar 
de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the residents of that 
town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's population was growing too 
large to sustain itself on the number of wells then available) [Alverne].

João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest 
settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. (It 
was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to Grotas 
Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a motive to flee 
to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May 1511. In it he made 
his oldest son, João Afonso, and his son's wife, Catarina Manuel, the executors 
and ordered that a third of his lands be set aside to produce a benefit of 
10,000 reis [system of money later replaced by cruzeiros] for the purpose of 
having three masses said one week a year in perpetuity; the first on Monday for 
his faith in God to be a blessing on his soul; the second on Saturday in honor 
of the Peace of Christ and the last one on Saturday in honor of "Nossa Senhora" 
with all her prayers [Vida].

[Alverne]  Chronicas da Provincia de São João Evangeli

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Antonio Jose Brasil and Marianna de Jesus, Sao Mateus, Terciera

2016-07-31 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci
Lee, it is native of Vila Nova da Topo, the Ilha da Sao Jorge. As Cheri
stated, look in Topo, Sao Jorge.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Lee  wrote:

> I've found this record earlier and have come back to it again.
>
> Left side
>
> I need a just a small amount of help with Antonio's parents, Jose Antonio
> Brasil and Izabel do Sao Jose.
>
> In the record after their names I can see the following:
>
> nat? da Va? nova do Topo da Ilha des. Jorge com Marianna  do Jesus.
>
> My question, is this stating that they are from/living on Sao Jorge?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1808-1831/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1808-1831_item1/P42.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Lee
> Oak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

2016-07-31 Thread Sean Andrade
Thanks for the help!

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 5:09:43 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
>  I see Mathias do Couto/Souto.  Look at the padrinho: Mathias do 
> Couto/Souto and the line below that.  Again, Mathias do (the "o" before 
> Couto/Souto is clear).  Do Souto does not make sense to me just because I 
> have not seen that name before.  Others may have. The Preist may have
> made a mistake and wrote the padrinho's name.
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For the Second baptism on the right page for Antonio: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html
>>
>> They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write 
>> Jose Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have 
>> been done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was 
>> crossed out.
>>
>> The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of 
>> the entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very 
>> confused.
>>
>> My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de 
>> Serpa, but I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it 
>> is, but I have come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus 
>> the entries this far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are 
>> damaged so I haven't been able to find anything else that would contradict 
>> it.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

2016-07-31 Thread Sandra Perez
Sean,

 I see Mathias do Couto/Souto.  Look at the padrinho: Mathias do
Couto/Souto and the line below that.  Again, Mathias do (the "o" before
Couto/Souto is clear).  Do Souto does not make sense to me just because I
have not seen that name before.  Others may have. The Preist may have
made a mistake and wrote the padrinho's name.

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Sean Andrade 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For the Second baptism on the right page for Antonio:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html
>
> They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write
> Jose Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have
> been done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was
> crossed out.
>
> The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of
> the entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very
> confused.
>
> My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de Serpa,
> but I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it is, but
> I have come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus the
> entries this far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are
> damaged so I haven't been able to find anything else that would contradict
> it.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

2016-07-31 Thread Cheri Mello
The cross out looks like Mathias Ponte? Couto? Later in the document this
name appears. So the priest messed up. Usually they don't cross out like
that. Too much vinho! LOL

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

2016-07-31 Thread Sean Andrade
Hi,

For the Second baptism on the right page for 
Antonio: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html

They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write 
Jose Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have 
been done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was 
crossed out.

The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of the 
entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very confused.

My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de Serpa, 
but I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it is, but 
I have come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus the 
entries this far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are 
damaged so I haven't been able to find anything else that would contradict 
it.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Antonio Jose Brasil and Marianna de Jesus, Sao Mateus, Terciera

2016-07-31 Thread Cheri Mello
Natives of the Vila of Topo on the island of Sao Jorge. Go look in Topo. :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Antonio Jose Brasil and Marianna de Jesus, Sao Mateus, Terciera

2016-07-31 Thread Sandra Perez
Lee, natural--where they are from.  I am not familiar the Ilha Sao Jorge,
but I believe that would be Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Topo, Sao Jorge.

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Lee  wrote:

> I've found this record earlier and have come back to it again.
>
> Left side
>
> I need a just a small amount of help with Antonio's parents, Jose Antonio
> Brasil and Izabel do Sao Jose.
>
> In the record after their names I can see the following:
>
> nat? da Va? nova do Topo da Ilha des. Jorge com Marianna  do Jesus.
>
> My question, is this stating that they are from/living on Sao Jorge?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1808-1831/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1808-1831_item1/P42.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Lee
> Oak Hill WV
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Antonio Jose Brasil and Marianna de Jesus, Sao Mateus, Terciera

2016-07-31 Thread Lee
I've found this record earlier and have come back to it again.  

Left side

I need a just a small amount of help with Antonio's parents, Jose Antonio 
Brasil and Izabel do Sao Jose.

In the record after their names I can see the following:

nat? da Va? nova do Topo da Ilha des. Jorge com Marianna  do Jesus.

My question, is this stating that they are from/living on Sao Jorge?  

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1808-1831/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1808-1831_item1/P42.html

Thank you.

Lee
Oak Hill WV

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel de Sousa Ferreira and Luzia de FARIA

2016-07-31 Thread Sandra Perez
Does anyone have this couple?  Manoel (nal Rosto de Cao) and Luzia (second
wife?) had at least 5 children in Rabo de Peixe, RG: Maria 1683, Barbara
1684, Manoel 1686, Miguel 1698 & Ursula 1690.

I cannot find their marriage in Rabo de Peixe or Rosta de Cao, Sao Roque or
Sao Jose PD. I believe Manoel is the son of Francisco Glz de Sousa and
Beatriz Ferreira who married in Sao Jose--no parents listed.  They had four
children in Sao Roque.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Gonzales Pinheiro y Catarina de Abreu (Nordeste)

2016-07-31 Thread Cheri Mello
Jose,

Gonzales is Spanish and Goncalves is Portuguese.

The records you seek do not go back that far. They are online here:
http://tombo.pt/f/nrd04

Sorry, it sounds like you have an end of the line ancestor.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Gonzales Pinheiro y Catarina de Abreu (Nordeste)

2016-07-31 Thread José Antonio González Marrero
Hi,
I am in this group. I come from Canary Islands and some of my ancestors arrived 
to Tenerife from São Miguel and Terceira. I'd like to ask you for a couple from 
Nordeste: They were called Francisco Gonzales Pinheiro and Catarina de Abreu. 
Their son was João Gonzales Pinheiro, who married to Isabel Afonso. I don't 
know if they married in Nordeste or in Tenerife.
I think João arrived to Tenerife between 1520 and 1530.
If someone could help me, I'll be very grateful. 
I am in São Miguel for a few days and I could go where you say me.
Thanks a lot.
Best regards

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-31 Thread Cheri Mello
I don't know who Paul is or why he is mentioned on this thread about Joao
Afonso.

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and then other tests can be ordered later.
Cheri

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